Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Does a word make a thing? Does the word 'bullet' make it lethal? A bullet kills a bear, as well as a man, and a bear needs not to say 'bullet " in order to die. A word doesn't give color, hardness, softness, or form. A word give to things remoteness, mental distance, separation, it makes them prominent, static, and alien. Language doesn't create the world, it separates us from it, emotionally, it's an affective alienation, which, always leave us hungry. Since I have transcended words, and alienation: a cloud gives me as much feeling as my arm. And yet, a cloud is not the same as a rock, as my nose is not the same as my arm. And yet, all are felt not distant, not separate, but close, intimate, mine. So, in a way, there are blue lakes and clouds beyond words, but not in a fixed conceptual way. Lakes are always exhaling clouds, and clouds, well, they urinate lakes. But when it comes to soul, God, Self, and all other abstractions, there are no such things beyond words. So, while a dog exist, existence as a concept does not beyond the word. And mystics create a mystical universe of lofty words about their fine feelings and mental states, which they lure others to replicate in vain . What good does it do, all your lyric musings, how does that lead to liberation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > Does a word make a thing? > Does the word 'bullet' make it lethal? > A bullet kills a bear, as well as a man, > and a bear needs not to say 'bullet " in order to die. > > A word doesn't give color, hardness, softness, or form. > A word give to things remoteness, mental distance, > separation, it makes them prominent, static, and alien. > > Language doesn't create the world, it separates us > from it, emotionally, it's an affective alienation, which, > always leave us hungry. Since I have transcended > words, and alienation: a cloud gives me as much feeling > as my arm. And yet, a cloud is not the same as a rock, > as my nose is not the same as my arm. And yet, all are > felt not distant, not separate, but close, intimate, mine. > > So, in a way, there are blue lakes and clouds beyond > words, but not in a fixed conceptual way. Lakes are always > exhaling clouds, and clouds, well, they urinate lakes. > > But when it comes to soul, God, Self, and all other > abstractions, there are no such things beyond words. > So, while a dog exist, existence as a concept does not > beyond the word. And mystics create a mystical universe > of lofty words about their fine feelings and mental states, > which they lure others to replicate in vain . > > What good does it do, all your lyric musings, how does that > lead to liberation? > a transparent mind is the true key (it does not lead you anywhere) but a mind that is not transparent is the false key (it leads you everywhere) ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > Does a word make a thing? > > Does the word 'bullet' make it lethal? > > A bullet kills a bear, as well as a man, > > and a bear needs not to say 'bullet " in order to die. > > > > A word doesn't give color, hardness, softness, or form. > > A word give to things remoteness, mental distance, > > separation, it makes them prominent, static, and alien. > > > > Language doesn't create the world, it separates us > > from it, emotionally, it's an affective alienation, which, > > always leave us hungry. Since I have transcended > > words, and alienation: a cloud gives me as much feeling > > as my arm. And yet, a cloud is not the same as a rock, > > as my nose is not the same as my arm. And yet, all are > > felt not distant, not separate, but close, intimate, mine. > > > > So, in a way, there are blue lakes and clouds beyond > > words, but not in a fixed conceptual way. Lakes are always > > exhaling clouds, and clouds, well, they urinate lakes. > > > > But when it comes to soul, God, Self, and all other > > abstractions, there are no such things beyond words. > > So, while a dog exist, existence as a concept does not > > beyond the word. And mystics create a mystical universe > > of lofty words about their fine feelings and mental states, > > which they lure others to replicate in vain . > > > > What good does it do, all your lyric musings, how does that > > lead to liberation? > > > a transparent mind is the true key > (it does not lead you anywhere) > but a mind that is not transparent is the false key > (it leads you everywhere) > ...iietsa > Absolutely. Some would say, no mind. Others, don't mind. Minding the mind ain't trans parent see, either. ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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