Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 In a message dated 6/20/2006 9:15:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pliantheart writes: > > > If something is " bothering us " then it is > something that repeats. Of something that > occurs only once we do not say that it is > *bothering* us. > > And if it is something that repeats then it > is conditioning. It is a " program " that is > playing over and over again. In that it is > triggering our actual feelings as part of its > routine it seems *real* to us. But how real > can it be when it is a program playing over > and over? > > > > Bill > > > L.E: Did you ever hear a stuck record that just repeats the same song or > phrase over and over? How real can that be? And it doesn't take long to bother > you enought to shut it off. But when this happens internally, it is not > conditioning or a program. Before 1920 both of these words had not yet been > invented. When this happens it doesn't seem to be YOU that is doing the repeating, it seems to be happening within you, specifically, in your mind, which resides in the electrical neural net of the brain. Since thinking is an electrical phenomenon, it is not surpising that a circuit, or pattern will sometimes connect is a circular loop and repeat. This may be experienced as " bothering " or annoying internally just as grass blower my " bother " externally, so to speak. It is just a temporary abberation in most of us, and goes away as the nervous system sorts it out and repairs itself. But again, it is not real in an essential sense, just as thinking is not real in an essential sense, nor is the ego/self real in an essential sense. The only thing that is real in an essential sense is Life Itself, the Infinite Universe or the Empty Space of Nothingness out of which all this arises. But that's another story. p.s. Anyhow, thanks for presenting this topic for consideration, and if my response pricks at your mind like a needle, and you think I am being unkind or ridiculing you in any way, or have any complaint about my method or style of consideration, be sure to complain and make you objections known. And if you'd rather not have me on this list, be sure to cast your vote at voting time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 If something is " bothering us " then it is something that repeats. Of something that occurs only once we do not say that it is *bothering* us. And if it is something that repeats then it is conditioning. It is a " program " that is playing over and over again. In that it is triggering our actual feelings as part of its routine it seems *real* to us. But how real can it be when it is a program playing over and over? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > > > If something is " bothering us " then it is > something that repeats. Of something that > occurs only once we do not say that it is > *bothering* us. > > And if it is something that repeats then it > is conditioning. It is a " program " that is > playing over and over again. In that it is > triggering our actual feelings as part of its > routine it seems *real* to us. But how real > can it be when it is a program playing over > and over? > > > > Bill > Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. On the other hand, just about anything can be called a program, since by the mere fact that it has an identity, it is engaging pattern recognition, by definition, a repetition. My belief is that we are what we attend to. Attend to bother, you become bother. Attend to bliss, become bliss. Who chooses which? No pattern, no identity. ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > If something is " bothering us " then it is > > something that repeats. Of something that > > occurs only once we do not say that it is > > *bothering* us. > > > > And if it is something that repeats then it > > is conditioning. It is a " program " that is > > playing over and over again. In that it is > > triggering our actual feelings as part of its > > routine it seems *real* to us. But how real > > can it be when it is a program playing over > > and over? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. On the other hand, just > about anything can be called a program, since by the mere fact that it > has an identity, it is engaging pattern recognition, by definition, a > repetition. Anything that can be " called a thing " ... anything that we separate out as something to refer to... yes, you are right, is a program in some sense... though something that presses us repeatedly is a program in a more significant, and perhaps I should say pathological way, than looking into a tree and thinking, " Oh, there's a bluejay. " But do note that there is not *always* something being separated out as what is going on now, sometimes there isn't " any thing " ... Bill > > My belief is that we are what we attend to. Attend to bother, you > become bother. Attend to bliss, become bliss. > > Who chooses which? No pattern, no identity. > > ~*~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If something is " bothering us " then it is > > > something that repeats. Of something that > > > occurs only once we do not say that it is > > > *bothering* us. > > > > > > And if it is something that repeats then it > > > is conditioning. It is a " program " that is > > > playing over and over again. In that it is > > > triggering our actual feelings as part of its > > > routine it seems *real* to us. But how real > > > can it be when it is a program playing over > > > and over? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. On the other hand, just > > about anything can be called a program, since by the mere fact that it > > has an identity, it is engaging pattern recognition, by definition, a > > repetition. > > Anything that can be " called a thing " ... anything that > we separate out as something to refer to... yes, you are > right, is a program in some sense... > > though something that presses us repeatedly is a program > in a more significant, and perhaps I should say pathological > way, than looking into a tree and thinking, " Oh, there's a > bluejay. " > > But do note that there is not *always* something being > separated out as what is going on now, sometimes there > isn't " any thing " ... > > Bill > > > > > > My belief is that we are what we attend to. Attend to bother, you > > become bother. Attend to bliss, become bliss. > > > > Who chooses which? No pattern, no identity. > > > > ~*~ > > > Mais oui! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If something is " bothering us " then it is > > > > something that repeats. Of something that > > > > occurs only once we do not say that it is > > > > *bothering* us. > > > > > > > > And if it is something that repeats then it > > > > is conditioning. It is a " program " that is > > > > playing over and over again. In that it is > > > > triggering our actual feelings as part of its > > > > routine it seems *real* to us. But how real > > > > can it be when it is a program playing over > > > > and over? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. On the other hand, just > > > about anything can be called a program, since by the mere fact that it > > > has an identity, it is engaging pattern recognition, by definition, a > > > repetition. > > > > Anything that can be " called a thing " ... anything that > > we separate out as something to refer to... yes, you are > > right, is a program in some sense... > > > > though something that presses us repeatedly is a program > > in a more significant, and perhaps I should say pathological > > way, than looking into a tree and thinking, " Oh, there's a > > bluejay. " > > > > But do note that there is not *always* something being > > separated out as what is going on now, sometimes there > > isn't " any thing " ... > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > My belief is that we are what we attend to. Attend to bother, you > > > become bother. Attend to bliss, become bliss. > > > > > > Who chooses which? No pattern, no identity. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > Mais oui! could you translate the please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If something is " bothering us " then it is > > > > > something that repeats. Of something that > > > > > occurs only once we do not say that it is > > > > > *bothering* us. > > > > > > > > > > And if it is something that repeats then it > > > > > is conditioning. It is a " program " that is > > > > > playing over and over again. In that it is > > > > > triggering our actual feelings as part of its > > > > > routine it seems *real* to us. But how real > > > > > can it be when it is a program playing over > > > > > and over? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. On the other hand, just > > > > about anything can be called a program, since by the mere fact > that it > > > > has an identity, it is engaging pattern recognition, by > definition, a > > > > repetition. > > > > > > Anything that can be " called a thing " ... anything that > > > we separate out as something to refer to... yes, you are > > > right, is a program in some sense... > > > > > > though something that presses us repeatedly is a program > > > in a more significant, and perhaps I should say pathological > > > way, than looking into a tree and thinking, " Oh, there's a > > > bluejay. " > > > > > > But do note that there is not *always* something being > > > separated out as what is going on now, sometimes there > > > isn't " any thing " ... > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My belief is that we are what we attend to. Attend to bother, you > > > > become bother. Attend to bliss, become bliss. > > > > > > > > Who chooses which? No pattern, no identity. > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mais oui! > > could you translate the please? > That's French for " but ofcourse! " I'm using French in order bring the energy to another level. I might add, " Vive la diférence, " meaning not just sexual, but all difference, ultimately as pointing to the identity, or identicality of opposites: Opposition as cooperation, separation as union, etc. Everything as nothing. (Cf. Hegel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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