Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Paul wrote: > Paul: Pete, > Yes, I was there and I have seen him before. P: Why did you go again? > Paul: The broadcast was just a small part of the > total dialogue. P: It lasted 30 minutes. They didn't include his talk, but they had time for two rather silly songs, I must conclude his speech most have been unremarkable, since they wasted 7 minutes with music. Renz appearance is also unremarkable. If he had been sitting in the audience I'd not have noticed him. The questions and answers chosen were also the usual. His Answers in a nutshell: There is no thing to get. You have it already. There is no thing you can do. There is no thing you have to stop doing, either. You have always been there, it's your nature, and you can't get rid of it. It's the same neo adviata song and dance, you and I have heard before. He seems like a very nice pleasant fellow, but so are you, so why wasn't it you who was on that platform talking? > Paul: The editing was done under constraints > of time. If the editing reflected the best he had to say, I'm glad it was only 23 minutes of Q & A. > Paul: I think he answers from, as he was introduced, > the absence of absence. P: What does that mean to you? > Paul: His answers, to me, seem to get > to the most essential point of the questioners questions. > In responding to different people he gets beyond their > personal concepts and ideas as expressed in their > questions. In doing so he, in my opinion, is an effective > pointer. That is it, briefly. > What about your impressions? P: Well, as I said above, I was not impressed. Did you ask any questions, did you talk to him afterward. Would you see him again? Have you read his book? I'm hard to please, I know. > > - > " Pete S " <pedsie5 > <advaitatozen >; " Paul " <thenewzone1787456 > Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:00 AM > Encounter With Karl Renz > > >> Paul I saw you sitting among the audience- >> Maybe 20 people. What were >> your impressions of the satsang? >> >> Pete >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 In a message dated 6/21/2006 9:09:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie5 writes: > P: No, don't get me wrong, as a gururater, I'm always interested in > hearing a new guru who is able to travel the world free of charge > by repeating the same old. So I'm very grateful you brought it to my > attention. Thanks. L.E: Are you skeptical!!! Same old, same old just may be true old, true old. Why should the truth of things take on new forms just for your amusement and entertainment? I agree with what he says, which in the ordinary world is quite extraordinary. The only thing he leaves out is the ability of choice. The universe can choose, life can choose, and I can choose. In the moment, choice exists. That's the addition I make. And it includes your creativity and poetry and writing as well, so just continue and enjoy, when you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:09 PM, Paul wrote: > > - > " Pete S " <pedsie5 > " Paul " <thenewzone1787456; <advaitatozen >; > <Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:22 PM > Re: Encounter With Karl Renz > > >> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Paul wrote: >> >>> Paul: Pete, >>> Yes, I was there and I have seen him before. >> >> P: Why did you go again? > > Paul: To hear him again. I like hearing what he has to say. > >>> Paul: The broadcast was just a small part of the >>> total dialogue. >> >> P: It lasted 30 minutes. They didn't include his >> talk, but they had time for two rather silly songs, >> I must conclude his speech most have been unremarkable, >> since they wasted 7 minutes with music. >> Renz appearance is also unremarkable. >> If he had been sitting in the audience I'd not have noticed >> him. The questions and answers chosen were also the usual. > > Paul: I don't think he did talk before the questions even though > he was introduced that way. I believe he made the choce to open it up > to > questions. > I think Wah and her band was there as a condition of the grant to > produce > the > show. I also think her inclusion into the produced program was at the > descretion > of the producers of the program. > Not everyone has the same taste in music. > Renz does not have a remarkable appearance. He looks like and ordinary > person. > What were you expecting him to look like? P: Well, maybe I'm prejudiced. I had the good fortune to meet a few remarkable people, people who didn't need words to teach. The first one was my algebra tutor. He was a very short, thin man, with a large bald head. At fifteen, I was a head taller than him, but he had a towering presence. He was a catholic, and people rumored he was a saint. He looked a bit like Osho with those bulging eyes. The moment I saw him, I noticed he had an eerie calm around him, which was like a gravitational force. At fifteen, I didn't specially valued calmness. Anyway, he never mentioned God or Christ, but he made me want that immense peace and composure he had. I certainly, didn't want to become a Catholic, but I wanted to feel the immensity that I sensed he felt. > Paul: The questions are always the usual. There is only one > question phrased many differnt ways. > >> P: His Answers in a nutshell: >> There is no thing to get. >> You have it already. >> There is no thing you can do. >> There is no thing you have to stop doing, either. >> You have always been there, it's your nature, >> and you can't get rid of it. > > Paul: Maybe in a nutshell, but he says it in a muich more interesting > way. > >> P: It's the same neo adviata song and dance, you >> and I have heard before. He seems like a very >> nice pleasant fellow, but so are you, so why >> wasn't it you who was on that platform talking? > > Paul: Speak for yourself please. If you have heard it before and > do not care to hear it again, I am sorry. With TV you can always turn > it > off. P: No, don't get me wrong, as a gururater, I'm always interested in hearing a new guru who is able to travel the world free of charge by repeating the same old. So I'm very grateful you brought it to my attention. Thanks. > Paul: I wasn't there because he was is the short answer. > You too qualify, why wern't you on that platform talking? P: True! I meant it as a compliment. I found what you had to say more interesting. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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