Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kailashana writes: > It seems Larry does not realize how he provokes others and that's > why he's moderated. Although I approve nearly half of his messages > with leniency I'm not sure if this is working. I'm asking the group > members to practice restraint if you feel the need to engage > him...of course you can always play nice with him. > > > L.E: I wonder what hur means when he says, " I'm not sure if this is working? " Is he, are you, trying to teach me something that you know, and I don't? Does the group, do all of you, need his advice on how to behave in relation to me? Mostly, I like to comment on what others are saying, but I also write my own statements and invite dialogue. I find the back and forth of list conversation usually trivial and empty so I don't join in. Is that some kind of a problem? Not following some unwritten rules of etiquette? Mostly, I feel like I am writing to and for myself, and make copies of my statements and comments. I enjoy this. It's like making art and saving my pictures. I have no problem being who and what I am. I am at ease and at peace within, and am not looking for any truth or ultimate knowledge outside of myself. And as far as lessons from kindergarten, I spend many hours with kindergarten students and let me tell you, most don't learn these lessons, and some of you haven't learned them either. I send my messages out to individuals as well as posting them on the list, and I always send a copy to myself, so hur, you have no power to play over me. If you have the time to play your little power trip, enjoy yourself. I send my art, music, poetry and messages to many so censor what you want, and post the rest. I don't mind at all. I don't sense that anyone is " provoked " by my writing or thinking, but if you are, that's all to the good isn't it? Are you trying to protect members from me? Do you want everyone to agree with you all the time? Are you looking for approval and feel you have to give compliments to be liked? I don't use obscene nasty and crude words like Bob Nixon did, or Silver. I come from my feelings, and give honest responses. If that's not O.K., to bad for you. Suffer. You may learn something. Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > If you have the time to play your little power > trip, enjoy yourself. Larry, how can you do this to me after all I have done for you, put up with your dramatic emails and posts? You've come to the end of your rope. You're now ready for Judy's ranch. Goodbye. ps. Please don't send me any more emails. In the life of this group you have sent me more emails than all the members combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > kailashana writes: > > > It seems Larry does not realize how he provokes others and that's > > why he's moderated. Although I approve nearly half of his messages > > with leniency I'm not sure if this is working. I'm asking the group > > members to practice restraint if you feel the need to engage > > him...of course you can always play nice with him. > > > > > > L.E: I wonder what hur means when he says, " I'm not sure if this is working? " > Is he, are you, trying to teach me something that you know, and I don't? > Does the group, do all of you, need his advice on how to behave in relation to > me? Mostly, I like to comment on what others are saying, but I also write my > own statements and invite dialogue. > I find the back and forth of list conversation usually trivial and empty so I > don't join in. Is that some kind of a problem? Not following some unwritten > rules of etiquette? > Mostly, I feel like I am writing to and for myself, and make copies of my > statements and comments. I enjoy this. It's like making art and saving my > pictures. I have no problem being who and what I am. I am at ease and at peace > within, and am not looking for any truth or ultimate knowledge outside of myself. > And as far as lessons from kindergarten, I spend many hours with kindergarten > students and let me tell you, most don't learn these lessons, and some of you > haven't learned them either. I send my messages out to individuals as well > as posting them on the list, and I always send a copy to myself, so hur, you > have no power to play over me. If you have the time to play your little power > trip, enjoy yourself. I send my art, music, poetry and messages to many so > censor what you want, and post the rest. I don't mind at all. I don't sense that > anyone is " provoked " by my writing or thinking, but if you are, that's all to > the good isn't it? Are you trying to protect members from me? > Do you want everyone to agree with you all the time? Are you looking for > approval and feel you have to give compliments to be liked? I don't use obscene > nasty and crude words like Bob Nixon did, or Silver. I come from my feelings, > and give honest responses. If that's not O.K., to bad for you. Suffer. You > may learn something. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > Your posting patterns on this list became such an issue that Hur finally put you on moderation. That in itself says something huge, as Hur is *very reluctant* to put anyone on moderation. Many list members, myself included, have given you specific feedback as to why they have found various of your postings offensive. You haven't wanted to hear that. You are apparently simply unable to hear about how your words have or might have a negative impact upon others. That is a very serious limitation. And so long as that is the case the potential for you to meaningfully communicate on a list such as this is zilch. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 I agree with Bill. :-) Silver Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > kailashana@ writes: > > > > > It seems Larry does not realize how he provokes others and that's > > > why he's moderated. Although I approve nearly half of his messages > > > with leniency I'm not sure if this is working. I'm asking the group > > > members to practice restraint if you feel the need to engage > > > him...of course you can always play nice with him. > > > > > > > > > L.E: I wonder what hur means when he says, " I'm not sure if this is > working? " > > Is he, are you, trying to teach me something that you know, and I > don't? > > Does the group, do all of you, need his advice on how to behave in > relation to > > me? Mostly, I like to comment on what others are saying, but I also > write my > > own statements and invite dialogue. > > I find the back and forth of list conversation usually trivial and > empty so I > > don't join in. Is that some kind of a problem? Not following some > unwritten > > rules of etiquette? > > Mostly, I feel like I am writing to and for myself, and make copies > of my > > statements and comments. I enjoy this. It's like making art and > saving my > > pictures. I have no problem being who and what I am. I am at ease > and at peace > > within, and am not looking for any truth or ultimate knowledge > outside of myself. > > And as far as lessons from kindergarten, I spend many hours with > kindergarten > > students and let me tell you, most don't learn these lessons, and > some of you > > haven't learned them either. I send my messages out to individuals > as well > > as posting them on the list, and I always send a copy to myself, so > hur, you > > have no power to play over me. If you have the time to play your > little power > > trip, enjoy yourself. I send my art, music, poetry and messages to > many so > > censor what you want, and post the rest. I don't mind at all. I > don't sense that > > anyone is " provoked " by my writing or thinking, but if you are, > that's all to > > the good isn't it? Are you trying to protect members from me? > > Do you want everyone to agree with you all the time? Are you > looking for > > approval and feel you have to give compliments to be liked? I don't > use obscene > > nasty and crude words like Bob Nixon did, or Silver. I come from my > feelings, > > and give honest responses. If that's not O.K., to bad for you. > Suffer. You > > may learn something. > > > > Larry Epston > > www.epston.com > > > > Your posting patterns on this list became such an > issue that Hur finally put you on moderation. > That in itself says something huge, as Hur is > *very reluctant* to put anyone on moderation. > > Many list members, myself included, have given > you specific feedback as to why they have found > various of your postings offensive. You haven't > wanted to hear that. > > You are apparently simply unable to hear about how > your words have or might have a negative impact > upon others. That is a very serious limitation. > > And so long as that is the case the potential for > you to meaningfully communicate on a list such as > this is zilch. > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Forgive me gentlemen, I think you all know me well enough to understand why I speak now. You all know how I feel about moderation and banning someone. Two sides, one coin. Toss it in the air, and see which side it falls on. I think everyone has missed a golden opportunity to see beyond that which one already knows. We know what we know, we think what we think, we feel what we feel, and please don't give me any nondual doublespeak ;-) I am That, I am This. Easy to say, but harder when it comes to making it work in real time, real life. Anytime someone writes, says something that pushes a button or two, we could give thanks. We can see where WE are stuck. I-you can't help 'Larry' with anything except acceptance. From acceptance, and trying to see beyond what 'Larry' was all about, we would have learned that he is not a mass murderer or a crazy terrorist. Just what are WE afraid of? How can intelligent, enlightened folks be so reactive? Did anyone try to not react, and just see how the snow flies, the rain falls, on the other side of I Am-the " You " . Please save the stories of how reactive and/or nasty 'Larry' was. It's never about the " other " person in this type of circumstance and situation. And now's a perfect time to throw in the non-duality card, just Who are we speaking from/about? And the bottom line is this: mirror mirror on the wall, empty mirror, emptied hall. No one sits. No one waits. No one gets past these gates... Yours In Love, Ana p.s. It is in the practice of our daily lives, everywhere I am-You are. How shall we treat oneAnother? Who will let go, first? Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069 wrote: > > I agree with Bill. > > :-) > > Silver > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > kailashana@ writes: > > > > > > > It seems Larry does not realize how he provokes others and > that's > > > > why he's moderated. Although I approve nearly half of his > messages > > > > with leniency I'm not sure if this is working. I'm asking the > group > > > > members to practice restraint if you feel the need to engage > > > > him...of course you can always play nice with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I wonder what hur means when he says, " I'm not sure if this > is > > working? " > > > Is he, are you, trying to teach me something that you know, and > I > > don't? > > > Does the group, do all of you, need his advice on how to behave > in > > relation to > > > me? Mostly, I like to comment on what others are saying, but I > also > > write my > > > own statements and invite dialogue. > > > I find the back and forth of list conversation usually trivial > and > > empty so I > > > don't join in. Is that some kind of a problem? Not following > some > > unwritten > > > rules of etiquette? > > > Mostly, I feel like I am writing to and for myself, and make > copies > > of my > > > statements and comments. I enjoy this. It's like making art and > > saving my > > > pictures. I have no problem being who and what I am. I am at > ease > > and at peace > > > within, and am not looking for any truth or ultimate knowledge > > outside of myself. > > > And as far as lessons from kindergarten, I spend many hours with > > kindergarten > > > students and let me tell you, most don't learn these lessons, and > > some of you > > > haven't learned them either. I send my messages out to > individuals > > as well > > > as posting them on the list, and I always send a copy to myself, > so > > hur, you > > > have no power to play over me. If you have the time to play your > > little power > > > trip, enjoy yourself. I send my art, music, poetry and messages > to > > many so > > > censor what you want, and post the rest. I don't mind at all. I > > don't sense that > > > anyone is " provoked " by my writing or thinking, but if you are, > > that's all to > > > the good isn't it? Are you trying to protect members from me? > > > Do you want everyone to agree with you all the time? Are you > > looking for > > > approval and feel you have to give compliments to be liked? I > don't > > use obscene > > > nasty and crude words like Bob Nixon did, or Silver. I come > from my > > feelings, > > > and give honest responses. If that's not O.K., to bad for you. > > Suffer. You > > > may learn something. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > Your posting patterns on this list became such an > > issue that Hur finally put you on moderation. > > That in itself says something huge, as Hur is > > *very reluctant* to put anyone on moderation. > > > > Many list members, myself included, have given > > you specific feedback as to why they have found > > various of your postings offensive. You haven't > > wanted to hear that. > > > > You are apparently simply unable to hear about how > > your words have or might have a negative impact > > upon others. That is a very serious limitation. > > > > And so long as that is the case the potential for > > you to meaningfully communicate on a list such as > > this is zilch. > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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