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--- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit :

 

> To cease fabricating objects in the mind is

> to stop perceiving what we are not and to

> apperceive what we ARE.

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> - Ramesh Balsekar

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> can we ever know " what we ARE " ?

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> seems dubious

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> more important, it seems, is freedom

> from wondering in the first place

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> it is only what-we-are-not that wonders

> " what we ARE " .

>

>

> Bill

 

anyhow, there isn`t the choice of knowing who you are.

You, as a separate entity,want to know That which is,

as the Absolute.

It can`t be done because you are the Absolute.

You are Yourself.

How could you not be?

Only in a dream can you pretend not to be yourself.

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit :

>

> > To cease fabricating objects in the mind is

> > to stop perceiving what we are not and to

> > apperceive what we ARE.

> >

> > - Ramesh Balsekar

> >

> > can we ever know " what we ARE " ?

> >

> > seems dubious

> >

> > more important, it seems, is freedom

> > from wondering in the first place

> >

> > it is only what-we-are-not that wonders

> > " what we ARE " .

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

> anyhow, there isn`t the choice of knowing who you are.

> You, as a separate entity,want to know That which is,

> as the Absolute.

> It can`t be done because you are the Absolute.

> You are Yourself.

> How could you not be?

 

I question the, " You are Yourself. "

Is there ever a moment in which one has

such a recognition?

 

It seems to me that the dreaming just becomes

more subtle, more refined. Thoughts go away

and there are " energy flows " , " deep states " ,

experiences of luminousness, etc. And then

perhaps we call all that an experience of the

Absolute, or we call a " sense of background "

to all that " the Absolute " .

 

Perhaps the dreaming does become more " pure "

in some real sense, less " confused " ...

but to say you come to know Yourself?

 

Are you talking about every moment there is

a " sense of Yourself " ?

 

Are you talking about *some* such moments?

 

How is it any more than ever-more empty,

ever-more transparent dreaming?

 

In an earlier post I talked about the

emptiness/Emptiness... and there is a persistence,

it would seem, of that Emptiness...

 

so perhaps that is what you mean by Yourself.

 

But then it is a matter of different semantic

preferences. If that *is* what you mean by

Yourself (emptiness)... than to me, well, I

just don't like that word for it. It seems to

damn " personal " a word, too social a word, for

something that is so beyond all that.

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

> Only in a dream can you pretend not to be yourself.

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