Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > someone wrote: > > > > > > > > One does give up wondering at some point...perhaps the point at > which > > > > we see that all of <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THIS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > > > no-thing real. > > > > ....... > > > > > > > > it is that end of wondering that seems crucial > > > > to me... > > > > > > > > it seems that can only end because there is > > > > some kind of fullness, a silent empty fullness, > > > > that makes any sense of lack seem superficial > > > > (which it is)... > > > > > > > > this is only sinking in as I write this... > > > > > > > > it strikes me that the reason I no longer wonder > > > > is because of a fullness, and while it is only > > > > in emptiness... there is nothing THERE... > > > > somehow there is substance > > > > > > > > and it is that substance that leaves me satisfied. > > > > > > > > there are still so many kinks being worked out... > > > > no doubt about that! > > > > > > > > but the ever-present fullness running through it > > > > all... somehow sustains me through it all... > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > This reminds me of a therapy created by a Jocelyn Blouin, in which > > > things are taken to " Beyond Satiation " . It has to do with going > > > beyond the " completion " of all of our issues or things that we have > > > any attention on. If we have attention on something it is not > complete. > > > > > > Is your fullness the same as completeness? Or is it a willingness to > > > " have " incompleteness? > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > Now that is a deep question! > > > > Ironically, both. > > > > Number one, fullness is inherently the ultimate completeness. > > That is what I meant by saying that in realization of fullness > > there is always complete satisfaction. > > > > Number two, it is an infinite tolerance for " incompleteness " . > > Not so much a " willingness " ... but a no-need to move anything > > " to completeness " because in fullness there is always an > > inherent completeness (that is so beyond the shallow kind > > of completeness of phenomenal experience). > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Fullness.....even that of a sage......occurs within the phenomenal realm. > > > toombaru > is it your purpose here to convince as many as possible that it is pointless to be writing/talking about any of this " nondual stuff " ? and what do you think of Nisargadatta? do you consider that I Am That would best never have been written? That it would have been best that N never spoke about advaita? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > someone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One does give up wondering at some point...perhaps the point at > > which > > > > > we see that all of > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THIS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > > > > no-thing real. > > > > > ....... > > > > > > > > > > it is that end of wondering that seems crucial > > > > > to me... > > > > > > > > > > it seems that can only end because there is > > > > > some kind of fullness, a silent empty fullness, > > > > > that makes any sense of lack seem superficial > > > > > (which it is)... > > > > > > > > > > this is only sinking in as I write this... > > > > > > > > > > it strikes me that the reason I no longer wonder > > > > > is because of a fullness, and while it is only > > > > > in emptiness... there is nothing THERE... > > > > > somehow there is substance > > > > > > > > > > and it is that substance that leaves me satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > there are still so many kinks being worked out... > > > > > no doubt about that! > > > > > > > > > > but the ever-present fullness running through it > > > > > all... somehow sustains me through it all... > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > This reminds me of a therapy created by a Jocelyn Blouin, in which > > > > things are taken to " Beyond Satiation " . It has to do with going > > > > beyond the " completion " of all of our issues or things that we have > > > > any attention on. If we have attention on something it is not > > complete. > > > > > > > > Is your fullness the same as completeness? Or is it a willingness to > > > > " have " incompleteness? > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > Now that is a deep question! > > > > > > Ironically, both. > > > > > > Number one, fullness is inherently the ultimate completeness. > > > That is what I meant by saying that in realization of fullness > > > there is always complete satisfaction. > > > > > > Number two, it is an infinite tolerance for " incompleteness " . > > > Not so much a " willingness " ... but a no-need to move anything > > > " to completeness " because in fullness there is always an > > > inherent completeness (that is so beyond the shallow kind > > > of completeness of phenomenal experience). > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fullness.....even that of a sage......occurs within the phenomenal > realm. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > is it your purpose here to convince > as many as possible that it is pointless > to be writing/talking about any of this > " nondual stuff " ? > > and what do you think of Nisargadatta? > do you consider that I Am That would best > never have been written? That it would > have been best that N never spoke about > advaita? > > Bill > What do you hope to find within this dream of separation? What heroic......romantic ideation will make it tolerable? What combination of concepts will make you happy? You have heard the answer a thousand times......Why do you keep dragging all those little words around? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 <snip> > > > > is it your purpose here to convince > > as many as possible that it is pointless > > to be writing/talking about any of this > > " nondual stuff " ? > > > > and what do you think of Nisargadatta? > > do you consider that I Am That would best > > never have been written? That it would > > have been best that N never spoke about > > advaita? > > > > Bill > > > > > > What do you hope to find within this dream of separation? > > What heroic......romantic ideation will make it tolerable? > > What combination of concepts will make you happy? > > You have heard the answer a thousand times......Why do you keep > dragging all those little words around? > > toombaru > it is the deluded mind that assumes " one hoping to find " is behind it all. all the putative motivations projected in the words above! the silence of these words are here to taste, to drink... but the deluded mind finds only words and only concepts implied therein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > > is it your purpose here to convince > > > as many as possible that it is pointless > > > to be writing/talking about any of this > > > " nondual stuff " ? > > > > > > and what do you think of Nisargadatta? > > > do you consider that I Am That would best > > > never have been written? That it would > > > have been best that N never spoke about > > > advaita? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > What do you hope to find within this dream of separation? > > > > What heroic......romantic ideation will make it tolerable? > > > > What combination of concepts will make you happy? > > > > You have heard the answer a thousand times......Why do you keep > > dragging all those little words around? > > > > toombaru > > > > it is the deluded mind that assumes > " one hoping to find " is behind it all. > > all the putative motivations > projected in the words above! > > the silence of these words are here > to taste, to drink... > > but the deluded mind finds only words > and only concepts implied therein > Believe in " delusion, " And you will be " deluded. " Believe only in " truth, " And you will be " truth. " ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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