Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 --- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit : > > > re: > > > " and words can not be seeds of blossoming..... " > > > > > > anything can be a seed of blossoming. > > > > > > you are treating words as a special class of > > > phenomena. words and the flight of birds, > > > the sound of thunder... are all just phenomena. > > > > > > if there is any problem with words, it is in > > > seeing words as separate from life rather than > > > just a part of life. > > > > > > Bill > > > ...................................................... > > the world :orange > > > > and then its taste color fragrance texture, > > stickiness, roundness etc... > > you call that the same thing? > > One is a label, the other one is the real stuff > that > > you can experience. > > you can press the orange but how can you ever > express > > it.... > > > > from the perspective of a person they do seem quite > distinct, don't they? > > but all you mention are vibrations... > > and are manifestations within Silence. > > don't think of words in terms of " abstractions " ... > but in terms of instances... > a *particular* experience of some particular > words. > > as an abstraction " orange " is a concept. > but that isn't real. No one ever experiences > the concept orange. But you do experience > the sensations of reading " orange " in a > particular moment. > > if you go into words as something from the > standpoint of thought... *then* words are > distinct from all else... > > but as sensory experience... they are just > phenomena like everything else... hearing > a line of poetry read vs. hearing the same > line of poetry as if " hummed " for example... > both are just sensation. > > I read your words: > > and then its taste color fragrance texture, > > stickiness, roundness etc... > and those words go " through " as sensation, > as vibration, as energy patterns. > > if you hum something to me then I might > hum something back. If you say something > to me I might say something back. If the > response (in words) JUST FLOWS OUT OF ME > (and this is key) then it all is > experienced as just energy going round. > > it is when experience is as a mential operation > that words come to seem very different from > other phenomena. > > in a *particular moment* whatever is experienced > is as vibrations arising within Silence. > The origin of those vibrations does not change > that the experience in the moment is as vibration > within Silence. > > so what I am fundamentally saying is that *if* > experience is as vibrations arising in Silence > then " words read " or " words heard " or any other > *particular experience of words* is as vibrations > arising and is just phenomena arising in Silence. > > that is the whole point of the realization that > all is just phenomena arising in Silence, as > " clouds in the coffee " as it were. > > and see how what I am saying above can only be > understood if experience is immediate, direct, > in the Now... and not a mediated by " mind " ? > > > Bill ok, i see that, i get it, then you are evoquing a very particular language that has very little space in this world. Words can be born from thoughts and yes, they can also be an extension of silence.. ~~~ > > > > > > > > _________________________ Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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