Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit : > > > > > re: > > > > " and words can not be seeds of blossoming..... " > > > > > > > > anything can be a seed of blossoming. > > > > > > > > you are treating words as a special class of > > > > phenomena. words and the flight of birds, > > > > the sound of thunder... are all just phenomena. > > > > > > > > if there is any problem with words, it is in > > > > seeing words as separate from life rather than > > > > just a part of life. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > ..................................................... > > > the world :orange > > > > > > and then its taste color fragrance texture, > > > stickiness, roundness etc... > > > you call that the same thing? > > > One is a label, the other one is the real stuff > > that > > > you can experience. > > > you can press the orange but how can you ever > > express > > > it.... > > > > > > > from the perspective of a person they do seem quite > > distinct, don't they? > > > > but all you mention are vibrations... > > > > and are manifestations within Silence. > > > > don't think of words in terms of " abstractions " ... > > but in terms of instances... > > a *particular* experience of some particular > > words. > > > > as an abstraction " orange " is a concept. > > but that isn't real. No one ever experiences > > the concept orange. But you do experience > > the sensations of reading " orange " in a > > particular moment. > > > > if you go into words as something from the > > standpoint of thought... *then* words are > > distinct from all else... > > > > but as sensory experience... they are just > > phenomena like everything else... hearing > > a line of poetry read vs. hearing the same > > line of poetry as if " hummed " for example... > > both are just sensation. > > > > I read your words: > > > and then its taste color fragrance texture, > > > stickiness, roundness etc... > > and those words go " through " as sensation, > > as vibration, as energy patterns. > > > > if you hum something to me then I might > > hum something back. If you say something > > to me I might say something back. If the > > response (in words) JUST FLOWS OUT OF ME > > (and this is key) then it all is > > experienced as just energy going round. > > > > it is when experience is as a mential operation > > that words come to seem very different from > > other phenomena. > > > > in a *particular moment* whatever is experienced > > is as vibrations arising within Silence. > > The origin of those vibrations does not change > > that the experience in the moment is as vibration > > within Silence. > > > > so what I am fundamentally saying is that *if* > > experience is as vibrations arising in Silence > > then " words read " or " words heard " or any other > > *particular experience of words* is as vibrations > > arising and is just phenomena arising in Silence. > > > > that is the whole point of the realization that > > all is just phenomena arising in Silence, as > > " clouds in the coffee " as it were. > > > > and see how what I am saying above can only be > > understood if experience is immediate, direct, > > in the Now... and not a mediated by " mind " ? > > > > > > Bill > > ok, i see that, i get it, > then you are evoquing a very particular language that > has very little space in this world. don't know what you mean... very little space... what I am saying can apply to *any* experience of language... it is talking by " just being " ... just letting it happen it is listening by " just being " ... it is not experiencing as " a person " , and a distinct entity " coping with a world " ... it is dreaming one's life. it is experience as totally organic, as an unfolding whole... and what unfolds is always a surprise... living in such a way is not by a plan according to a purpose... and there is no limitation on language in living in such a way. Bill > Words can be born from thoughts > and yes, they can also be an extension of silence.. > > ~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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