Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 --- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit : > Nisargadatta , OConnor > Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > > > > --- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit : > > > > > > > re: > > > > > " and words can not be seeds of > blossoming..... " > > > > > > > > > > anything can be a seed of blossoming. > > > > > > > > > > you are treating words as a special class of > > > > > > phenomena. words and the flight of birds, > > > > > the sound of thunder... are all just > phenomena. > > > > > > > > > > if there is any problem with words, it is in > > > > > seeing words as separate from life rather > than > > > > > just a part of life. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > ...................................................... > > > > the world :orange > > > > > > > > and then its taste color fragrance texture, > > > > stickiness, roundness etc... > > > > you call that the same thing? > > > > One is a label, the other one is the real > stuff > > > that > > > > you can experience. > > > > you can press the orange but how can you ever > > > express > > > > it.... > > > > > > > > > > from the perspective of a person they do seem > quite > > > distinct, don't they? > > > > > > but all you mention are vibrations... > > > > > > and are manifestations within Silence. > > > > > > don't think of words in terms of > " abstractions " ... > > > but in terms of instances... > > > a *particular* experience of some particular > > > words. > > > > > > as an abstraction " orange " is a concept. > > > but that isn't real. No one ever experiences > > > the concept orange. But you do experience > > > the sensations of reading " orange " in a > > > particular moment. > > > > > > if you go into words as something from the > > > standpoint of thought... *then* words are > > > distinct from all else... > > > > > > but as sensory experience... they are just > > > phenomena like everything else... hearing > > > a line of poetry read vs. hearing the same > > > line of poetry as if " hummed " for example... > > > both are just sensation. > > > > > > I read your words: > > > > and then its taste color fragrance texture, > > > > stickiness, roundness etc... > > > and those words go " through " as sensation, > > > as vibration, as energy patterns. > > > > > > if you hum something to me then I might > > > hum something back. If you say something > > > to me I might say something back. If the > > > response (in words) JUST FLOWS OUT OF ME > > > (and this is key) then it all is > > > experienced as just energy going round. > > > > > > it is when experience is as a mential operation > > > that words come to seem very different from > > > other phenomena. > > > > > > in a *particular moment* whatever is experienced > > > is as vibrations arising within Silence. > > > The origin of those vibrations does not change > > > that the experience in the moment is as > vibration > > > within Silence. > > > > > > so what I am fundamentally saying is that *if* > > > experience is as vibrations arising in Silence > > > then " words read " or " words heard " or any other > > > *particular experience of words* is as > vibrations > > > arising and is just phenomena arising in > Silence. > > > > > > that is the whole point of the realization that > > > all is just phenomena arising in Silence, as > > > " clouds in the coffee " as it were. > > > > > > and see how what I am saying above can only be > > > understood if experience is immediate, direct, > > > in the Now... and not a mediated by " mind " ? > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > ok, i see that, i get it, > > then you are evoquing a very particular language > that > > has very little space in this world. > > don't know what you mean... very little space... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are evoquing a living state of being in its natural expression. I observe a lot more mechanical responses than spontaneous ones in this world. Mind is the supreme ruler. : therefore I mentionned how little space this naturalness has. ~~~ > what I am saying can apply to *any* experience of > language... > > it is talking by " just being " ... just letting it > happen > it is listening by " just being " ... > > it is not experiencing as " a person " , and > a distinct entity " coping with a world " ... > > it is dreaming one's life. > > it is experience as totally organic, as an > unfolding whole... > and what unfolds is always a surprise... > > living in such a way is not by a plan according > to a purpose... > > and there is no limitation on language in living > in such a way. > > Bill > > > > Words can be born from thoughts > > and yes, they can also be an extension of > silence.. > > > > ~~~ > > > > > > _________________________ Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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