Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 you can only understand what you are not. For the rest,< youcanonlybe> when you find I am, what else can you say, why would words matter? There are no right word that can describe it, you can only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if their choice of word is in the same line than yours, or not. When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing else to be. There is only disappearance of the seeker. Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although they have their place for the time being...maybe...i don`t know.. Yours...........~~~ _________________________ Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > words matter? > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > or not. That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, does that mean they are describing something quite different, or does it mean that they actually are describing the same thing (more or less), but that the term " I am " does resonate for them even though for me it doesn't. > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > else to be. > There is only disappearance of the seeker. Some use the term 'This' for that. At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " For those who incline to say " I am " ... I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... even with the disappearance of the seeker. If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . If so, then they are describing something quite different from what I describe when I say " aliveness everywhere " . For one who would say " I am " I wonder if simply " beingness " would work just as well. Does there really have to be an " I " in it? I want to understand this because I seem to constantly be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it just different words, as you suggest, or something different being described? Bill > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > don`t know.. > > Yours...........~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > > words matter? > > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > > or not. > That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all > about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. > So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, > does that mean they are describing something quite > different, or does it mean that they actually are > describing the same thing (more or less), but that > the term " I am " does resonate for them even though > for me it doesn't. > > > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > > else to be. > > There is only disappearance of the seeker. > Some use the term 'This' for that. > At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " > > For those who incline to say " I am " ... > I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... > even with the disappearance of the seeker. > > If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . > > If so, then they are describing something quite > different from what I describe when I say > " aliveness everywhere " . > > For one who would say " I am " I wonder if > simply " beingness " would work just as well. > Does there really have to be an " I " in it? > > I want to understand this because I seem to constantly > be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it > just different words, as you suggest, or something > different being described? > > Bill > > > > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > > don`t know.. > > > > Yours...........~~~ > > > Hi Bill, yes.....the " I Am " (wave) cause sometimes little confusions.... it seem that, listening/reading (to) the words.... from such " I Am " (beings) (as long there is this little ego-mind....restless....... and also, at same time.....the attachment to " I Am " .... like a baby child to the mother.....) .....let one catch another world.... it seem that one can catch " voice(s) " from another planet......far.... from very far...... .....but after all.....on Same place standing.....with High voice.... like all the visible ego-minds from this planet.... wish a nice day Marc Ps: " I Am " ....i imagine is of no worlds at all..... of no words.... of no identification with.... of no plans and projects.... of no destinations.... of no time and space.... but of calmness and peace.....and mostly.... of happiness means....being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > > > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > > > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > > > words matter? > > > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > > > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > > > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > > > or not. > > That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all > > about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. > > So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, > > does that mean they are describing something quite > > different, or does it mean that they actually are > > describing the same thing (more or less), but that > > the term " I am " does resonate for them even though > > for me it doesn't. > > > > > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > > > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > > > else to be. > > > There is only disappearance of the seeker. > > Some use the term 'This' for that. > > At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " > > > > For those who incline to say " I am " ... > > I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... > > even with the disappearance of the seeker. > > > > If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . > > > > If so, then they are describing something quite > > different from what I describe when I say > > " aliveness everywhere " . > > > > For one who would say " I am " I wonder if > > simply " beingness " would work just as well. > > Does there really have to be an " I " in it? > > > > I want to understand this because I seem to constantly > > be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it > > just different words, as you suggest, or something > > different being described? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > > > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > > > don`t know.. > > > > > > Yours...........~~~ > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > yes.....the " I Am " (wave) cause sometimes little confusions.... > > it seem that, listening/reading (to) the words.... > from such " I Am " (beings) > > (as long there is this little ego-mind....restless....... > and also, at same time.....the attachment to " I Am " .... > like a baby child to the mother.....) > > ....let one catch another world.... > > it seem that one can catch " voice(s) " from another planet......far.... > from very far...... > > ....but after all.....on Same place standing.....with High voice.... > like all the visible ego-minds from this planet.... > > > > wish a nice day > > Marc > > Ps: " I Am " ....i imagine > is of no worlds at all..... > of no words.... > of no identification with.... > of no plans and projects.... > of no destinations.... > of no time and space.... > > but of calmness and peace.....and mostly.... > of happiness > > means....being > In the beginning there is a fluid movement of chaos and coalescence gathering into a seed, and the seed is called I Am. Nature and nurture open the seed in endless ways and the seed asks who am I. When the seed is ripe, and falling to earth, by the grace of heaven, ripens, a soft green pliable shoot opens touches the sky, touches the earth. YIL, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > > > > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > > > > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > > > > words matter? > > > > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > > > > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > > > > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > > > > or not. > > > That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all > > > about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. > > > So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, > > > does that mean they are describing something quite > > > different, or does it mean that they actually are > > > describing the same thing (more or less), but that > > > the term " I am " does resonate for them even though > > > for me it doesn't. > > > > > > > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > > > > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > > > > else to be. > > > > There is only disappearance of the seeker. > > > Some use the term 'This' for that. > > > At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " > > > > > > For those who incline to say " I am " ... > > > I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... > > > even with the disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > > If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . > > > > > > If so, then they are describing something quite > > > different from what I describe when I say > > > " aliveness everywhere " . > > > > > > For one who would say " I am " I wonder if > > > simply " beingness " would work just as well. > > > Does there really have to be an " I " in it? > > > > > > I want to understand this because I seem to constantly > > > be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it > > > just different words, as you suggest, or something > > > different being described? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > > > > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > > > > don`t know.. > > > > > > > > Yours...........~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > yes.....the " I Am " (wave) cause sometimes little confusions.... > > > > it seem that, listening/reading (to) the words.... > > from such " I Am " (beings) > > > > (as long there is this little ego-mind....restless....... > > and also, at same time.....the attachment to " I Am " .... > > like a baby child to the mother.....) > > > > ....let one catch another world.... > > > > it seem that one can catch " voice(s) " from another > planet......far.... > > from very far...... > > > > ....but after all.....on Same place standing.....with High > voice.... > > like all the visible ego-minds from this planet.... > > > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: " I Am " ....i imagine > > is of no worlds at all..... > > of no words.... > > of no identification with.... > > of no plans and projects.... > > of no destinations.... > > of no time and space.... > > > > but of calmness and peace.....and mostly.... > > of happiness > > > > means....being > > > > > > In the beginning there is a fluid movement > of chaos and coalescence > gathering into a seed, > and the seed is called I Am. > > Nature and nurture open the seed > in endless ways and the > seed asks who am I. > > When the seed is ripe, > and > falling to earth, > by the grace of heaven, > ripens, > a soft green pliable shoot > opens > touches the sky, > touches the earth. > > > > YIL, > Ana ....and then..... after endless times..... after endless growing... and growing.... and growing.... the " seed " wake up from a long.... long.... and very long... dream and continue to dream.... about " seeds " .....about planets.... about worlds.... about pleasure and pain... about many things.... happening.....in a dream only Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > > > > > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > > > > > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > > > > > words matter? > > > > > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > > > > > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > > > > > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > > > > > or not. > > > > That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all > > > > about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. > > > > So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, > > > > does that mean they are describing something quite > > > > different, or does it mean that they actually are > > > > describing the same thing (more or less), but that > > > > the term " I am " does resonate for them even though > > > > for me it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > > > > > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > > > > > else to be. > > > > > There is only disappearance of the seeker. > > > > Some use the term 'This' for that. > > > > At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " > > > > > > > > For those who incline to say " I am " ... > > > > I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... > > > > even with the disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > > > > If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . > > > > > > > > If so, then they are describing something quite > > > > different from what I describe when I say > > > > " aliveness everywhere " . > > > > > > > > For one who would say " I am " I wonder if > > > > simply " beingness " would work just as well. > > > > Does there really have to be an " I " in it? > > > > > > > > I want to understand this because I seem to constantly > > > > be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it > > > > just different words, as you suggest, or something > > > > different being described? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > > > > > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > > > > > don`t know.. > > > > > > > > > > Yours...........~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > yes.....the " I Am " (wave) cause sometimes little confusions.... > > > > > > it seem that, listening/reading (to) the words.... > > > from such " I Am " (beings) > > > > > > (as long there is this little ego-mind....restless....... > > > and also, at same time.....the attachment to " I Am " .... > > > like a baby child to the mother.....) > > > > > > ....let one catch another world.... > > > > > > it seem that one can catch " voice(s) " from another > > planet......far.... > > > from very far...... > > > > > > ....but after all.....on Same place standing.....with High > > voice.... > > > like all the visible ego-minds from this planet.... > > > > > > > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: " I Am " ....i imagine > > > is of no worlds at all..... > > > of no words.... > > > of no identification with.... > > > of no plans and projects.... > > > of no destinations.... > > > of no time and space.... > > > > > > but of calmness and peace.....and mostly.... > > > of happiness > > > > > > means....being > > > > > > > > > > > In the beginning there is a fluid movement > > of chaos and coalescence > > gathering into a seed, > > and the seed is called I Am. > > > > Nature and nurture open the seed > > in endless ways and the > > seed asks who am I. > > > > When the seed is ripe, > > and > > falling to earth, > > by the grace of heaven, > > ripens, > > a soft green pliable shoot > > opens > > touches the sky, > > touches the earth. > > > > > > > > YIL, > > Ana > > > ...and then..... > > after endless times..... > after endless growing... > and growing.... > and growing.... > > the " seed " wake up from a long.... > long.... > and very long... > > dream > > and continue to dream.... > about " seeds " .....about planets.... > about worlds.... > about pleasure and pain... > about many things.... > > happening.....in a dream only > > Marc > ....and so the seedling falls in love with the dream that all seeds dream... ....of how the sky fits the earth as Lovers do, spilling seeds of love into one another. an echo... waiting to be heard... ....an ancient fall into grace.. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > > > > > > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > > > > > > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > > > > > > words matter? > > > > > > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > > > > > > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > > > > > > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > > > > > > or not. > > > > > That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all > > > > > about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. > > > > > So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, > > > > > does that mean they are describing something quite > > > > > different, or does it mean that they actually are > > > > > describing the same thing (more or less), but that > > > > > the term " I am " does resonate for them even though > > > > > for me it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > > > > > > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > > > > > > else to be. > > > > > > There is only disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > Some use the term 'This' for that. > > > > > At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " > > > > > > > > > > For those who incline to say " I am " ... > > > > > I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... > > > > > even with the disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > > > > > > If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . > > > > > > > > > > If so, then they are describing something quite > > > > > different from what I describe when I say > > > > > " aliveness everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > For one who would say " I am " I wonder if > > > > > simply " beingness " would work just as well. > > > > > Does there really have to be an " I " in it? > > > > > > > > > > I want to understand this because I seem to constantly > > > > > be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it > > > > > just different words, as you suggest, or something > > > > > different being described? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > > > > > > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > > > > > > don`t know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours...........~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > yes.....the " I Am " (wave) cause sometimes little confusions.... > > > > > > > > it seem that, listening/reading (to) the words.... > > > > from such " I Am " (beings) > > > > > > > > (as long there is this little ego-mind....restless....... > > > > and also, at same time.....the attachment to " I Am " .... > > > > like a baby child to the mother.....) > > > > > > > > ....let one catch another world.... > > > > > > > > it seem that one can catch " voice(s) " from another > > > planet......far.... > > > > from very far...... > > > > > > > > ....but after all.....on Same place standing.....with High > > > voice.... > > > > like all the visible ego-minds from this planet.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: " I Am " ....i imagine > > > > is of no worlds at all..... > > > > of no words.... > > > > of no identification with.... > > > > of no plans and projects.... > > > > of no destinations.... > > > > of no time and space.... > > > > > > > > but of calmness and peace.....and mostly.... > > > > of happiness > > > > > > > > means....being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the beginning there is a fluid movement > > > of chaos and coalescence > > > gathering into a seed, > > > and the seed is called I Am. > > > > > > Nature and nurture open the seed > > > in endless ways and the > > > seed asks who am I. > > > > > > When the seed is ripe, > > > and > > > falling to earth, > > > by the grace of heaven, > > > ripens, > > > a soft green pliable shoot > > > opens > > > touches the sky, > > > touches the earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > Ana > > > > > > ...and then..... > > > > after endless times..... > > after endless growing... > > and growing.... > > and growing.... > > > > the " seed " wake up from a long.... > > long.... > > and very long... > > > > dream > > > > and continue to dream.... > > about " seeds " .....about planets.... > > about worlds.... > > about pleasure and pain... > > about many things.... > > > > happening.....in a dream only > > > > Marc > > > > > ...and so > > the seedling falls > in love with the dream > that all seeds dream... > no no....there is only one dream..... the nature of " seeds " ....is dreaming...... the nature of Self is ....not dreaming.... but is/was/will be ...there....still.....as the Same.....Being there are no other (seeds) only a dream could tell about " others " ..... > ...of how the sky fits the earth > as Lovers do, > > spilling seeds of love > into one another. > > an echo... > waiting to be heard... > > ...an ancient fall into grace.. > > ;-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > <gdtige@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > > > > > > > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > > > > > > > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > > > > > > > words matter? > > > > > > > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > > > > > > > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > > > > > > > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > > > > > > > or not. > > > > > > That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all > > > > > > about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. > > > > > > So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, > > > > > > does that mean they are describing something quite > > > > > > different, or does it mean that they actually are > > > > > > describing the same thing (more or less), but that > > > > > > the term " I am " does resonate for them even though > > > > > > for me it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > > > > > > > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > > > > > > > else to be. > > > > > > > There is only disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > > Some use the term 'This' for that. > > > > > > At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who incline to say " I am " ... > > > > > > I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... > > > > > > even with the disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > > > > > > > > If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, then they are describing something quite > > > > > > different from what I describe when I say > > > > > > " aliveness everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > > > For one who would say " I am " I wonder if > > > > > > simply " beingness " would work just as well. > > > > > > Does there really have to be an " I " in it? > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to understand this because I seem to constantly > > > > > > be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it > > > > > > just different words, as you suggest, or something > > > > > > different being described? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > > > > > > > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > > > > > > > don`t know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours...........~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > yes.....the " I Am " (wave) cause sometimes little > confusions.... > > > > > > > > > > it seem that, listening/reading (to) the words.... > > > > > from such " I Am " (beings) > > > > > > > > > > (as long there is this little ego-mind....restless....... > > > > > and also, at same time.....the attachment to " I Am " .... > > > > > like a baby child to the mother.....) > > > > > > > > > > ....let one catch another world.... > > > > > > > > > > it seem that one can catch " voice(s) " from another > > > > planet......far.... > > > > > from very far...... > > > > > > > > > > ....but after all.....on Same place standing.....with High > > > > voice.... > > > > > like all the visible ego-minds from this planet.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Ps: " I Am " ....i imagine > > > > > is of no worlds at all..... > > > > > of no words.... > > > > > of no identification with.... > > > > > of no plans and projects.... > > > > > of no destinations.... > > > > > of no time and space.... > > > > > > > > > > but of calmness and peace.....and mostly.... > > > > > of happiness > > > > > > > > > > means....being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the beginning there is a fluid movement > > > > of chaos and coalescence > > > > gathering into a seed, > > > > and the seed is called I Am. > > > > > > > > Nature and nurture open the seed > > > > in endless ways and the > > > > seed asks who am I. > > > > > > > > When the seed is ripe, > > > > and > > > > falling to earth, > > > > by the grace of heaven, > > > > ripens, > > > > a soft green pliable shoot > > > > opens > > > > touches the sky, > > > > touches the earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > ...and then..... > > > > > > after endless times..... > > > after endless growing... > > > and growing.... > > > and growing.... > > > > > > the " seed " wake up from a long.... > > > long.... > > > and very long... > > > > > > dream > > > > > > and continue to dream.... > > > about " seeds " .....about planets.... > > > about worlds.... > > > about pleasure and pain... > > > about many things.... > > > > > > happening.....in a dream only > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > ...and so > > > > the seedling falls > > in love with the dream > > that all seeds dream... > > > no no....there is only one dream..... > > the nature of " seeds " ....is dreaming...... > > the nature of Self is ....not dreaming.... > > but is/was/will be ...there....still.....as the Same.....Being > > > there are no other (seeds) > > only a dream could tell about " others " ..... > > > > > ...of how the sky fits the earth > > as Lovers do, > > > > spilling seeds of love > > into one another. > > > > an echo... > > waiting to be heard... > > > > ...an ancient fall into grace.. > > > > ;-) > > > > > > the mighty oak deep rooted gnarled concentric-ringed ice-aged seed silver-barked surrounded emptiness wings rest in branches and nest green leaves dance in perfect cadence turn colours into night...into light... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can only understand what you are not. > > > > > > For the rest,< youcanonlybe> > > > > > > when you find I am, what else can you say, why would > > > > > > words matter? > > > > > > There are no right word that can describe it, you can > > > > > > only try to know who is talking to you, then seeing if > > > > > > their choice of word is in the same line than yours, > > > > > > or not. > > > > > That's exactly what my question about " I am " is all > > > > > about. " I am " seems not the description for me at all. > > > > > So when someone else does use " I am " to describe, > > > > > does that mean they are describing something quite > > > > > different, or does it mean that they actually are > > > > > describing the same thing (more or less), but that > > > > > the term " I am " does resonate for them even though > > > > > for me it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > When you find I am, it doesn`t matter how you call it. > > > > > > You`ll touch their beingness because there is nothing > > > > > > else to be. > > > > > > There is only disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > Some use the term 'This' for that. > > > > > At this moment I'm inclined to say: " alivenenss everywhere " > > > > > > > > > > For those who incline to say " I am " ... > > > > > I wonder if there is a " sense of I " ... > > > > > even with the disappearance of the seeker. > > > > > > > > > > If not, I don't understand calling it " I am " . > > > > > > > > > > If so, then they are describing something quite > > > > > different from what I describe when I say > > > > > " aliveness everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > For one who would say " I am " I wonder if > > > > > simply " beingness " would work just as well. > > > > > Does there really have to be an " I " in it? > > > > > > > > > > I want to understand this because I seem to constantly > > > > > be knocking heads with those who say " I am " . Is it > > > > > just different words, as you suggest, or something > > > > > different being described? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words don`t matter so much, nor definitions although > > > > > > they have their place for the time being...maybe...i > > > > > > don`t know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours...........~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > yes.....the " I Am " (wave) cause sometimes little confusions.... > > > > > > > > it seem that, listening/reading (to) the words.... > > > > from such " I Am " (beings) > > > > > > > > (as long there is this little ego-mind....restless....... > > > > and also, at same time.....the attachment to " I Am " .... > > > > like a baby child to the mother.....) > > > > > > > > ....let one catch another world.... > > > > > > > > it seem that one can catch " voice(s) " from another > > > planet......far.... > > > > from very far...... > > > > > > > > ....but after all.....on Same place standing.....with High > > > voice.... > > > > like all the visible ego-minds from this planet.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish a nice day > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: " I Am " ....i imagine > > > > is of no worlds at all..... > > > > of no words.... > > > > of no identification with.... > > > > of no plans and projects.... > > > > of no destinations.... > > > > of no time and space.... > > > > > > > > but of calmness and peace.....and mostly.... > > > > of happiness > > > > > > > > means....being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the beginning there is a fluid movement > > > of chaos and coalescence > > > gathering into a seed, > > > and the seed is called I Am. > > > > > > Nature and nurture open the seed > > > in endless ways and the > > > seed asks who am I. > > > > > > When the seed is ripe, > > > and > > > falling to earth, > > > by the grace of heaven, > > > ripens, > > > a soft green pliable shoot > > > opens > > > touches the sky, > > > touches the earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > Ana > > > > > > ...and then..... > > > > after endless times..... > > after endless growing... > > and growing.... > > and growing.... > > > > the " seed " wake up from a long.... > > long.... > > and very long... > > > > dream > > > > and continue to dream.... > > about " seeds " .....about planets.... > > about worlds.... > > about pleasure and pain... > > about many things.... > > > > happening.....in a dream only > > > > Marc > > > > > ...and so > > the seedling falls > in love with the dream > that all seeds dream... > > ...of how the sky fits the earth > as Lovers do, > > spilling seeds of love > into one another. > > an echo... > waiting to be heard... > > ...an ancient fall into grace.. > > ;-) > And you remain in accord that I display grandiloquence? How we continue to dream/project! But I am at ease with yours are you with mine? (Never mind, I know the answer is yes.) Dream on sleeping beauty. LxL ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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