Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 ************ > Yes, if there is to be any transformation, each man must take > responsibility for himself. Transformation is not something can be > forced from the outside through conditions in and of themselves, it's > a matter of conscience that comes from within. It really comes down > to love - is it true of you, or is it not? > > Judi > ********* Hence, the famous implosion from within. Do you dare look into what you're really doing, who and what you are? Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > ************ > > Yes, if there is to be any transformation, What is the nature of the creature that you speculate will be 'transformed'? each man must take > > responsibility for himself. Taking responsibility for one's self is the grand egoic delusion and only exascerbates to suffering. Suggesting that people have the ability to 'transform' themselves is not merely naive......it is downright cruel. Transformation is not something can be > > forced from the outside through conditions in and of themselves, it's > > a matter of conscience that comes from within. Judi, you talk as if this 'transformation' is a real thing. Assuming that there exists a creature that can be transformed......Perhaps you would tell us what transformation actually is. Now don't get all mean and attack old toombaru.....Just tell us what 'transformation' is......If you can. If you can't.....I will understand. It really comes down > > to love - is it true of you, or is it not? > > > > Judi > > Can an idea be 'true' to a clot of ideas? While you are at it .......perhaps you could tell us what 'love' is. > > ********* > Hence, the famous implosion from within. > > Do you dare look into what you're really doing, who and what you are? > > Judi > Nothing can see itself. Have you been reading Shirley Mcklane again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> wrote: > > > > ************ > > > Yes, if there is to be any transformation, > > > > What is the nature of the creature that you speculate will be > 'transformed'? > > > > ******* Read it again, it doesn't say that anyone is " transformed " . > > > > each man must take > > > responsibility for himself. Taking responsibility for one's self is the grand egoic delusion and > only exascerbates to suffering. ******** Nope, hardly! Like I said before, unless you know the way, you really don't know at all. > > Suggesting that people have the ability to 'transform' themselves is > not merely naive......it is downright cruel. > > > ******** Read above, nothing was said about people transforming themselves into something " else " . Yet, transformation occurs, the seeking stops. > > > Transformation is not something can be > > > forced from the outside through conditions in and of themselves, it's > > > a matter of conscience that comes from within. > > > > > > Judi, you talk as if this 'transformation' is a real thing. ****** Like I said, unless you know the way, you don't know at all. > > Assuming that there exists a creature that can be > transformed......Perhaps you would tell us what transformation > actually is. ******** Do you see how you misunderstood and now you go on and on about it? > > Now don't get all mean and attack old toombaru.....Just tell us what > 'transformation' is......If you can. > > If you can't.....I will understand. > > ******** The seeking stops. Death. And like Martha Stuart says, " it's a good thing. " > > > > It really comes down > > > to love - is it true of you, or is it not? > > > > > > Judi > > Can an idea be 'true' to a clot of ideas? > > While you are at it .......perhaps you could tell us what 'love' is. > ********** The absense of unlove. Iow, it's what's left when " self " - ishness is not. As Wayne put it, there is love, but only when you are not there. > > > > > > > ********* > > Hence, the famous implosion from within. > > > > Do you dare look into what you're really doing, who and what you are? > > > > Judi > > > > > > > Nothing can see itself. ****** Just because you haven't done it, doesn't mean that it's not possible. There is an intelligence that sees, that is beyond thought. > > > Have you been reading Shirley Mcklane again? > *********** I'll pretend you didn't say that. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > wrote: > > > > > > ************ > > > > Yes, if there is to be any transformation, > > > > > > > > What is the nature of the creature that you speculate will be > > 'transformed'? > > > > > > > > > ******* Read it again, it doesn't say that anyone is " transformed " . > > > Is a wave transformed when it rushes on shore? Is the day transformed into night? Are men transfomed into sages? No-thing is ever transformed.....It ever is what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each man must take > > > > responsibility for himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking responsibility for one's self is the grand egoic delusion and > > only exascerbates to suffering. > > > ******** Nope, hardly! Like I said before, unless you know the way, > you really don't know at all. I really do see what you are trying to say here. That which is seen clearly is impossible to put into words. > > > > > Suggesting that people have the ability to 'transform' themselves is > > not merely naive......it is downright cruel. > > > > > > > ******** Read above, nothing was said about people transforming > themselves into something " else " . Yet, transformation occurs, the > seeking stops. > > > Seeking is the persona......they arise and disappear concurrently > > > > > > Transformation is not something can be > > > > forced from the outside through conditions in and of > themselves, it's > > > > a matter of conscience that comes from within. > > > > > > > > > > > > Judi, you talk as if this 'transformation' is a real thing. > > ****** Like I said, unless you know the way, you don't know at all. > > > > > > > Assuming that there exists a creature that can be > > transformed......Perhaps you would tell us what transformation > > actually is. > > ******** Do you see how you misunderstood and now you go on and on > about it? > > > > > > Now don't get all mean and attack old toombaru.....Just tell us what > > 'transformation' is......If you can. > > > > If you can't.....I will understand. > > > > > ******** The seeking stops. Death. > And like Martha Stuart says, " it's a good thing. " The seeking stops........One opens its eyes.......and everything old is new again. > > > > > > > > > > It really comes down > > > > to love - is it true of you, or is it not? > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can an idea be 'true' to a clot of ideas? > > > > While you are at it .......perhaps you could tell us what 'love' is. > > > > ********** The absense of unlove. Iow, it's what's left when " self " - > ishness is not. As Wayne put it, there is love, but only when you > are not there. > > There is love.....when you are here. > > > > > > > > > > > > ********* > > > Hence, the famous implosion from within. > > > > > > Do you dare look into what you're really doing, who and what you > are? > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > We shall see. > > > > > > Nothing can see itself. > > ****** Just because you haven't done it, doesn't mean that it's not > possible. There is an intelligence that sees, that is beyond > thought. > > Agreed. > > > > > > Have you been reading Shirley Mcklane again? > > > > *********** I'll pretend you didn't say that. > > Judi > I will too......:-) It was mean spirited.......I bet she is really fun to be around. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > Yes, if there is to be any transformation, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the nature of the creature that you speculate will be > > > 'transformed'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******* Read it again, it doesn't say that anyone is " transformed " . > > > > > > > > > Is a wave transformed when it rushes on shore? > > Is the day transformed into night? > > Are men transfomed into sages? > > No-thing is ever transformed.....It ever is what it is. > Ahh, Fantasy and Alchemy A lonely stone waits... cut, polished, now brilliant reflections transformed from raging fires of the ages, timeless memories of seas rushing to white sands, a single day's passage into dark nightwings, ....hungry bees gathering golden dust, ravage undulating flowers... ancient winds caress nothing at all, nothing remembered nothing forgotten. nothing remains unloved. YIL, Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each man must take > > > > > responsibility for himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taking responsibility for one's self is the grand egoic delusion and > > > only exascerbates to suffering. > > > > > > ******** Nope, hardly! Like I said before, unless you know the way, > > you really don't know at all. > > > > I really do see what you are trying to say here. > > That which is seen clearly is impossible to put into words. > > > > > > > Suggesting that people have the ability to 'transform' themselves is > > > not merely naive......it is downright cruel. > > > > > > > > > > > ******** Read above, nothing was said about people transforming > > themselves into something " else " . Yet, transformation occurs, the > > seeking stops. > > > > > > > > > > > Seeking is the persona......they arise and disappear concurrently > > > > > > > > Transformation is not something can be > > > > > forced from the outside through conditions in and of > > themselves, it's > > > > > a matter of conscience that comes from within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judi, you talk as if this 'transformation' is a real thing. > > > > ****** Like I said, unless you know the way, you don't know at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that there exists a creature that can be > > > transformed......Perhaps you would tell us what transformation > > > actually is. > > > > ******** Do you see how you misunderstood and now you go on and on > > about it? > > > > > > > > > > Now don't get all mean and attack old toombaru.....Just tell us what > > > 'transformation' is......If you can. > > > > > > If you can't.....I will understand. > > > > > > > > ******** The seeking stops. Death. > > And like Martha Stuart says, " it's a good thing. " > > > > The seeking stops........One opens its eyes.......and everything old > is new again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It really comes down > > > > > to love - is it true of you, or is it not? > > > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can an idea be 'true' to a clot of ideas? > > > > > > While you are at it .......perhaps you could tell us what 'love' is. > > > > > > > ********** The absense of unlove. Iow, it's what's left when " self " - > > ishness is not. As Wayne put it, there is love, but only when you > > are not there. > > > > > > > There is love.....when you are here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********* > > > > Hence, the famous implosion from within. > > > > > > > > Do you dare look into what you're really doing, who and what you > > are? > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > We shall see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can see itself. > > > > ****** Just because you haven't done it, doesn't mean that it's not > > possible. There is an intelligence that sees, that is beyond > > thought. > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you been reading Shirley Mcklane again? > > > > > > > *********** I'll pretend you didn't say that. > > > > Judi > > > > > > > I will too......:-) > > It was mean spirited.......I bet she is really fun to be around. > > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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