Conflict in thoughts.

[Guest guest]

I noticed that mental conflicts and

suffering arise when I believe one

thought over the other. Suffering

arises when I think one thought is " me "

or " mine " and other thoughts are

external. Or, when I assume an

ownership of thoughts and think that

there is one thought that I " should "

have while others that I shouldn't

have. When I congratulate myself for

having one thought [and, thus forming

an ultimately painful attachment] and

blame myself for having another [and

thus creating suffering].

 

For example, I might have a lustful

thought followed little later by the

thought that " I shouldn't lust " . Then,

if I believe the thought of " I

shouldn't lust " more than the lustful

thought that I had earlier or assume

the ownership of either of them; I

create suffering. In reality, both

these thoughts might arise due to

external stimulus alone.

 

Watching deliberately and well-

targeted and carefully placed

provocative images of Britney Spears,

Madonna and likes might serve as the

stimulus for lustful thoughts. So can

hearing the stories of sexual escapades

of a friend or celebrity. While hearing

a Rabbi speak or reading the life of

Ramana might become a source of thought

" I should not lust " .

 

Once external stimulus is fed; I might

have little or no choice on having

these thoughts. These thoughts might

keep alternating while I alternate

being fed lust-stimulating images,

stories and movies and preached 'need

to be without lust' at another time

[from rabbi, priest].

 

Similarly, I might be fed the thought

of need to be thin by one source of

media [or friends, spouse or doctor]

while being fed the need to consume ice-

cream, candies, soda, chocolates,

burgers, pizza, and donuts by

stimulating and carefully-placed

advertisements [or just a natural

craving that occurs after having any

'addictive' food].

 

As I constantly alternate between

these two inputs, the thought of

" having to eat ice-cream " and " should

not eat ice-cream " too might keep

naturally alternating. Now, if I

believe that the thought that " I should

be thin " [or, that I should eat ice-

cream] is my own, original and I am

having it because of my 'choice' [and,

not because of what I heard, read from

media, friends, spouse, and doctor] - I

create suffering. If contrary to easily

available effectiveness of

advertisement and media, I believe I

really have a choice whether I should

or shouldn't have these thoughts - I

create suffering.

 

In reality, neither the thought " I

should eat ice-cream " nor " I should be

thin " are mine. These are really just

'repetition' of what is fed through

external inputs and I control the

occurrence of neither. When I clearly

see this, I stop blaming myself for

having one thought and congratulating

myself for having another. Then, if

required I might work to change my

inputs or just see and laugh at my

society that feeds me one thought from

one end and its opposing thought from

another...

[Guest guest]

> I noticed that mental conflicts and

> suffering arise when I believe one

> thought over the other.

 

Stephen Wolinsky was talking about this in his film on N, I AM THAT I

AM.

 

I also eat ice-cream and similar stuff, and I am aware of a small pot

belly forming. I don't think it's any big deal. N smoked those funny

cigarettes. I am not parabrahman, and I don't want a pot belly so I'm

cutting down on the ice-cream.

 

It's only habits, and there's nothing wrong with replacing bad habits

with good ones. After all that's what Buddhist's try to do. I mean, N

used to sing and pray, but he only did it because his guru asked him

to, & the reason behind it was to " seem " spiritual so as to attract

crowds. Somehow, I don't want to be an enlightened slob, eating ice

cream and MacDonalds all the time and occasionally mentioning to folk

that I don't exist. It doesn't fit the bill.

 

Also, N once said to someone that you have to take care of these

things, using words like " you can't leave a mess on one level [of

consciousness] before moving on to the next " .

 

While I can envisage a guru with a fetish for ice-cream, I find the

idea of a greedy fat slob somewhat unpalatable.

 

One of the hallmarks of Parabrahman is that is absolutely no fear,

accroding to N., and that is how one can recognise the state of

awareness of parabrahman.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno "

<jasondedonno wrote:

>

> > I noticed that mental conflicts and

> > suffering arise when I believe one

> > thought over the other.

>

> Stephen Wolinsky was talking about this in his film on N, I AM THAT

I

> AM.

>

> I also eat ice-cream and similar stuff, and I am aware of a small

pot

> belly forming. I don't think it's any big deal. N smoked those

funny

> cigarettes. I am not parabrahman, and I don't want a pot belly so

I'm

> cutting down on the ice-cream.

>

> It's only habits, and there's nothing wrong with replacing bad

habits

> with good ones. After all that's what Buddhist's try to do. I mean,

N

> used to sing and pray, but he only did it because his guru asked

him

> to, & the reason behind it was to " seem " spiritual so as to attract

> crowds. Somehow, I don't want to be an enlightened slob, eating ice

> cream and MacDonalds all the time and occasionally mentioning to

folk

> that I don't exist. It doesn't fit the bill.

>

> Also, N once said to someone that you have to take care of these

> things, using words like " you can't leave a mess on one level [of

> consciousness] before moving on to the next " .

>

> While I can envisage a guru with a fetish for ice-cream, I find the

> idea of a greedy fat slob somewhat unpalatable.

>

> One of the hallmarks of Parabrahman is that is absolutely no fear,

> accroding to N., and that is how one can recognise the state of

> awareness of parabrahman.

>

 

Conflict starts with *concern*.

 

So where does concern arise?

 

Parabrahman is no-concern.

 

Concern to be parabrahman is confict.

 

Concern to change oneself is conflict.

 

I just read an excellent talk by Krishnamurti

on the subject of change and changing oneself:

http://www.krishnamurti.oddech.com/strona_347.html

 

Bill

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno "

> <jasondedonno@> wrote:

> >

> > > I noticed that mental conflicts and

> > > suffering arise when I believe one

> > > thought over the other.

> >

> > Stephen Wolinsky was talking about this in his film on N, I AM

THAT

> I

> > AM.

> >

> > I also eat ice-cream and similar stuff, and I am aware of a

small

> pot

> > belly forming. I don't think it's any big deal. N smoked those

> funny

> > cigarettes. I am not parabrahman, and I don't want a pot belly

so

> I'm

> > cutting down on the ice-cream.

> >

> > It's only habits, and there's nothing wrong with replacing bad

> habits

> > with good ones. After all that's what Buddhist's try to do. I

mean,

> N

> > used to sing and pray, but he only did it because his guru asked

> him

> > to, & the reason behind it was to " seem " spiritual so as to

attract

> > crowds. Somehow, I don't want to be an enlightened slob, eating

ice

> > cream and MacDonalds all the time and occasionally mentioning to

> folk

> > that I don't exist. It doesn't fit the bill.

> >

> > Also, N once said to someone that you have to take care of these

> > things, using words like " you can't leave a mess on one level

[of

> > consciousness] before moving on to the next " .

> >

> > While I can envisage a guru with a fetish for ice-cream, I find

the

> > idea of a greedy fat slob somewhat unpalatable.

> >

> > One of the hallmarks of Parabrahman is that is absolutely no

fear,

> > accroding to N., and that is how one can recognise the state of

> > awareness of parabrahman.

> >

>

> Conflict starts with *concern*.

>

> So where does concern arise?

>

> Parabrahman is no-concern.

 

Who is " Parabrahman " ?

 

I was just talking about the " human "

that I am. The " human " that I know...

 

 

>

> Concern to be parabrahman is confict.

 

Maybe. Especially if I don't even know

what a " Parabrahman " is!

 

 

>

> Concern to change oneself is conflict.

 

I have noticed that when I really have

NO concerns... I am OK with having ANY

concern.

 

When I am really OK with " myself " ,

I notice that it is NOT " myself "

that I am changing...

 

I know I am just working on a 'conditioning'.

 

>

> I just read an excellent talk by Krishnamurti

> on the subject of change and changing oneself:

> http://www.krishnamurti.oddech.com/strona_347.html

 

I noticed that to be 'concerned' about

" not having concerns " is one of the

most self-defeating concern I can have.

 

 

Did you notice that too?

 

Regards,

ac.

 

>

> Bill

>