Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 For most of us, thoughts come in without invitation, - one thought after another: there is no end to thinking; the mind is a slave to every kind of vagrant thought. If you realize that, then you will see that there can be an invitation to thought, - an inviting of thought and then a pursuing of every thought that arises. For most of us, thought comes uninvited; it comes any old way. To understand that process, and then to invite thought and pursue that thought through to the end, is the whole process [of] awareness; and in that there is no naming. Then you will see that the mind becomes extraordinarily quiet, - not through fatigue, not through discipline, not through any form of self-torture and control. Through awareness of its own activities the mind becomes astonishingly quiet, still, creative, - without the action of any discipline, or any enforcement. J. Krishnamurti AMSTERDAM 5TH PUBLIC TALK 26TH MAY 1955 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > For most of us, thoughts come in without invitation, - one > thought after another: there is no end to thinking; the mind is > a slave to every kind of vagrant thought. If you realize that, > then you will see that there can be an invitation to thought, - > an inviting of thought and then a pursuing of every thought that > arises. For most of us, thought comes uninvited; it comes any > old way. To understand that process, and then to invite thought > and pursue that thought through to the end, is the whole process > [of] awareness; and in that there is no naming. Then you will > see that the mind becomes extraordinarily quiet, - not through > fatigue, not through discipline, not through any form of > self-torture and control. Through awareness of its own > activities the mind becomes astonishingly quiet, still, > creative, - without the action of any discipline, or any > enforcement. > > J. Krishnamurti Thanks Bill, I have read that text of K laready eralier and I was a bit startled. Who should be the doer, the invitor and which criteria should this 'doer' use to decide which thoughts to invite ? But then I realized that I misunderstood K. With 'invitation' he rather meant to accompany thought, to be it, to embrace it, hello-ing it fully aware without any resistance. Werner > AMSTERDAM 5TH PUBLIC TALK 26TH MAY 1955 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > For most of us, thoughts come in without invitation, - one > > thought after another: there is no end to thinking; the mind is > > a slave to every kind of vagrant thought. If you realize that, > > then you will see that there can be an invitation to thought, - > > an inviting of thought and then a pursuing of every thought that > > arises. For most of us, thought comes uninvited; it comes any > > old way. To understand that process, and then to invite thought > > and pursue that thought through to the end, is the whole process > > [of] awareness; and in that there is no naming. Then you will > > see that the mind becomes extraordinarily quiet, - not through > > fatigue, not through discipline, not through any form of > > self-torture and control. Through awareness of its own > > activities the mind becomes astonishingly quiet, still, > > creative, - without the action of any discipline, or any > > enforcement. > > > > J. Krishnamurti > > > Thanks Bill, > > I have read that text of K laready eralier and I was a bit startled. > Who should be the doer, the invitor and which criteria should > this 'doer' use to decide which thoughts to invite ? > > But then I realized that I misunderstood K. With 'invitation' he > rather meant to accompany thought, to be it, to embrace it, hello- ing > it fully aware without any resistance. > > Werner I love your " helloing it " ... and actually the " accompanying thought " is perfect, isn't it...hmmmm... indeed, whatever arises in awareness, be it thought *or otherwise*... seems that I can " accompany it " ... which is, as you say, to be it fully, to embrace it. Wow Werner! His way of putting it is rather formal... you have put it in down to earth blue-collar terms, and then some. I think his ( & your) suggestion is great because it turns the tables on the old bugaboo about " I tried to meditate but it was frustrating because I kept getting lost in thought. " Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > For most of us, thoughts come in without invitation, - one > > > thought after another: there is no end to thinking; the mind is > > > a slave to every kind of vagrant thought. If you realize that, > > > then you will see that there can be an invitation to thought, - > > > an inviting of thought and then a pursuing of every thought that > > > arises. For most of us, thought comes uninvited; it comes any > > > old way. To understand that process, and then to invite thought > > > and pursue that thought through to the end, is the whole process > > > [of] awareness; and in that there is no naming. Then you will > > > see that the mind becomes extraordinarily quiet, - not through > > > fatigue, not through discipline, not through any form of > > > self-torture and control. Through awareness of its own > > > activities the mind becomes astonishingly quiet, still, > > > creative, - without the action of any discipline, or any > > > enforcement. > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti > > > > > > Thanks Bill, > > > > I have read that text of K laready eralier and I was a bit > startled. > > Who should be the doer, the invitor and which criteria should > > this 'doer' use to decide which thoughts to invite ? > > > > But then I realized that I misunderstood K. With 'invitation' he > > rather meant to accompany thought, to be it, to embrace it, hello- > ing > > it fully aware without any resistance. > > > > Werner > > I love your " helloing it " ... > and actually the " accompanying thought " is perfect, > isn't it...hmmmm... indeed, whatever arises in awareness, > be it thought *or otherwise*... seems that I can " accompany > it " ... which is, as you say, to be it fully, to embrace it. > > Wow Werner! > > His way of putting it is rather formal... you have > put it in down to earth blue-collar terms, and then some. > > I think his ( & your) suggestion is great because it turns > the tables on the old bugaboo about " I tried to meditate > but it was frustrating because I kept getting lost in > thought. " > > Bill > the solidity of thought is my emptiness as the world passes through the river I am. flowing flowering opening and closing in the night air, in dreams of awakening, in dreams of a red rose, its sweetest fragrance, in rocks tied to clouds, evanescent, temporal YIL, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 This is a great thread! I am noticing that the one who feels the emotions that are connected to the thoughts, and the one who watches the one who feels... can both be watched from a third view point!... and that the thinking stops when those two beingness or thought forms, are watched!:-)) Stu " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > For most of us, thoughts come in without invitation, - one > > > thought after another: there is no end to thinking; the mind is > > > a slave to every kind of vagrant thought. If you realize that, > > > then you will see that there can be an invitation to thought, - > > > an inviting of thought and then a pursuing of every thought that > > > arises. For most of us, thought comes uninvited; it comes any > > > old way. To understand that process, and then to invite thought > > > and pursue that thought through to the end, is the whole process > > > [of] awareness; and in that there is no naming. Then you will > > > see that the mind becomes extraordinarily quiet, - not through > > > fatigue, not through discipline, not through any form of > > > self-torture and control. Through awareness of its own > > > activities the mind becomes astonishingly quiet, still, > > > creative, - without the action of any discipline, or any > > > enforcement. > > > > > > J. Krishnamurti > > > > > > Thanks Bill, > > > > I have read that text of K laready eralier and I was a bit > startled. > > Who should be the doer, the invitor and which criteria should > > this 'doer' use to decide which thoughts to invite ? > > > > But then I realized that I misunderstood K. With 'invitation' he > > rather meant to accompany thought, to be it, to embrace it, hello- > ing > > it fully aware without any resistance. > > > > Werner > > I love your " helloing it " ... > and actually the " accompanying thought " is perfect, > isn't it...hmmmm... indeed, whatever arises in awareness, > be it thought *or otherwise*... seems that I can " accompany > it " ... which is, as you say, to be it fully, to embrace it. > > Wow Werner! > > His way of putting it is rather formal... you have > put it in down to earth blue-collar terms, and then some. > > I think his ( & your) suggestion is great because it turns > the tables on the old bugaboo about " I tried to meditate > but it was frustrating because I kept getting lost in > thought. " > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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