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When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

 

When the 'I am all'

goes, 'I am' comes.

 

When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

 

Nisargadatta Maharaj

 

......

Era

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Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote:

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>

> When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

>

> When the 'I am all'

> goes, 'I am' comes.

>

> When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

>

> Nisargadatta Maharaj

>

> .....

> Era

>

 

 

 

Reality also includes I am.

 

 

toombaru

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" toombaru2006 " <lastrain " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> >

> > When the 'I am all'

> > goes, 'I am' comes.

> >

> > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> >

> > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> >

> > .....

> > Era

> >

>

>

>

> Reality also includes I am.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

-me too: I am I am ;)

 

aren't we all ? what is the fuss about...

 

Era

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Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual

wrote:

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>

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> > >

> > > When the 'I am all'

> > > goes, 'I am' comes.

> > >

> > > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > >

> > > .....

> > > Era

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Reality also includes I am.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> -me too: I am I am ;)

>

> aren't we all ? what is the fuss about...

>

> Era

>

have you know your true nature since chilhood so to speak...

or how did it happen ?

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote:

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>

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> > >

> > > When the 'I am all'

> > > goes, 'I am' comes.

> > >

> > > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > >

> > > .....

> > > Era

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Reality also includes I am.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> -me too: I am I am ;)

>

> aren't we all ? what is the fuss about...

>

> Era

>

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed.

 

 

 

Era...........what happened to you?

 

 

There is a new emptiness that is most pleasant.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> >

> > When the 'I am all'

> > goes, 'I am' comes.

> >

> > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> >

> > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> >

> > .....

> > Era

> >

>

>

 

Undeniably you have an idea what reality means to you, Toomb.

 

But do you know what reality meant to Niz ?

 

Werner

 

 

> Reality also includes I am.

>

>

> toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> > >

> > > When the 'I am all'

> > > goes, 'I am' comes.

> > >

> > > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > >

> > > .....

> > > Era

> > >

> >

> >

>

> Undeniably you have an idea what reality means to you, Toomb.

>

> But do you know what reality meant to Niz ?

>

> Werner

>

>

> > Reality also includes I am.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

 

 

 

The words that came through him percolate through mnemonic circularity

and the three part harmony breaks down the wall.....I am

naked....fearless......standing out in the open.

 

 

But..........the way some people smile....or a puppy.....can do the

same thing.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> >

> > When the 'I am all'

> > goes, 'I am' comes.

> >

> > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> >

> > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> >

> > .....

> > Era

> >

>

>

>

> Reality also includes I am.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

speaking for yourself, that is...

 

when the 'I' is gone,

what then?

 

why even call it Reality?

 

perhaps Nis says that as a way to

say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

 

fair enough

 

'I' = I-llusion.

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> > >

> > > When the 'I am all'

> > > goes, 'I am' comes.

> > >

> > > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > >

> > > .....

> > > Era

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Reality also includes I am.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> speaking for yourself, that is...

>

> when the 'I' is gone,

> what then?

>

> why even call it Reality?

>

> perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

>

> fair enough

>

> 'I' = I-llusion.

>

>

> Bill

>

 

 

Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

 

Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> > > >

> > > > When the 'I am all'

> > > > goes, 'I am' comes.

> > > >

> > > > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > >

> > > > .....

> > > > Era

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Reality also includes I am.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > speaking for yourself, that is...

> >

> > when the 'I' is gone,

> > what then?

> >

> > why even call it Reality?

> >

> > perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> > say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

> >

> > fair enough

> >

> > 'I' = I-llusion.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

>

> Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

>

> Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

> and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

>

 

words arise

simple enough

 

yet no 'who' anywhere

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When the 'I am myself' goes, the 'I am all' comes.

> > > > >

> > > > > When the 'I am all'

> > > > > goes, 'I am' comes.

> > > > >

> > > > > When even 'I am' goes, reality alone is... -

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > >

> > > > > .....

> > > > > Era

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Reality also includes I am.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > > speaking for yourself, that is...

> > >

> > > when the 'I' is gone,

> > > what then?

> > >

> > > why even call it Reality?

> > >

> > > perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> > > say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

> > >

> > > fair enough

> > >

> > > 'I' = I-llusion.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> >

> > Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

> >

> > Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

> > and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

> >

>

> words arise

> simple enough

>

> yet no 'who' anywhere

 

Sure Bill!

 

You seem to use language in a rather

interesting way. In my usage of language,

one can not respond 'as Bill' without an

identified 'who'.

 

But I gather that your usage is quite

different.

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<snip>

 

> > > >

> > > > speaking for yourself, that is...

> > > >

> > > > when the 'I' is gone,

> > > > what then?

> > > >

> > > > why even call it Reality?

> > > >

> > > > perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> > > > say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

> > > >

> > > > fair enough

> > > >

> > > > 'I' = I-llusion.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

> > >

> > > Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

> > > and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

> > >

> >

> > words arise

> > simple enough

> >

> > yet no 'who' anywhere

>

> Sure Bill!

>

> You seem to use language in a rather

> interesting way. In my usage of language,

> one can not respond 'as Bill' without an

> identified 'who'.

>

> But I gather that your usage is quite

> different.

>

 

hard for others to understand sometimes

(as in often)

 

imagine, for example, a little white tornado

of prajna emerging from the navel and entering

at the top of the head, to then descend " as a cloud "

down to emerge on keyboard as words typing.

 

no who ever in that.

 

just one example.

 

usually just the fingers move and words...

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > speaking for yourself, that is...

> > > > >

> > > > > when the 'I' is gone,

> > > > > what then?

> > > > >

> > > > > why even call it Reality?

> > > > >

> > > > > perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> > > > > say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > fair enough

> > > > >

> > > > > 'I' = I-llusion.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

> > > >

> > > > Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

> > > > and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

> > > >

> > >

> > > words arise

> > > simple enough

> > >

> > > yet no 'who' anywhere

> >

> > Sure Bill!

> >

> > You seem to use language in a rather

> > interesting way. In my usage of language,

> > one can not respond 'as Bill' without an

> > identified 'who'.

> >

> > But I gather that your usage is quite

> > different.

> >

>

> hard for others to understand sometimes

> (as in often)

>

> imagine, for example, a little white tornado

> of prajna emerging from the navel and entering

> at the top of the head, to then descend " as a cloud "

> down to emerge on keyboard as words typing.

>

>

> no who ever in that.

>

> just one example.

>

> usually just the fingers move and words...

>

 

In my usage, that would be just

a differenet way of speech, Bill!

 

If what you state above was the case,

I would call that 'little white tornado

of prajna' a " who " . An 'identified' " who " !

 

 

I notice that when this

'little white tornado of prajna'

rests as in deep sleep - there is

so no questions, no answers, no

explanations and no one to understand

or respond to the call of 'Arvind'

and 'Bill'.

 

 

Right now, when the " boss " calls

'Arvind' the identified consciouness

is there to respond.

 

I guess it might have been even true

for folks 'identified' as Ramana and Niz...

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > <snip>

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > speaking for yourself, that is...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when the 'I' is gone,

> > > > > > what then?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > why even call it Reality?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> > > > > > say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fair enough

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'I' = I-llusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

> > > > >

> > > > > Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

> > > > > and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > words arise

> > > > simple enough

> > > >

> > > > yet no 'who' anywhere

> > >

> > > Sure Bill!

> > >

> > > You seem to use language in a rather

> > > interesting way. In my usage of language,

> > > one can not respond 'as Bill' without an

> > > identified 'who'.

> > >

> > > But I gather that your usage is quite

> > > different.

> > >

> >

> > hard for others to understand sometimes

> > (as in often)

> >

> > imagine, for example, a little white tornado

> > of prajna emerging from the navel and entering

> > at the top of the head, to then descend " as a cloud "

> > down to emerge on keyboard as words typing.

> >

> >

> > no who ever in that.

> >

> > just one example.

> >

> > usually just the fingers move and words...

> >

>

> In my usage, that would be just

> a differenet way of speech, Bill!

>

> If what you state above was the case,

> I would call that 'little white tornado

> of prajna' a " who " . An 'identified' " who " !

>

>

> I notice that when this

> 'little white tornado of prajna'

> rests as in deep sleep - there is

> so no questions, no answers, no

> explanations and no one to understand

> or respond to the call of 'Arvind'

> and 'Bill'.

>

>

> Right now, when the " boss " calls

> 'Arvind' the identified consciouness

> is there to respond.

>

> I guess it might have been even true

> for folks 'identified' as Ramana and Niz...

>

 

in times past there was a " sense of I "

and a " sense of me " . Now there is none

of that.

 

It is as if in a vast vacuity, things

unfold.

 

Should the wind blow a sheet from the

clothesline across the yard, there is

no 'who' in that.

 

why speak of a 'who' when there is no

sense of one?

 

this started with the words:

'I' = I-llusion

 

revision:

sense of I = illusion

 

sense of me = illusion

 

sense of self = illusion

 

what is here is not anything

that coalesces around a meaningful term

 

what is here is not anything that coalesces

 

what is here

is not

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > <snip>

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > speaking for yourself, that is...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when the 'I' is gone,

> > > > > > what then?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > why even call it Reality?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> > > > > > say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fair enough

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'I' = I-llusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

> > > > >

> > > > > Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

> > > > > and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > words arise

> > > > simple enough

> > > >

> > > > yet no 'who' anywhere

> > >

> > > Sure Bill!

> > >

> > > You seem to use language in a rather

> > > interesting way. In my usage of language,

> > > one can not respond 'as Bill' without an

> > > identified 'who'.

> > >

> > > But I gather that your usage is quite

> > > different.

> > >

> >

> > hard for others to understand sometimes

> > (as in often)

> >

> > imagine, for example, a little white tornado

> > of prajna emerging from the navel and entering

> > at the top of the head, to then descend " as a cloud "

> > down to emerge on keyboard as words typing.

> >

> >

> > no who ever in that.

> >

> > just one example.

> >

> > usually just the fingers move and words...

> >

>

> In my usage, that would be just

> a differenet way of speech, Bill!

>

> If what you state above was the case,

> I would call that 'little white tornado

> of prajna' a " who " . An 'identified' " who " !

>

>

> I notice that when this

> 'little white tornado of prajna'

> rests as in deep sleep - there is

> so no questions, no answers, no

> explanations and no one to understand

> or respond to the call of 'Arvind'

> and 'Bill'.

>

>

> Right now, when the " boss " calls

> 'Arvind' the identified consciouness

> is there to respond.

>

> I guess it might have been even true

> for folks 'identified' as Ramana and Niz...

 

But, once the " sense of self " is gone

this 'identification' works in a different

way. Wheras, before it was like a concrete

entity almsot always in place and had solid

form identification via the heart knot - now,

it is just a 'function'* that the Consciouness

can perform.

 

 

 

----

 

* In place of acting like an always present

viel, the identification becomes a 'function'

of consciousness just like other functions

that Consciouness performs including memory,

thinking...

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> > >

> > > hard for others to understand sometimes

> > > (as in often)

> > >

> > > imagine, for example, a little white tornado

> > > of prajna emerging from the navel and entering

> > > at the top of the head, to then descend " as a cloud "

> > > down to emerge on keyboard as words typing.

> > >

> > >

> > > no who ever in that.

> > >

> > > just one example.

> > >

> > > usually just the fingers move and words...

> > >

> >

> > In my usage, that would be just

> > a differenet way of speech, Bill!

> >

> > If what you state above was the case,

> > I would call that 'little white tornado

> > of prajna' a " who " . An 'identified' " who " !

> >

> >

> > I notice that when this

> > 'little white tornado of prajna'

> > rests as in deep sleep - there is

> > so no questions, no answers, no

> > explanations and no one to understand

> > or respond to the call of 'Arvind'

> > and 'Bill'.

> >

> >

> > Right now, when the " boss " calls

> > 'Arvind' the identified consciouness

> > is there to respond.

> >

> > I guess it might have been even true

> > for folks 'identified' as Ramana and Niz...

>

> But, once the " sense of self " is gone

> this 'identification' works in a different

> way. Wheras, before it was like a concrete

> entity almsot always in place and had solid

> form identification via the heart knot - now,

> it is just a 'function'* that the Consciouness

> can perform.

 

yes

quite so

and good that you made that clarification.

 

we quite agree Arvind.

just different preferences on use

of terms.

 

Bill

 

>

>

> ----

>

> * In place of acting like an always present

> viel, the identification becomes a 'function'

> of consciousness just like other functions

> that Consciouness performs including memory,

> thinking...

>

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

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> <snip>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > speaking for yourself, that is...

> > > > >

> > > > > when the 'I' is gone,

> > > > > what then?

> > > > >

> > > > > why even call it Reality?

> > > > >

> > > > > perhaps Nis says that as a way to

> > > > > say, " As long as an 'I'... not Reality. "

> > > > >

> > > > > fair enough

> > > > >

> > > > > 'I' = I-llusion.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Let THAT " who " is 'gone'... speak ;)

> > > >

> > > > Let it say 'who' is 'gone', 'where'

> > > > and, 'who' is it that is speaking Now!

> > > >

> > >

> > > words arise

> > > simple enough

> > >

> > > yet no 'who' anywhere

> >

> > Sure Bill!

> >

> > You seem to use language in a rather

> > interesting way. In my usage of language,

> > one can not respond 'as Bill' without an

> > identified 'who'.

> >

> > But I gather that your usage is quite

> > different.

> >

>

> hard for others to understand sometimes

> (as in often)

>

> imagine, for example, a little white tornado

> of prajna emerging from the navel and entering

> at the top of the head, to then descend " as a cloud "

> down to emerge on keyboard as words typing.

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Evocative....beautiful.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> no who ever in that.

>

> just one example.

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> usually just the fingers move and words...

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