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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> any " sense of self " is false.

> surely that is clear.

>

> therefore, why speak of self?

>

 

 

In my usage, there is a differance

between the " sense of self " and

Self.

 

" sense of self " is just a thhougt

form. Self is beyond, before and

after the thought.

 

It is exitence, life whatever term

you like...

 

Self is who I am.

 

Self is who I am with, without,

within, beyond a form, name,

identification.

 

 

In my usage, saying that there

is no Self is life saying that

there is no Life, there is no

existence, I don't exist

i.e. it is self-evident

lie as even in order to

say " I am not " - I am.

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > any " sense of self " is false.

> > surely that is clear.

> >

> > therefore, why speak of self?

> >

>

>

> In my usage, there is a differance

> between the " sense of self " and

> Self.

>

> " sense of self " is just a thhougt

> form. Self is beyond, before and

> after the thought.

>

> It is exitence, life whatever term

> you like...

>

> Self is who I am.

>

> Self is who I am with, without,

> within, beyond a form, name,

> identification.

>

>

> In my usage, saying that there

> is no Self is life saying that

> there is no Life, there is no

> existence, I don't exist

> i.e. it is self-evident

> lie as even in order to

> say " I am not " - I am.

>

 

 

Thank you.

 

We seem to forget the first rule of advaita: not two, not one.

We find I am in I am not; however, I am is an on going process

processing the life of I Am.

 

Walking the balance between who I Am and who I Am not is a razor's

edge at first, awkward at best.

 

Eventually it is the only Way.

 

YIL,

Ana

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > any " sense of self " is false.

> > surely that is clear.

> >

> > therefore, why speak of self?

> >

>

>

> In my usage, there is a differance

> between the " sense of self " and

> Self.

>

> " sense of self " is just a thhougt

> form. Self is beyond, before and

> after the thought.

>

> It is exitence, life whatever term

> you like...

>

> Self is who I am.

>

> Self is who I am with, without,

> within, beyond a form, name,

> identification.

>

>

> In my usage, saying that there

> is no Self is life saying that

> there is no Life, there is no

> existence, I don't exist

> i.e. it is self-evident

> lie as even in order to

> say " I am not " - I am.

>

 

thank you for the cogent reply!

 

so for you, I take it, there is

Self, but no " sense " of that...

 

I am trying to understand...

 

in my case I might speak of Stillness...

and true... there is no " sense " of that...

it is just a word that seems to fit

 

but just now even

Stillness not a fit

 

no way to say

 

as if a Great Numbness

typing here

 

a tiny speck of love, though,

is embedded in the period

at the end of this sentence.

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > any " sense of self " is false.

> > > surely that is clear.

> > >

> > > therefore, why speak of self?

> > >

> >

> >

> > In my usage, there is a differance

> > between the " sense of self " and

> > Self.

> >

> > " sense of self " is just a thhougt

> > form. Self is beyond, before and

> > after the thought.

> >

> > It is exitence, life whatever term

> > you like...

> >

> > Self is who I am.

> >

> > Self is who I am with, without,

> > within, beyond a form, name,

> > identification.

> >

> >

> > In my usage, saying that there

> > is no Self is life saying that

> > there is no Life, there is no

> > existence, I don't exist

> > i.e. it is self-evident

> > lie as even in order to

> > say " I am not " - I am.

> >

>

>

> Thank you.

>

> We seem to forget the first rule of advaita: not two, not one.

> We find I am in I am not; however, I am is an on going process

> processing the life of I Am.

>

> Walking the balance between who I Am and who I Am not is a razor's

> edge at first, awkward at best.

>

> Eventually it is the only Way.

>

> YIL,

> Ana

>

 

I Am dies

in the

Eye-of-Non

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > any " sense of self " is false.

> > surely that is clear.

> >

> > therefore, why speak of self?

> >

>

>

> In my usage, there is a differance

> between the " sense of self " and

> Self.

>

> " sense of self " is just a thougt

> form.

 

In fact, " sense of self " is more

than just a thought form. There is

also a subtle feeling that is associated

with. That is what gives gave me a somewhat

steady sense of " localization " and

" form identification " - as if I was

'tied' into the form.

 

 

I think that is what Ramana called

the 'knot of heart' - yes, it did

feel in heart.

 

I notice that that 'knot' is no longer

there and as a consequence I feel like

not having a body, not having a location,

not having a form, not having a form

attachment - yet, everything works just

fine.

 

 

But, I also see that only 'knot' is

gone not the 'possiblity' of forming

knot. I guess, I always that possiblity

of forming that knot again.

 

 

 

> Self is beyond, before and

> after the thought.

 

 

Self is what remains after this " sense

of self " dissolves. It is just a name

to express existence - just like any

other name such as 'life'.

 

>

> It is exitence, life whatever term

> you like...

>

> Self is who I am.

>

> Self is who I am with, without,

> within, beyond a form, name,

> identification.

>

>

> In my usage, saying that there

> is no Self is life saying that

> there is no Life, there is no

> existence, I don't exist

> i.e. it is self-evident

> lie as even in order to

> say " I am not " - I am.

>

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > any " sense of self " is false.

> > > surely that is clear.

> > >

> > > therefore, why speak of self?

> > >

> >

> >

> > In my usage, there is a differance

> > between the " sense of self " and

> > Self.

> >

> > " sense of self " is just a thhougt

> > form. Self is beyond, before and

> > after the thought.

> >

> > It is exitence, life whatever term

> > you like...

> >

> > Self is who I am.

> >

> > Self is who I am with, without,

> > within, beyond a form, name,

> > identification.

> >

> >

> > In my usage, saying that there

> > is no Self is life saying that

> > there is no Life, there is no

> > existence, I don't exist

> > i.e. it is self-evident

> > lie as even in order to

> > say " I am not " - I am.

> >

>

>

> Thank you.

>

> We seem to forget the first rule of advaita: not two, not one.

> We find I am in I am not; however, I am is an on going process

> processing the life of I Am.

>

> Walking the balance between who I Am and who I Am not is a razor's

> edge at first, awkward at best.

>

> Eventually it is the only Way.

>

> YIL,

> Ana

>

 

 

 

What are you doing this late Lady?

 

I am feeling very sleepy now.

 

Good ninght and sweet " dreams " :)

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > any " sense of self " is false.

> > > surely that is clear.

> > >

> > > therefore, why speak of self?

> > >

> >

> >

> > In my usage, there is a differance

> > between the " sense of self " and

> > Self.

> >

> > " sense of self " is just a thhougt

> > form. Self is beyond, before and

> > after the thought.

> >

> > It is exitence, life whatever term

> > you like...

> >

> > Self is who I am.

> >

> > Self is who I am with, without,

> > within, beyond a form, name,

> > identification.

> >

> >

> > In my usage, saying that there

> > is no Self is life saying that

> > there is no Life, there is no

> > existence, I don't exist

> > i.e. it is self-evident

> > lie as even in order to

> > say " I am not " - I am.

> >

>

> thank you for the cogent reply!

>

> so for you, I take it, there is

> Self, but no " sense " of that...

>

> I am trying to understand...

>

> in my case I might speak of Stillness...

> and true... there is no " sense " of that...

> it is just a word that seems to fit

>

> but just now even

> Stillness not a fit

>

> no way to say

>

> as if a Great Numbness

> typing here

>

> a tiny speck of love, though,

> is embedded in the period

> at the end of this sentence.

>

 

 

Think of air that was trapped in

a baloon and thought it was a baloon.

 

Now, imagine that this baloon popped

and air merged with air, the universe...

 

Now, it still exits, it is still air

but, it is no longer trapped in baloon

and is no longer identified as baloon.

 

Merged with all that is, now it no

longer has a sense of 'locality',

a sense of 'boundary'. It no longer

knows - this is " me " and this is " not

me " . Yet, it still is. It still exists.

 

This is one way I would try to explain it.

 

still IS. It still exi

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > any " sense of self " is false.

> > > surely that is clear.

> > >

> > > therefore, why speak of self?

> > >

> >

> >

> > In my usage, there is a differance

> > between the " sense of self " and

> > Self.

> >

> > " sense of self " is just a thougt

> > form.

>

> In fact, " sense of self " is more

> than just a thought form. There is

> also a subtle feeling that is associated

> with. That is what gives gave me a somewhat

> steady sense of " localization " and

> " form identification " - as if I was

> 'tied' into the form.

>

>

> I think that is what Ramana called

> the 'knot of heart' - yes, it did

> feel in heart.

>

> I notice that that 'knot' is no longer

> there and as a consequence I feel like

> not having a body, not having a location,

> not having a form, not having a form

> attachment - yet, everything works just

> fine.

>

 

yes, but rather

no feeling of having a body

no feeling of having location

no feeling of form or attachment

yet all transpires of its own accord

 

with no center

no organizer

no originator or driver

 

you say you use the word " Self " just

as a word, much as " life "

 

the trouble is that conventionally

there are associations with the word

" self " as to what is " behind " what occurs,

what drives what occurs

 

so while one can define 'Self' as one likes

and assign it as you have

it seems to me that it brings

confusion to those who don't already

understand, because they have those

" other associations " with the term.

 

if what I say is confusing to someone

who already understands, that is not

a big problem, as they are already fine

anyway.

 

what is important is to minimize confusion

for those who *don't* already understand.

Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

I even be writing about this stuff?

 

Bill

 

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Nisargadatta , " " other associations " with the

term.

> .............

> if what I say is confusing to someone

> who already understands, that is not

> a big problem, as they are already fine

> anyway.

>

> what is important is to minimize confusion

> for those who *don't* already understand.

> Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> I even be writing about this stuff?

>

> Bill

 

maybe because ...once you took the attitude....just to write about

this " stuff " .......

 

one day.....maybe....this attitude is replaced by another one....

 

coming and going....

 

Marc

 

Ps: there is nobody " who " realy need this " stuff " .....except the

dream-bubble....in order to come to an end....again

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " " other associations " with the

> term.

> > .............

> > if what I say is confusing to someone

> > who already understands, that is not

> > a big problem, as they are already fine

> > anyway.

> >

> > what is important is to minimize confusion

> > for those who *don't* already understand.

> > Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> > I even be writing about this stuff?

> >

> > Bill

>

> maybe because ...once you took the attitude....just to write about

> this " stuff " .......

>

> one day.....maybe....this attitude is replaced by another one....

>

> coming and going....

>

> Marc

>

> Ps: there is nobody " who " realy need this " stuff " .....except the

> dream-bubble....in order to come to an end....again

> >

> >

>

 

none of this is " important " ...

 

we do what we do

 

the dream goes on

whether we know it as dream or not

 

which raises an interesting question, Marc:

does the dream-bubble really exist?

 

I am interested to see what answer you

dream up for that :)

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > any " sense of self " is false.

> > > > surely that is clear.

> > > >

> > > > therefore, why speak of self?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In my usage, there is a differance

> > > between the " sense of self " and

> > > Self.

> > >

> > > " sense of self " is just a thhougt

> > > form. Self is beyond, before and

> > > after the thought.

> > >

> > > It is exitence, life whatever term

> > > you like...

> > >

> > > Self is who I am.

> > >

> > > Self is who I am with, without,

> > > within, beyond a form, name,

> > > identification.

> > >

> > >

> > > In my usage, saying that there

> > > is no Self is life saying that

> > > there is no Life, there is no

> > > existence, I don't exist

> > > i.e. it is self-evident

> > > lie as even in order to

> > > say " I am not " - I am.

> > >

> >

> > thank you for the cogent reply!

> >

> > so for you, I take it, there is

> > Self, but no " sense " of that...

> >

> > I am trying to understand...

> >

> > in my case I might speak of Stillness...

> > and true... there is no " sense " of that...

> > it is just a word that seems to fit

> >

> > but just now even

> > Stillness not a fit

> >

> > no way to say

> >

> > as if a Great Numbness

> > typing here

> >

> > a tiny speck of love, though,

> > is embedded in the period

> > at the end of this sentence.

> >

>

>

> Think of air that was trapped in

> a baloon and thought it was a baloon.

>

> Now, imagine that this baloon popped

> and air merged with air, the universe...

>

> Now, it still exits, it is still air

> but, it is no longer trapped in baloon

> and is no longer identified as baloon.

>

> Merged with all that is, now it no

> longer has a sense of 'locality',

> a sense of 'boundary'. It no longer

> knows - this is " me " and this is " not

> me " . Yet, it still is. It still exists.

>

> This is one way I would try to explain it.

>

> still IS. It still exi

>

 

I like your explanation...

maybe drawing a bit different conclusion.

 

before the air left the balloon

it mistakenly thought of itself as " the balloon " .

 

but was it only the air inside that made that mistake,

or was it the air of the entire vastness that made

that mistake?

 

when the air has left the balloon the " air inside

the balloon " does not exist as separate from the

air of the entire vastness.

 

now it is just the air of the entire vastness.

 

when the bubble that was " Bill " popped

there was no long any container here.

 

just this Vastness

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " " other associations " with

the

> > term.

> > > .............

> > > if what I say is confusing to someone

> > > who already understands, that is not

> > > a big problem, as they are already fine

> > > anyway.

> > >

> > > what is important is to minimize confusion

> > > for those who *don't* already understand.

> > > Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> > > I even be writing about this stuff?

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> > maybe because ...once you took the attitude....just to write

about

> > this " stuff " .......

> >

> > one day.....maybe....this attitude is replaced by another one....

> >

> > coming and going....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Ps: there is nobody " who " realy need this " stuff " .....except the

> > dream-bubble....in order to come to an end....again

> > >

> > >

> >

>

> none of this is " important " ...

 

-yes

>

> we do what we do

 

-yes.....there is nobody and nothing " who/what " lead us to

do...whatever......except the little mind....busy....:)

>

> the dream goes on

> whether we know it as dream or not

 

-the " dream " ...in reality....is fiction....

 

there is nobody " who " could " know the dream as dream " ...and continue

to " dream " ....

i mean...i have no problem if you like dreams.....but thats your

business...and " stuff " .....

>

> which raises an interesting question, Marc:

> does the dream-bubble really exist?

>

> I am interested to see what answer you

> dream up for that :)

 

so you suggest that i need to " dream " an answer....to this

your " interesting " question....?....:)

 

maybe it's interesting for the little busy mind....working..... " who "

knows....:)

 

the dream can only be " seen " as dream.....when there is Self-

realisation....

 

the dream exist ....appearing to be real only......inside the dream-

bubble

 

when there is Self(awareness)....there has never been any

movement.....or creation....or dream....or life....or birth....or

death....or interesting questions

 

 

Marc

 

 

>

>

> Bill

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " " other associations " with

> the

> > > term.

> > > > .............

> > > > if what I say is confusing to someone

> > > > who already understands, that is not

> > > > a big problem, as they are already fine

> > > > anyway.

> > > >

> > > > what is important is to minimize confusion

> > > > for those who *don't* already understand.

> > > > Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> > > > I even be writing about this stuff?

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > >

> > > maybe because ...once you took the attitude....just to write

> about

> > > this " stuff " .......

> > >

> > > one day.....maybe....this attitude is replaced by another one....

> > >

> > > coming and going....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Ps: there is nobody " who " realy need this " stuff " .....except the

> > > dream-bubble....in order to come to an end....again

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > none of this is " important " ...

>

> -yes

> >

> > we do what we do

>

> -yes.....there is nobody and nothing " who/what " lead us to

> do...whatever......except the little mind....busy....:)

> >

> > the dream goes on

> > whether we know it as dream or not

>

> -the " dream " ...in reality....is fiction....

>

> there is nobody " who " could " know the dream as dream " ...and continue

> to " dream " ....

> i mean...i have no problem if you like dreams.....but thats your

> business...and " stuff " .....

> >

> > which raises an interesting question, Marc:

> > does the dream-bubble really exist?

> >

> > I am interested to see what answer you

> > dream up for that :)

>

> so you suggest that i need to " dream " an answer....to this

> your " interesting " question....?....:)

>

> maybe it's interesting for the little busy mind....working..... " who "

> knows....:)

>

> the dream can only be " seen " as dream.....when there is Self-

> realisation....

>

> the dream exist ....appearing to be real only......inside the dream-

> bubble

>

> when there is Self(awareness)....there has never been any

> movement.....or creation....or dream....or life....or birth....or

> death....or interesting questions

>

>

> Marc

 

more succintly then...

does the dream-bubble exist?

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " " other associations "

with

> > the

> > > > term.

> > > > > .............

> > > > > if what I say is confusing to someone

> > > > > who already understands, that is not

> > > > > a big problem, as they are already fine

> > > > > anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > what is important is to minimize confusion

> > > > > for those who *don't* already understand.

> > > > > Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> > > > > I even be writing about this stuff?

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > > maybe because ...once you took the attitude....just to write

> > about

> > > > this " stuff " .......

> > > >

> > > > one day.....maybe....this attitude is replaced by another

one....

> > > >

> > > > coming and going....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Ps: there is nobody " who " realy need this " stuff " .....except

the

> > > > dream-bubble....in order to come to an end....again

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > none of this is " important " ...

> >

> > -yes

> > >

> > > we do what we do

> >

> > -yes.....there is nobody and nothing " who/what " lead us to

> > do...whatever......except the little mind....busy....:)

> > >

> > > the dream goes on

> > > whether we know it as dream or not

> >

> > -the " dream " ...in reality....is fiction....

> >

> > there is nobody " who " could " know the dream as dream " ...and

continue

> > to " dream " ....

> > i mean...i have no problem if you like dreams.....but thats your

> > business...and " stuff " .....

> > >

> > > which raises an interesting question, Marc:

> > > does the dream-bubble really exist?

> > >

> > > I am interested to see what answer you

> > > dream up for that :)

> >

> > so you suggest that i need to " dream " an answer....to this

> > your " interesting " question....?....:)

> >

> > maybe it's interesting for the little busy

mind....working..... " who "

> > knows....:)

> >

> > the dream can only be " seen " as dream.....when there is Self-

> > realisation....

> >

> > the dream exist ....appearing to be real only......inside the

dream-

> > bubble

> >

> > when there is Self(awareness)....there has never been any

> > movement.....or creation....or dream....or life....or birth....or

> > death....or interesting questions

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> more succintly then...

> does the dream-bubble exist?

 

 

as much as your dream during last existed.....:)

 

i wrote you more words about the subject than i should have written

 

up to " you " ....Now.....and also Here

 

Marc

 

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " " other associations " with the

> term.

> > .............

> > if what I say is confusing to someone

> > who already understands, that is not

> > a big problem, as they are already fine

> > anyway.

> >

> > what is important is to minimize confusion

> > for those who *don't* already understand.

> > Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> > I even be writing about this stuff?

> >

> > Bill

>

> maybe because ...once you took the attitude....just to write about

> this " stuff " .......

>

> one day.....maybe....this attitude is replaced by another one....

>

> coming and going....

>

> Marc

>

> Ps: there is nobody " who " realy need this " stuff " .....except the

> dream-bubble....in order to come to an end....again

 

 

....(have been talking about this your own dream-bubble....because

there is no " other " )

 

Marc

 

 

> >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

<pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " " other associations "

> with

> > > the

> > > > > term.

> > > > > > .............

> > > > > > if what I say is confusing to someone

> > > > > > who already understands, that is not

> > > > > > a big problem, as they are already fine

> > > > > > anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what is important is to minimize confusion

> > > > > > for those who *don't* already understand.

> > > > > > Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> > > > > > I even be writing about this stuff?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > maybe because ...once you took the attitude....just to

write

> > > about

> > > > > this " stuff " .......

> > > > >

> > > > > one day.....maybe....this attitude is replaced by another

> one....

> > > > >

> > > > > coming and going....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps: there is nobody " who " realy need

this " stuff " .....except

> the

> > > > > dream-bubble....in order to come to an end....again

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > none of this is " important " ...

> > >

> > > -yes

> > > >

> > > > we do what we do

> > >

> > > -yes.....there is nobody and nothing " who/what " lead us to

> > > do...whatever......except the little mind....busy....:)

> > > >

> > > > the dream goes on

> > > > whether we know it as dream or not

> > >

> > > -the " dream " ...in reality....is fiction....

> > >

> > > there is nobody " who " could " know the dream as dream " ...and

> continue

> > > to " dream " ....

> > > i mean...i have no problem if you like dreams.....but thats

your

> > > business...and " stuff " .....

> > > >

> > > > which raises an interesting question, Marc:

> > > > does the dream-bubble really exist?

> > > >

> > > > I am interested to see what answer you

> > > > dream up for that :)

> > >

> > > so you suggest that i need to " dream " an answer....to this

> > > your " interesting " question....?....:)

> > >

> > > maybe it's interesting for the little busy

> mind....working..... " who "

> > > knows....:)

> > >

> > > the dream can only be " seen " as dream.....when there is Self-

> > > realisation....

> > >

> > > the dream exist ....appearing to be real only......inside the

> dream-

> > > bubble

> > >

> > > when there is Self(awareness)....there has never been any

> > > movement.....or creation....or dream....or life....or

birth....or

> > > death....or interesting questions

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > more succintly then...

> > does the dream-bubble exist?

>

>

> as much as your dream during last existed.....:)

>

> i wrote you more words about the subject than i should have written

>

> up to " you " ....Now.....and also Here

>

> Marc

>

>

>

> >

>

 

 

 

when the dreamer falls in love

with the dream

the dream falls in love with the

dreamer

endlessly

 

when the wave returns to the ocean blue

the feel of water

rushes to the shore

and the scent of salt

fills the air

 

when the sky is filled with clouds

some dark some light

and the thunder crashes and the

lightning zigzags

the sun is obscured

 

when shining stars fill the night

the moon fills the sky

the curtain descends in silver gowns

gives way to a night of Love

 

when wings take flight in a

beating bleeding heart

grace flows from the open heart cave

and the dreamer awkakens,

another day is born.

 

YIL,

Ana

 

7/4/06

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> any " sense of self " is false.

> surely that is clear.

>

> therefore, why speak of self?

>

 

 

Of what else can be spoken?

 

 

toombaru

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> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > any " sense of self " is false.

> > > > surely that is clear.

> > > >

> > > > therefore, why speak of self?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In my usage, there is a differance

> > > between the " sense of self " and

> > > Self.

> > >

> > > " sense of self " is just a thougt

> > > form.

> >

> > In fact, " sense of self " is more

> > than just a thought form. There is

> > also a subtle feeling that is associated

> > with. That is what gives gave me a somewhat

> > steady sense of " localization " and

> > " form identification " - as if I was

> > 'tied' into the form.

> >

> >

> > I think that is what Ramana called

> > the 'knot of heart' - yes, it did

> > feel in heart.

> >

> > I notice that that 'knot' is no longer

> > there and as a consequence I feel like

> > not having a body, not having a location,

> > not having a form, not having a form

> > attachment - yet, everything works just

> > fine.

> >

>

> yes, but rather

> no feeling of having a body

> no feeling of having location

> no feeling of form or attachment

> yet all transpires of its own accord

>

> with no center

> no organizer

> no originator or driver

>

> you say you use the word " Self " just

> as a word, much as " life "

>

> the trouble is that conventionally

> there are associations with the word

> " self " as to what is " behind " what occurs,

> what drives what occurs

>

> so while one can define 'Self' as one likes

> and assign it as you have

> it seems to me that it brings

> confusion to those who don't already

> understand, because they have those

> " other associations " with the term.

>

> if what I say is confusing to someone

> who already understands, that is not

> a big problem, as they are already fine

> anyway.

>

> what is important is to minimize confusion

> for those who *don't* already understand.

> Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> I even be writing about this stuff?

>

> Bill

>

> <snip>

>

 

 

 

Bill................there are no others.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

>

> >

> > more succintly then...

> > does the dream-bubble exist?

> >

>

>

>

Nes

>

 

my first heart laugh of the day!!!

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > more succintly then...

> > > does the dream-bubble exist?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nes

> >

>

> my first heart laugh of the day!!!

>

 

meant to say " hearty " but... well!

heart laugh even better!

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> >

> > what is important is to minimize confusion

> > for those who *don't* already understand.

> > Indeed, if it weren't for those, why would

> > I even be writing about this stuff?

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > <snip>

> >

>

>

>

> Bill................there are no others.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

is that why you've relaxed so

to just be a Happy Buddha? :)

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