Fwd: Re Realization ? ?

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GuruRatings , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

 

GuruRatings , " cfmspencer " <cfmspencer@>

wrote:

>

> GuruRatings , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > When I hear stories of gurus from their close

> > associates - I hear the incidence to common

> > human emotions that occur in other humans

> > too.

> >

> > Based on this data, realization as in " always

> > happy " or " always peaceful " looks false or

> > at least 'not yet achieved by any human'.

> >

>

> Arvind,

>

> IMO, one of the most often mis-stated,

> misunderstood, mis-represented aspects of our

> 'true nature' is this idea that all will be bliss,

> happiness, love, joy, total lack of suffering, etc.

>

> ...the misunderstanding is exemplified with the word nirvana,

> which has come to mean unending bliss, peace, etc.

>

> why few ever seem to call 'bullshit' on this is

> something I just don't understand.

>

> clay

>

 

Thanks Clay!

 

 

I don't know why that is.

 

I can guess that maybe, it is

something commercial i.e. they tell

their " customers " [chelas] what they

want to " buy " [hear]. It is possible

that if the idea of 'eternal

happiness', 'eternal bliss' and

everlasting love was taken out of

realization - many " clients " [seekers]

would back out.

 

My second guess is that they might

believe that " when " they are

" enlightened " - they are " perfectly

happy " but, when they are not

" perfectly happy " they are not

enlightened i.e. 'nirvana' is a 'state'

and not a 'transformation'.

 

 

Like when

you are in deep sleep, you are free of

all worries, you are just yourself, you

are " happy " but just because you enter

deep sleep every night doesn't mean

that you are 'permanently transformed'.

i.e. you can enter and exit 'nirvana'

just like you enter and exit 'deep

sleep'.

 

In this way, nirvana is nothing

but the state of deep sleep while awake

but, the process of entering 'nirvana'

doesn't destroy your " potential " to

enter 'samsara' and 'dukha' again and,

even Buddha [as a person] may not have

its permanent adobe in 'nirvana'.

 

 

At any time, mind has many

'possibilities'. Entering 'nirvana'

[deep sleep like state while awake]

open one more possibility, one more

door but, it doesn't automatically

close all other possibilities like

rage, anger, hate, jealousy, lust,

attachment, samsara, dukha.

 

Your tendency might gravitate more towards

the one you find more pleasant [which

would be normally nirvana] but, it

would not automatically establish you

there in a permanent way.

 

And, event called enlightenment is

simply the name given to the first

entry into 'nirvana' but it is not

an automatic, permanent end of

all other 'mind states' and all other

'mental possibilities'.

 

 

 

Is that your experience too?