WE ARE THE FRINGE PEOPLE ( T / ~*~ Confidential)

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> We are the fringe people,

> The legions that are numbers

> We are the dying and the dead

> Not worth much to the living

> To the process of civilizations

> We are untold unspoken unknown individuality

> Plurality censured, condescended and abstracted

> In volitional violation of basic human rights,

> We are the numbers of the dying

> We are third world hunger and thirst, disease, ethnic

> Cleansing and elimination by unnatural selection

> We are first world ravages of death by declaration

> Of proximity, of insurgence and riot and terror by hate,

> We are living on the outskirts of polite society, we

> Are silent, we are hidden away and never dealt with

> In a fashion of compassion or warm-hearted spirit,

> We are hidden in the recesses of the minds who choose

> To relinquish those who are unlike unloved unneeded and

> Unheeded renditions of what humanity looks like in

> The contortions and stench of the dying, who belong to

> The masses of no one special.

>

> Legions.

>

>

> YIL,

> Ana

>

> 7/3/06

>

 

 

Beautiful!

 

(but)

 

There is an artificial Chinese firewall, cultivated for milennia

through ritual and metaritual, protoritual, between the center and the

fringe, inner and outer, etc., ad infinitum, as we all here are here

to know.

 

It is manic depressive (another word for history, or hystery, or

howstory, etc., etc.). There's really no difference between agony and

ecstasy, love and hate, contempt and compassion, adulation and

abandonment.

 

Alternatively, beyond manic depression, rage and ribaldry, there's a

permanent half solution, another (in)stability, one might call

" enlightenment, " or The Perennially Half Serious. Here's a recent off

line exchange between ~*~ and T:

 

~*~ :

 

You seem sullen, rather than either neutral or

indifferent. I get the

feeling that this sullenness has gotten you the love and attention you

could not get otherwise. No offense: whatever " works " ! A very clear

image is evoked, for me. Whether projection or not.

 

 

 

T:

 

 

Come and be with me.......see if I am sullen.

 

 

 

T:

 

 

Looking out through the I-s of the conceptual

overlay..... only the movement on the surface can be experienced.

 

There is a Naturalness.......but it is forever beyond the thinking mind.

 

When you name a 'feeling' it becomes a thing.....a separate

thing.....it has meaning only in relativity.......which is no meaning

at all.

 

 

 

~*~ :

 

 

Aren't you assuming that there is separation?

 

In either case, even " no meaning " has meaning for me. Notes in

the music.

 

Don't you care to dance with those others? The ones who pose " no

meaning " ? Of course, you can't tell till .... you have

to " be " there ...

 

I know it isn't what we say/are, but how we say/are " it. "

 

There's a way to dance with them all, with them all, I've found,

on rare occasion...

 

 

 

 

 

 

T:

 

 

I am dancing with myself.

 

 

 

~*~ :

 

 

Who isn't?

 

Yes, perhaps you're aware of it, whereas others may not be.

 

In any case, in dancing, the " myself " is both Brahman and Atman. Why

have they chosen to name you " myself " instead of Krishna, or

Universe, or

husband or wife? I know, your answer is part of the dance. But the

name of the dance appears to be, sovereignty, or isolation, or

self-sufficiency, or island in and of itself. All of which are

nevertheless Brahman/Atman.

 

There is unity and there is separation and this is all unity.

 

 

 

T:

 

Those are part of the conceptual overlay.

 

They are opposing opposites.

 

They are meaningless.

 

They are reflections on the surface.

 

Go deeper.

 

 

 

 

~*~ :

 

 

Ditto: go deeper

 

(And in response to " Come and be with me.......see if I am

sullen. "

 

go deeper)

 

 

 

 

later, ~*~ added:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Half Past Mortem (P.M.)

 

p.m. (too dark): Anything more than half serious is, at most, only 6'

shallow.

 

No problem:

 

Well, very well indeed, now that makes for a deep subject!

 

But dis-ease, anything tense and taut, is always poorly and only

curse-orally taught.

 

Good humor, like slow water, runs deep.

 

(Response to Toombaru's " go deeper. " )

 

~~ May I post the above on Nis, within the context of our off line

interchange, i.e., " go deeper " ? If not, I'll just post without

reference to your illustrious name.

 

 

T:

 

 

Post whatever comes.

 

 

 

~*~ :

 

Thank you for your deliberately spontaneous and naturally thought out

response.

 

;-)