Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life as it comes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can become a bad spell only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you let the mind decide whats > > > > > > real... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is you outside of mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind creates outside and inside... > > > > > > > > > > > > but the uncreated Self is not outside or > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > > > ...its not a creation of the mind > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of those ideas..........came from > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all ideas comes from the mind...ok > > > > > > > > > > but beyond the mind and all its > > > > > > activities... > > > > > > > > > > there is a " reality " not created by the > > > > > > mind... > > > > > > > > > > and this " reality " is there independently of > > > > > > the mind and > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > activities...now we all know that the word > > > > > > " reality " is just > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > mind- > > > > > > > > > > creation...all that is written here is mere > > > > > > words...so dont > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > stuck to the words and ideas and > > > > > > thoughts...if there is no > > > > > > > > > > relasionship with the mind at all...it > > > > > > dances in perfect > > > > > > harmony > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of those ideas came from mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you know your own true Self ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing can know itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > nisargadatta in his own words: > > > > > > " When you know what you are, you also are what you > > > > > > know. Between > > > > > > knowing and being there is no gap. To know what you > > > > > > are, you must go > > > > > > beyond the mind. Awareness is the point at which the > > > > > > mind reaches > > > > > > out beyond itself into reality. In awareness you > > > > > > seek not what > > > > > > pleases, but what is true. " > > > > > > > > > > > > any coment on the " Nothing can know itself. " > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > can the ocean know itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to know your own nature is living knowledge > > > > to know mind-stuff is dead knowledge > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > there is no 'I' that knows my-own-nature > > > > > > but What Is is alive and vital with a knowingness > > > that runs Oh! so deep! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > the " living " is YOU...I am the living ... > > I know this living light by being (it) > > > > ...iietsa > > > > you call it " YOU " > I call it " What Is " > > I say what " fits " for me... > there is no logic for that. > > there is no point in arguing that > I should be willing to call it " Self " . > At this time I am not... because > the word simply does not " fit " for me. > Not a logic thing, more a chemistry thing. > > I am learning to be at peace with your > preference for the term " Self " > (not that it is easy! > > perhaps you can be at peace with my > coolness to that term. > > Bill > any word will do as long as I understand what you are saying to me the words " I am " and " true Self " stands nearer to X than the words " what is " ...of corse any words are miles from X... iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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