Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to the hall to question Ma-Tzu: What are you aiming at by sitting there in meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking that the old man had lost his marbles, asked: What are you doing? Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? _______________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " <beatnik_brother wrote: > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking that > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > What are you doing? > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > nice story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking that > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > What are you doing? > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > nice story... > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a mirror. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking that > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a mirror. > > > > > toombaru > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself doesn't change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking that > > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a > mirror. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself doesn't > change. > s mirror on the ground reflects clouds passing by, empty sky gives flight to wings step on the mirror, shatter the glass sunlight dancss in broken shards, bleeding feet stain grass red, touches neither the clouds nor the sky. Gassho to a grasshopper. Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking that > > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a > mirror. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself doesn't > change. > A mirror is nothing without something to reflect. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking that > > > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a > > mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself doesn't > > change. > > > > > > A mirror is nothing without something to reflect. > > > toombaru > Will we ever be empty enough to reflect nothing? I keep trying and the more I try the dirtier the mirror gets. A little like that picture of Dorian Gray. Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > > > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking > that > > > > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a > > > mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself > doesn't > > > change. > > > > > > > > > > > A mirror is nothing without something to reflect. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Will we ever be empty enough to reflect nothing? > > I keep trying and the more I try the dirtier the mirror gets. > > A little like that picture of Dorian Gray. > > > > Ana > Peeling layers of onions reveals many surprises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > > > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking > that > > > > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a > > > mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself > doesn't > > > change. > > > > > > > > > > > A mirror is nothing without something to reflect. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Will we ever be empty enough to reflect nothing? > > I keep trying and the more I try the dirtier the mirror gets. > > A little like that picture of Dorian Gray. > > > > Ana > The object......the mirror......the reflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > > > > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > > > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > > > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > > > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > > > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > > > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > > > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > > > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > > > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking > > that > > > > > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a > > > > mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself > > doesn't > > > > change. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A mirror is nothing without something to reflect. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Will we ever be empty enough to reflect nothing? > > > > I keep trying and the more I try the dirtier the mirror gets. > > > > A little like that picture of Dorian Gray. > > > > > > > > Ana > > The object......the mirror......the reflection. The writer......the ink.........the word > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " brother beatnik " > > > > > <beatnik_brother@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu (709-788) was one of the great early masters > > > > > > of Chan (Zen) in China. Ma-Tzu studied under Nan-yueh, > > > > > > a student of the great sixth ancestor of Chan, Hui Neng. > > > > > > Whenever Ma-Tzu had time he would go to the meditation > > > > > > hall and meditate. Somebody noticed this behaviour and > > > > > > brought it before Master Nan-yueh. Nan-yueh went to > > > > > > the hall to question Ma-Tzu: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you aiming at by sitting there in > > > > > > meditation like that? What are you hoping to achieve? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu replied: I want to become a buddha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon hearing this the master picked up a ceramic tile and > > > > > > frantically began rubbing it. A shocked Ma-Tzu, thinking > that > > > > > > the old man had lost his marbles, asked: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are you doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: I'm polishing the tile to make it into a mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma-Tzu: How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan-yueh: How can a sitting meditation make a buddha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice story... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sitting meditation cannot make a buddha.....but it can make a > > > mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, a mirror reflects many things but the mirror itself > doesn't > > > change. > > > > > > > > > > > A mirror is nothing without something to reflect. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Will we ever be empty enough to reflect nothing? > > I keep trying and the more I try the dirtier the mirror gets. > > A little like that picture of Dorian Gray. > > > > Ana > It may be an gruelling road, but even Oscar and his friend will find a scintillating gem after the dust settles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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