Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 --- iietsa <iietsa a écrit : > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how did your real Self find itself ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is something wrong with this > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > it is more: how did the false sense of > self end? > > > > > > > > > > > > what is left is What Is... > > > > > > > > > > > > you may call What Is your real Self... but > that > > > > > > seems an odd term to me, as it (seems to > me) > > > > > > connotes a *distinctness*, a definite > something > > > > > > that is the " real Self " . > > > > > > > > > > > > I find no such distinctness at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > here there is just the open > UN-distinctness of What Is. > > > > > > > > > > > > ever-open, ever new. > > > > > > > > > > > > so I don't like that term " real Self " > > > > > > > > > > > > as for " How did the false sense of self > end? " > > > > > > > > > > > > there was a disindentification with the > origination > > > > > > of thoughts and feelings. Thoughts and > feelings were > > > > > > seen to be arising of their own... and > belonging to > > > > > > no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently the false sense of self [the > word 'false' > > > > > > is redundant there!] IS identification > with the origination > > > > > > of thoughts and feelings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: any " sense of self " is false, is > illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > thanks Bill > > > > > when you are the true Self....that very Self > is the treasure > > > > > ....pure light....the meaning itself.... > > > > > all esle is nonsense(illusions) > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > so often, for many of us, we are just haggling > over > > > > preferences about words... > > > > > > > > which is okay > > > > > > > > but it has been dawning on me, > > > > especially as I started digging in > > > > to find out what people really meant > > > > by " I am " etc. > > > > > > > > lots of surprises. > > > > > > > > I resist the terms " I " and " self/Self " > > > > because they seem *so* personal to me > > > > and to me it is not personal... > > > > it is magnificently, wonderfully > > > > beyond personal > > > > > > > > but then the personal does come in > > > > in some wonderful ways, too > > > > > > > > like the chuckle I get when I see > > > > toombaru loosen up ) > > > > > > > > so personal/impersonal > > > > > > > > but hey! > > > > at least let's give the Impersonal > > > > equal time here! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Note: this all reminds me of the Hindu > > > > discussions about the personal vs. > > > > impersonal aspects of God > > > > > > > personal..impersonal...mere words...trying to > say what ? > > > iietsa > > > > > > > this whole conversation trying to say what? > > > > if we are not connecting we are not connecting... > > > > Bill > > > the real is > wheter there is a story going on or not does not > matter > ...all thats going on here is mere story > the real stands beyond watching...not involved > story this story that...ok, not ok...story > I ask a question and someone says I am asking for > stories... > of course I am.... > ...and all the answers given on this list is story > too... > stories is all there is...and if followed rightly > they will let you > know who you are...and if followed wrongly you > believe that you are > what you are not.... > if a question is seen in the wrong way...it leads > you astray > and if an answer is heard in the deafh ear...it > makes you a zoombie > and a lost zoombie can still go parroting " I am the > one " > or it can say " I am a lost zoombie " ..... > iietsa you and Bill are saying the same thing. > > > > > > _________________________ Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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