Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 J: Guess again, you'd be the first one he'd throw out. Go figure... P: I guess you'll be second? You're the SM guru per excellance! Your motto should be: Let me be your sadist, and your suffering will set you free. Thanks, but no thanks. NNB > P: Did you guess I was being sarcastic, my aging love? > If you didn't, vitamin b12, and cutting on the booze > will help. But when you're right, you're right! He wouldn't > have put up with this blabbering bunch. Only you, and I'd > have been allowed to sit quietly in his presence > listening, and chewing our tobacco wads. > ************** Here, from the ranch this morning.. > *************** > > > .. you keep trying to analyze yourself out of your > suffering. > > > It doesn't work like that. How many times and how many different > > ways > > > have I said, the way to it is through it? Instead of all this > > mental > > > activity, you must throw yourself into your suffering and stop > with > > > all this trying to get on top of it. There is no " on top of it " . > > > Whenever you find yourself suffering, instead of backing away > from > > > it, go in the opposite direction and throw yourself into it. > > > Mentally, emotionally and physically. But, look on the bright > side, > > > you get better than a front row seat, you get to be the > sacrifical > > > goat at the feast. :-) > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > ************* > > Now, for any of you new guys here, when I say throw yourself into > > your suffering, that DOESN'T mean to get into dramatizing it. > > Iow, no pity parties. Certainly crying is allowed, but no wallowing. > > Surely, there's enough idiot, ugly drama queens in the world as it > > is, I don't want to be blamed for adding to that! :-) > > > > Judi > > > > ************ > If you guys will allow yourselves to suffer, just allow yourself to > go deeper and deeper into it, such that you will become identical to > it, and you will fall through, unscatched out the bottom. But the key > is in allowing it, staying " awake " through it. Stay conscious, be > aware, don't go to sleep. This is about consciously sacrificing > yourself, intentional suffering. I am reminded what Jesus said to his > disciples at Gethsemene that night, he instructed them to > stay " awake " with him, suffer with him, " pray " with him. > > You see, there's a lesson here if you can grasp it, and that > is " intentional suffering " , and it works slicker than crap through a > goose if you can grasp it. Like a lightbulb going off in your head. > And once you do, you've got the tiger by the tail, instead of the > tiger having you. > > Judi > ************** And what I'm trying to convey here is that you can have " truths " thrown at you by very God Himself from now till kingdom come, and it will do nothing for your overall condition, you will continue to remain an idiot. You've read how many books now?? You've hung out with how many sages, gone to how many satsangs? All that is just you reading and playing around with " pornography " . It's more of the same mastrabatory nonsense that never really gets you anywhere. Iow, I speak to the " way " itself, the " work " on your part that has to be done. That MUST be done. Iow, it's not merely an academic matter of hearing " truths " , pornography. Sooner or later, it should dawn on you, like it did a friend of mine, that after all these many years, you're still the same old schmuck you ever were. That's gotta hurt. And if it hurts sufficiently, you'll hear me, and start actually doing the work of conscious surrender. Even making the smallest of efforts will magnify itself and grow. The first step is the most important. It's like planting a tree, first you have to get the seed in the ground. Start surrendering yourself, throw yourself on the floor, prostrate yourself, lord have mercy I am a sinner. :-) There, that should about do it. :-) A good first step. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 > > > P: Did you guess I was being sarcastic, my aging love? > > If you didn't, vitamin b12, and cutting on the booze > > will help. But when you're right, you're right! He wouldn't > > have put up with this blabbering bunch. Only you, and I'd > > have been allowed to sit quietly in his presence > > listening, and chewing our tobacco wads. > > > > ************** > > > Here, from the ranch this morning.. > > > *************** > > > > .. you keep trying to analyze yourself out of your > > suffering. > > > > It doesn't work like that. How many times and how many > different > > > ways > > > > have I said, the way to it is through it? Instead of all this > > > mental > > > > activity, you must throw yourself into your suffering and stop > > with > > > > all this trying to get on top of it. There is no " on top of > it " . > > > > Whenever you find yourself suffering, instead of backing away > > from > > > > it, go in the opposite direction and throw yourself into it. > > > > Mentally, emotionally and physically. But, look on the bright > > side, > > > > you get better than a front row seat, you get to be the > > sacrifical > > > > goat at the feast. :-) > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > Now, for any of you new guys here, when I say throw yourself into > > > your suffering, that DOESN'T mean to get into dramatizing it. > > > Iow, no pity parties. Certainly crying is allowed, but no > wallowing. > > > Surely, there's enough idiot, ugly drama queens in the world as > it > > > is, I don't want to be blamed for adding to that! :-) > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > ************ > > If you guys will allow yourselves to suffer, just allow yourself to > > go deeper and deeper into it, such that you will become identical > to > > it, and you will fall through, unscatched out the bottom. But the > key > > is in allowing it, staying " awake " through it. Stay conscious, be > > aware, don't go to sleep. This is about consciously sacrificing > > yourself, intentional suffering. I am reminded what Jesus said to > his > > disciples at Gethsemene that night, he instructed them to > > stay " awake " with him, suffer with him, " pray " with him. > > > > You see, there's a lesson here if you can grasp it, and that > > is " intentional suffering " , and it works slicker than crap through > a > > goose if you can grasp it. Like a lightbulb going off in your head. > > And once you do, you've got the tiger by the tail, instead of the > > tiger having you. > > > > Judi > > > > ************** > And what I'm trying to convey here is that you can have " truths " > thrown at you by very God Himself from now till kingdom come, and it > will do nothing for your overall condition, you will continue to > remain an idiot. You've read how many books now?? You've hung out > with how many sages, gone to how many satsangs? All that is just you > reading and playing around with " pornography " . It's more of the same > mastrabatory nonsense that never really gets you anywhere. > > Iow, I speak to the " way " itself, the " work " on your part that has to > be done. That MUST be done. Iow, it's not merely an academic matter > of hearing " truths " , pornography. Sooner or later, it should dawn on > you, like it did a friend of mine, that after all these many years, > you're still the same old schmuck you ever were. That's gotta hurt. > And if it hurts sufficiently, you'll hear me, and start actually > doing the work of conscious surrender. > > Even making the smallest of efforts will magnify itself and grow. > The first step is the most important. It's like planting a tree, > first you have to get the seed in the ground. Start surrendering > yourself, throw yourself on the floor, prostrate yourself, lord have > mercy I am a sinner. :-) There, that should about do it. :-) A good > first step. > > Judi > > *************** People use the " who am i " as just another mastrabatory device. > When Ramana gave that advice it was to a specific person at a > specific time. It's not a career to be taken up as a means to an end. > > For all intents and purposes you can leave your mind completely out > of it. It is of no use whatsoever at this stage of the game. There is > an intelligence that is mindless, that is awakened through surrender. > It's intelligence that is inherent, that doesn't need any thought. > > So, for you guys that are running around playing the " who am I " game, > knock the hell it off would you? :-) > > I'd appreciate it. :-) > > Judi > ***************** People use the " who am i " as just another mastrabatory device. When Ramana gave that advice it was to a specific person at a specific time. It's not a career to be taken up as a means to an end. For all intents and purposes you can leave your mind completely out of it. It is of no use whatsoever at this stage of the game. There is an intelligence that is mindless, that is awakened through surrender. It's intelligence that is inherent, that doesn't need any thought. So, for you guys that are running around playing the " who am I " game, knock the hell it off would you? :-) I'd appreciate it. :-) Judi ************* Using the " neti-neti " , like Toom here plays with himself, before its time, is like flailing your arms and legs around while your're still standing on the pool deck. Iow, intellect by itself does no good, at worst it'll drive you totally insane, and at best, it'll turn you into a complete bore. Talking about swimming isn't swimming. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > Pete... please don't raise your voice.... > > > > > > We are getting along just fine here. > > > No need for any straightening up of anybody here. > > > > > > Peace.... > > > buckets full > > > oceans full > > > universes full > > > > > > So yes, it is our party... > > > and we are having a good time. > > > > > > Let it be. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! It's party, we're having > > > fun with the heart. Is it not > > > what this list is about? Fun and heart? > > > Didn't Nis said: Come to my sadsang > > > to party and to have fun blabbering about > > > the heart. > > > > > > > > *********** > > Guess again, he'd throw you all out on your ear. > > If he was in a particularly good mood, at best, > > he'd make a table for you out in the backyard > > with the pigs, so you could be amongst your kind. > > > > Then again, the pigs would probably run you off too. > > > > Judi > > > > P: Did you guess I was being sarcastic, my aging love? > > If you didn't, vitamin b12, and cutting on the booze > > will help. But when you're right, you're right! He wouldn't > > have put up with this blabbering bunch. Only you, and I'd > > have been allowed to sit quietly in his presence > > listening, and chewing our tobacco wads. > > > > ************** > Guess again, you'd be the first one he'd throw out. > Go figure... > > Here, from the ranch this morning.. > > > *************** > > > > .. you keep trying to analyze yourself out of your > > suffering. > > > > It doesn't work like that. How many times and how many > different > > > ways > > > > have I said, the way to it is through it? Instead of all this > > > mental > > > > activity, you must throw yourself into your suffering and stop > > with > > > > all this trying to get on top of it. There is no " on top of > it " . > > > > Whenever you find yourself suffering, instead of backing away > > from > > > > it, go in the opposite direction and throw yourself into it. > > > > Mentally, emotionally and physically. But, look on the bright > > side, > > > > you get better than a front row seat, you get to be the > > sacrifical > > > > goat at the feast. :-) > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > Now, for any of you new guys here, when I say throw yourself into > > > your suffering, that DOESN'T mean to get into dramatizing it. > > > Iow, no pity parties. Certainly crying is allowed, but no > wallowing. > > > Surely, there's enough idiot, ugly drama queens in the world as > it > > > is, I don't want to be blamed for adding to that! :-) > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > ************ > > If you guys will allow yourselves to suffer, just allow yourself to > > go deeper and deeper into it, such that you will become identical > to > > it, and you will fall through, unscatched out the bottom. But the > key > > is in allowing it, staying " awake " through it. Stay conscious, be > > aware, don't go to sleep. This is about consciously sacrificing > > yourself, intentional suffering. I am reminded what Jesus said to > his > > disciples at Gethsemene that night, he instructed them to > > stay " awake " with him, suffer with him, " pray " with him. > > > > You see, there's a lesson here if you can grasp it, and that > > is " intentional suffering " , and it works slicker than crap through > a > > goose if you can grasp it. Like a lightbulb going off in your head. > > And once you do, you've got the tiger by the tail, instead of the > > tiger having you. > > > > Judi > > > > ************** > And what I'm trying to convey here is that you can have " truths " > thrown at you by very God Himself from now till kingdom come, and it > will do nothing for your overall condition, you will continue to > remain an idiot. You've read how many books now?? You've hung out > with how many sages, gone to how many satsangs? All that is just you > reading and playing around with " pornography " . It's more of the same > mastrabatory nonsense that never really gets you anywhere. > > Iow, I speak to the " way " itself, the " work " on your part that has to > be done. That MUST be done. Iow, it's not merely an academic matter > of hearing " truths " , pornography. Sooner or later, it should dawn on > you, like it did a friend of mine, that after all these many years, > you're still the same old schmuck you ever were. That's gotta hurt. > And if it hurts sufficiently, you'll hear me, and start actually > doing the work of conscious surrender. > > Even making the smallest of efforts will magnify itself and grow. > The first step is the most important. It's like planting a tree, > first you have to get the seed in the ground. Start surrendering > yourself, throw yourself on the floor, prostrate yourself, lord have > mercy I am a sinner. :-) There, that should about do it. :-) A good > first step. > > Judi > You encourage people to give the house keys to a crook. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > > > > > P: Did you guess I was being sarcastic, my aging love? > > > If you didn't, vitamin b12, and cutting on the booze > > > will help. But when you're right, you're right! He wouldn't > > > have put up with this blabbering bunch. Only you, and I'd > > > have been allowed to sit quietly in his presence > > > listening, and chewing our tobacco wads. > > > > > > > ************** > > > > > > Here, from the ranch this morning.. > > > > > *************** > > > > > .. you keep trying to analyze yourself out of your > > > suffering. > > > > > It doesn't work like that. How many times and how many > > different > > > > ways > > > > > have I said, the way to it is through it? Instead of all > this > > > > mental > > > > > activity, you must throw yourself into your suffering and > stop > > > with > > > > > all this trying to get on top of it. There is no " on top of > > it " . > > > > > Whenever you find yourself suffering, instead of backing > away > > > from > > > > > it, go in the opposite direction and throw yourself into it. > > > > > Mentally, emotionally and physically. But, look on the > bright > > > side, > > > > > you get better than a front row seat, you get to be the > > > sacrifical > > > > > goat at the feast. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > Now, for any of you new guys here, when I say throw yourself > into > > > > your suffering, that DOESN'T mean to get into dramatizing it. > > > > Iow, no pity parties. Certainly crying is allowed, but no > > wallowing. > > > > Surely, there's enough idiot, ugly drama queens in the world > as > > it > > > > is, I don't want to be blamed for adding to that! :-) > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > ************ > > > If you guys will allow yourselves to suffer, just allow > yourself to > > > go deeper and deeper into it, such that you will become > identical > > to > > > it, and you will fall through, unscatched out the bottom. But > the > > key > > > is in allowing it, staying " awake " through it. Stay conscious, > be > > > aware, don't go to sleep. This is about consciously sacrificing > > > yourself, intentional suffering. I am reminded what Jesus said > to > > his > > > disciples at Gethsemene that night, he instructed them to > > > stay " awake " with him, suffer with him, " pray " with him. > > > > > > You see, there's a lesson here if you can grasp it, and that > > > is " intentional suffering " , and it works slicker than crap > through > > a > > > goose if you can grasp it. Like a lightbulb going off in your > head. > > > And once you do, you've got the tiger by the tail, instead of > the > > > tiger having you. > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > ************** > > And what I'm trying to convey here is that you can have " truths " > > thrown at you by very God Himself from now till kingdom come, and > it > > will do nothing for your overall condition, you will continue to > > remain an idiot. You've read how many books now?? You've hung out > > with how many sages, gone to how many satsangs? All that is just > you > > reading and playing around with " pornography " . It's more of the > same > > mastrabatory nonsense that never really gets you anywhere. > > > > Iow, I speak to the " way " itself, the " work " on your part that > has to > > be done. That MUST be done. Iow, it's not merely an academic > matter > > of hearing " truths " , pornography. Sooner or later, it should dawn > on > > you, like it did a friend of mine, that after all these many > years, > > you're still the same old schmuck you ever were. That's gotta > hurt. > > And if it hurts sufficiently, you'll hear me, and start actually > > doing the work of conscious surrender. > > > > Even making the smallest of efforts will magnify itself and grow. > > The first step is the most important. It's like planting a tree, > > first you have to get the seed in the ground. Start surrendering > > yourself, throw yourself on the floor, prostrate yourself, lord > have > > mercy I am a sinner. :-) There, that should about do it. :-) A > good > > first step. > > > > Judi > > > > > *************** > People use the " who am i " as just another mastrabatory device. > > When Ramana gave that advice it was to a specific person at a > > specific time. It's not a career to be taken up as a means to an > end. > > > > For all intents and purposes you can leave your mind completely out > > of it. It is of no use whatsoever at this stage of the game. There > is > > an intelligence that is mindless, that is awakened through > surrender. > > It's intelligence that is inherent, that doesn't need any thought. > > > > So, for you guys that are running around playing the " who am I " > game, > > knock the hell it off would you? :-) > > > > I'd appreciate it. :-) > > > > Judi > > > > ***************** > > People use the " who am i " as just another mastrabatory device. > When Ramana gave that advice it was to a specific person at a > specific time. It's not a career to be taken up as a means to an > end. > > For all intents and purposes you can leave your mind completely out > of it. It is of no use whatsoever at this stage of the game. There > is an intelligence that is mindless, that is awakened through > surrender. It's intelligence that is inherent, that doesn't need any > thought. > > So, for you guys that are running around playing the " who am I " > game, knock the hell it off would you? :-) > > I'd appreciate it. :-) > > Judi > > > ************* > Using the " neti-neti " , like Toom here plays with himself, before its > time, is like flailing your arms and legs around while your're still > standing on the pool deck. Iow, intellect by itself does no good, at > worst it'll drive you totally insane, and at best, it'll turn you > into a complete bore. Talking about swimming isn't swimming. > > Judi > Judi, That which you imagined happened before you 'popped' had nothing to do with your imaginary enlightenment. Your prescriptions are less the useless. They are bromides for an affliction that does not exist. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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