Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Self-ignorance is the first step to failure and all other steps after that is also failure Self-Awareness is not a step and not a failure but it denyies Self-ignorance and its running around ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Self-ignorance is the first step to failure > and all other steps after that is also failure > Self-Awareness is not a step and not a failure > but it denyies Self-ignorance and its running around > ...iietsa where would a step away from being aware occur? by going somewhere existing outside of awareness? if there is no where to go outside, where is there any ignorance occurring that needs to be denied, or which could represent a failure? the only ignorance is trying to avoid being ignorant, the only failure is trying to ensure that failure doesn't occur. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Self-ignorance is the first step to failure > > and all other steps after that is also failure > > Self-Awareness is not a step and not a failure > > but it denyies Self-ignorance and its running around > > ...iietsa > > where would a step away from being aware occur? if you are being aware...then no step > by going somewhere existing outside of awareness? ...or you could say within awareness > if there is no where to go outside, where is there any ignorance > occurring that needs to be denied, or which could represent a failure? when there is total awareness...this initself is a denial of ignorance...there is no need to do anything...awareness dont do...it is...to take oneself to be the doer is the failure... > the only ignorance is trying to avoid being ignorant, the only failure > is trying to ensure that failure doesn't occur. > > -- D. stay aware...and no ignorance is possible... the me that is trying is a failure... when awareness is active then ignorance is denied a hold... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Self-ignorance is the first step to failure > > > and all other steps after that is also failure > > > Self-Awareness is not a step and not a failure > > > but it denyies Self-ignorance and its running around > > > ...iietsa > > > > where would a step away from being aware occur? > if you are being aware...then no step D: There is no separable " you " to be aware or not aware. There never has been or could be -- anywhere, at any time. So, indeed - no step. No step ever occurred. > > by going somewhere existing outside of awareness? > ...or you could say within awareness D: Yes. So, with no outside or inside, the term " awareness " is just an imaginary marker, for the sake of a conversation. > > if there is no where to go outside, where is there any ignorance > > occurring that needs to be denied, or which could represent a > failure? > when there is total awareness...this initself is a denial of > ignorance...there is no need to do anything...awareness dont do...it > is...to take oneself to be the doer is the failure... D: Let's just follow this closely. There can't be a " when there is " for total awareness. If there were a " when, " then it wouldn't be total. " When " involves a beginning and end, a start in time, and therefore an end in time. > > the only ignorance is trying to avoid being ignorant, the only > failure > > is trying to ensure that failure doesn't occur. > > > > -- D. > > stay aware...and no ignorance is possible... > the me that is trying is a failure... > when awareness is active then ignorance is denied a hold... > ...iietsa D: Again, following this closely, no " when " can be involved. What I'm saying is that if, for you, there is no separable " you-being having an existence to itself " -- then there is no such " you " anywhere. And thus, if for you, no ignoracnce has a hold, then there is no hold for it anywhere, at any time. And ideas about ignorance and awareness thus cease to have any hold. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Self-ignorance is the first step to failure > > > > and all other steps after that is also failure > > > > Self-Awareness is not a step and not a failure > > > > but it denyies Self-ignorance and its running around > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > where would a step away from being aware occur? > > if you are being aware...then no step > > D: There is no separable " you " to be aware or not aware. There never > has been or could be -- anywhere, at any time. > > So, indeed - no step. No step ever occurred. > > > > by going somewhere existing outside of awareness? > > ...or you could say within awareness > > D: Yes. So, with no outside or inside, the term " awareness " is just > an imaginary marker, for the sake of a conversation. > > > > if there is no where to go outside, where is there any ignorance > > > occurring that needs to be denied, or which could represent a > > failure? > > when there is total awareness...this initself is a denial of > > ignorance...there is no need to do anything...awareness dont do...it > > is...to take oneself to be the doer is the failure... > > D: Let's just follow this closely. There can't be a " when there is " > for total awareness. If there were a " when, " then it wouldn't be > total. " When " involves a beginning and end, a start in time, and > therefore an end in time. > > > > the only ignorance is trying to avoid being ignorant, the only > > failure > > > is trying to ensure that failure doesn't occur. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > stay aware...and no ignorance is possible... > > the me that is trying is a failure... > > when awareness is active then ignorance is denied a hold... > > ...iietsa > > D: Again, following this closely, no " when " can be involved. no " when " involved....ok > What I'm saying is that if, for you, there is no separable " you- being > having an existence to itself " -- then there is no such " you " anywhere. ok... > And thus, if for you, no ignoracnce has a hold, then there is no hold > for it anywhere, at any time. ok... > And ideas about ignorance and awareness thus cease to have any hold. ok... > -- Dan > awareness is active... and ignorance is denied a hold... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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