Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > > > ************** > > > So what I'm trying to do is to get these guys " familiar " with their > > > suffering, not avoiding it with all their mental gyrations, but > > > giving themselves over to it, whatever is the case. > > > > > > > They cannot get familiar with the suffering.....They ARE the suffering. --so sez the cockatoo > > > Surrender comes first,THEN investigation. It can't be in the reverse. > > > And that's the rub. > > > > > > Judi > > Investigation precedes surrender precedes investigation. toombaru said somethin' > toombaru > Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > > > ************** > > > > So what I'm trying to do is to get these guys " familiar " with their > > > > suffering, not avoiding it with all their mental gyrations, but > > > > giving themselves over to it, whatever is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > They cannot get familiar with the suffering.....They ARE the suffering. > > > > --so sez the cockatoo > > ************ Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, the " clever " way. It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. Chalk up another mis-carraige. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > > > > ************** > > > > > So what I'm trying to do is to get these guys " familiar " with > their > > > > > suffering, not avoiding it with all their mental gyrations, > but > > > > > giving themselves over to it, whatever is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They cannot get familiar with the suffering.....They ARE the > suffering. > > > > > > > > --so sez the cockatoo > > > > > ************ > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > the " clever " way. > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > Judi > That which was never born........can never die. Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your hysterical ideas are about an imaginary self. Any action that you suggest will have no effect. They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if ideas. The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the shape of a shadow. You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. Time to go back to school. Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is consciousness itself ......trying to give you the low-down. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > > > > > ************** > > > > > > So what I'm trying to do is to get these guys " familiar " with > > their > > > > > > suffering, not avoiding it with all their mental gyrations, > > but > > > > > > giving themselves over to it, whatever is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They cannot get familiar with the suffering.....They ARE the > > suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > --so sez the cockatoo > > > > > > > > ************ > > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > > the " clever " way. > > > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > > > Judi > That which was never born........can never die. > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your hysterical > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if ideas. > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the shape > of a shadow. > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is consciousness > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > toombaru > ************* Your're not giving me anything, but your ego. Take another look! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: >> > > > > ************ > > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > > the " clever " way. > > > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > > > Judi > That which was never born........can never die. > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your hysterical > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if ideas. > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the shape > of a shadow. > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is consciousness > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > toombaru > ************* And you can be rest assured that if Nisargadatta were here in person, he would indeed throw you out on your ear in disgust. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > >> > That which was never born........can never die. > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your hysterical > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if ideas. > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the shape > of a shadow. > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > *********** It's not about " going to school " . Guess again! But this is what happens with Advaita, everybody turns into nobodies. It just couldn't be more deluded and obnoxious. It gives people a false sense of freedom. Like a disguise it effects the weak and the innocent. Judi > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is consciousness > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > >> > > > > > ************ > > > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > > > > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > > > the " clever " way. > > > > > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > > > > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which was never born........can never die. > > > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your hysterical > > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if ideas. > > > > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the > shape > > of a shadow. > > > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is consciousness > > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ************* > And you can be rest assured that if Nisargadatta were here in person, > he would indeed throw you out on your ear in disgust. > > Judi > Have you actually read Nisargadatta? Do you have any idea what 'child of a barren woman' means. What about 'washing blood with blood'? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > ************ > > > > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > > > > > > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > > > > the " clever " way. > > > > > > > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > > > > > > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which was never born........can never die. > > > > > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your hysterical > > > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > > > > > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > > > > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if ideas. > > > > > > > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > > > > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the > > shape > > > of a shadow. > > > > > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is consciousness > > > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > ************* > > And you can be rest assured that if Nisargadatta were here in person, > > he would indeed throw you out on your ear in disgust. > > > > Judi > > > > > > Have you actually read Nisargadatta? > > > Do you have any idea what 'child of a barren woman' means. > > > What about 'washing blood with blood'? > > > toombaru > ************ I don't have to read a word he wrote to know exactly where he comes from. I know the " man " , " personally " , " intimately " . And it has nothing whatsoever to do with anything that has ever come out of his mouth. And that's where you continually miss. It's not about information received, intelligence of that sort. We share something VERY personal - a common fate, much, much deeper than words can ever utter. And that, my friend, all comes down to matter of character. In all the words, and all the knowledge, you miss, you miss the " man " of Nisargadatta. Which means, you miss entirely. You have fallen victim to the dangers of Advaita. It happens. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > > > > > > ************** > > > > > > > So what I'm trying to do is to get these guys " familiar " > with > > > their > > > > > > > suffering, not avoiding it with all their mental > gyrations, > > > but > > > > > > > giving themselves over to it, whatever is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They cannot get familiar with the suffering.....They ARE the > > > suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --so sez the cockatoo > > > > > > > > > > > ************ > > > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > > > > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > > > the " clever " way. > > > > > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > > > > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which was never born........can never die. > > > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your hysterical > > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if ideas. > > > > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the > shape > > of a shadow. > > > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is consciousness > > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ************* > Your're not giving me anything, but your ego. > > Take another look! > > Judi You tell me that I am giving you my ego. You indicate that this me thing is able to get a look at its self.......and even change its modus operandi. You offer bromides to change that which exists only in a conceptual context. You can change your dreams at night......but nothing changes. The solution lies deeper then the dream. You offer conceptual water to the thirsty.....You cannot help that........but you can see it for what it is......it may continue...it may stop. You tell them that they are real...and that their problems are real.....and they are responsible. You are not caught in the dream......you are the dream. Do not waste your valuable time on these old bones. There are many more worthy. For me there is no hope. toombaru I no longer have any idea what the 'ego' is. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > > > > > > > > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > > > > > the " clever " way. > > > > > > > > > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > > > > > > > > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which was never born........can never die. > > > > > > > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your > hysterical > > > > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > > > > > > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if > ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > > > > > > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the > > > shape > > > > of a shadow. > > > > > > > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is > consciousness > > > > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > And you can be rest assured that if Nisargadatta were here in > person, > > > he would indeed throw you out on your ear in disgust. > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > Have you actually read Nisargadatta? > > > > > > Do you have any idea what 'child of a barren woman' means. > > > > > > What about 'washing blood with blood'? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ************ > I don't have to read a word he wrote to know exactly where he comes > from. I know the " man " , " personally " , " intimately " . And it has > nothing whatsoever to do with anything that has ever come out of his > mouth. And that's where you continually miss. It's not about > information received, intelligence of that sort. We share something > VERY personal - a common fate, much, much deeper than words can ever > utter. And that, my friend, all comes down to matter of character. In > all the words, and all the knowledge, you miss, you miss the " man " of > Nisargadatta. Which means, you miss entirely. You have fallen victim > to the dangers of Advaita. It happens. > > Judi > To whom do you imagine that this 'danger' applies? What are these imagined entities in 'danger' of? And, my dear, it is most assuredly not a matter of character. That which exists merely as a character......has no character. And when are you going to start answering my very ligitimate questions and stop swinging wildly qat something that exists only as a phantom within your own mind? I still have hope for you.......but my patience is not infinite. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <rhodesjudi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > Toom, your basic disembodied ghoul. > > > > > > > > > > > > He took the wrong door. He opted out the cowards way, > > > > > > the " clever " way. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about cleverness and that's where he missed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalk up another mis-carraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which was never born........can never die. > > > > > > > > > > Judi..........all of your prescriptions.....all of your > > hysterical > > > > > ideas are about an imaginary self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any action that you suggest will have no effect. > > > > > > > > > > They are ideas about something that exists only as a clot if > > ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The attempt to surrender is not surrendering. > > > > > > > > > > I am weary of your meaningless chatter about how to improve the > > > > shape > > > > > of a shadow. > > > > > > > > > > You have absolutely no idea about the nature of self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time to go back to school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now don't get all angry......Keep in mind that this is > > consciousness > > > > > itself ......trying to give you the low-down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************* > > > > And you can be rest assured that if Nisargadatta were here in > > person, > > > > he would indeed throw you out on your ear in disgust. > > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you actually read Nisargadatta? > > > > > > > > > Do you have any idea what 'child of a barren woman' means. > > > > > > > > > What about 'washing blood with blood'? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > ************ > > I don't have to read a word he wrote to know exactly where he comes > > from. I know the " man " , " personally " , " intimately " . And it has > > nothing whatsoever to do with anything that has ever come out of his > > mouth. And that's where you continually miss. It's not about > > information received, intelligence of that sort. We share something > > VERY personal - a common fate, much, much deeper than words can ever > > utter. And that, my friend, all comes down to matter of character. In > > all the words, and all the knowledge, you miss, you miss the " man " of > > Nisargadatta. Which means, you miss entirely. You have fallen victim > > to the dangers of Advaita. It happens. > > > > Judi > > > > > To whom do you imagine that this 'danger' applies? s'cuza me, I know I'm butting in..and this is just a joke......but I know to whom.....to ombaru.....the unimagined stuff of, from what I've seen dealing with this (my) imagined 'character'....infinite forbearance. .......bob > What are these imagined entities in 'danger' of? > > And, my dear, it is most assuredly not a matter of character. > > > That which exists merely as a character......has no character. > > > And when are you going to start answering my very ligitimate questions > and stop swinging wildly qat something that exists only as a phantom > within your own mind? > > > I still have hope for you.......but my patience is not infinite. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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