Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 I am not the body I am not the mind I am not a human being... what exactly is a human being ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > I am not the body > I am not the mind > I am not a human being... > what exactly is a human being ? > ...iietsa > Hisstory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > I am not the body > > I am not the mind > > I am not a human being... > > what exactly is a human being ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > Hisstory > hihi...story... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not the body > > > I am not the mind > > > I am not a human being... > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Hisstory > > > hihi...story... > ...iietsa My stery Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > I am not the body > I am not the mind > I am not a human being... > what exactly is a human being ? > ...iietsa > Since you aren't one, why do you care what one is? Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. A way of interpretation. Nothing real there. Juat an abstraction. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > I am not the body > > I am not the mind > > I am not a human being... > > what exactly is a human being ? > > ...iietsa > > > Since you aren't one, > why do you care what one is? > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > A way of interpretation. > > Nothing real there. > > Juat an abstraction. > > Bill > The human is a remarkable creature composed of body, perception, consciousness, sensation, volition, craving, clinging, aversion, ignorance, pride. And none of it is real. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 --- Richard <richarkar wrote: > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not the body > > > I am not the mind > > > I am not a human being... > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > why do you care what one is? > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > A way of interpretation. > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > Bill > > > > The human is a remarkable creature composed of body, perception, > consciousness, sensation, volition, craving, clinging, aversion, > ignorance, pride. And none of it is real. > > Richard > yeah... well said and you can add in: incredibly beautiful... but what is really beautiful is the depth that pours through everything. Flowers are beautiful, but it is the flower beheld in Depth that is truly beautiful, and it is the " human " beheld in Depth that is truly beautiful. So it is the Depth that pours through everything, that leaves nothing untouched, that is what is both real and the essence of all that is wonderful. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > I am not the body > > I am not the mind > > I am not a human being... > > what exactly is a human being ? > > ...iietsa > > > Since you aren't one, > why do you care what one is? > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > A way of interpretation. > > Nothing real there. > > Juat an abstraction. > > Bill > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not the body > > > I am not the mind > > > I am not a human being... > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > why do you care what one is? > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > A way of interpretation. > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > Bill > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > ...iietsa > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement that " a human being is an abstraction " ? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > I am not the mind > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > ...iietsa > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > Bill > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... " IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE ACCENT IS NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS THE KING... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > Bill > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... " > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE ACCENT IS > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS THE > KING... > ...iietsa > Why capital letters ? Have you got the impression that Bill either can't read or that he didn't quite grasp the importance of what you have to say ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > Bill > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... " > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE ACCENT IS > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS THE > KING... > ...iietsa > that's all well and good, but I see no relation of what you say here or in previous post to what I had written. when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to " ignore the selfimprisoned " . So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. I specifically asked: > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? You comments above do not address that question. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... " > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE ACCENT IS > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS THE > > KING... > > ...iietsa > > > > > Why capital letters ? ....no reason...only the " caps lock " was active and I did nothing aboute it... > Have you got the impression that Bill either can't read or that he > didn't quite grasp the importance of what you have to say ? > > Werner > no impression that Bill cant read.... words are the same to me...no words are more important... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... " > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE ACCENT IS > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS THE > > KING... > > ...iietsa > > > > that's all well and good, > but I see no relation of what you say here or > in previous post to what I had written. > > when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " > that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to > " ignore the selfimprisoned " . > > So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. > I specifically asked: > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > You comments above do not address that question. > > > Bill > sometimes the words that comes to mind just dont address to the question being asked...and I dont know why it comes the way it does...there was no intention to presume anything being suggested by the saying " a human being is an abstraction " ... I dont controll the words...they come as they do...and I have nothing to do with it... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such > one... " > > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE ACCENT > IS > > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS > THE > > > KING... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > that's all well and good, > > but I see no relation of what you say here or > > in previous post to what I had written. > > > > when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " > > that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to > > " ignore the selfimprisoned " . > > > > So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. > > I specifically asked: > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > You comments above do not address that question. > > > > > > Bill > > > sometimes the words that comes to mind just dont address to the > question being asked...and I dont know why it comes the way it > does...there was no intention to presume anything being suggested by > the saying " a human being is an abstraction " ... > I dont controll the words...they come as they do...and I have > nothing to do with it... > ...iietsa > Ha ! Is it because you are under the spell of autarchic hands typing messages or is it rather you prefere wirting instead of reading ? Why is it that you make the impression living on an common place island and producing 'wise' commonplaces without paying much attention to the remaining members here and therefore you are in a strange way missing most of that interesting and smart stuff they are posting ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such > one... " > > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE ACCENT > IS > > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS > THE > > > KING... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > that's all well and good, > > but I see no relation of what you say here or > > in previous post to what I had written. > > > > when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " > > that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to > > " ignore the selfimprisoned " . > > > > So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. > > I specifically asked: > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > You comments above do not address that question. > > > > > > Bill > > > sometimes the words that comes to mind just dont address to the > question being asked...and I dont know why it comes the way it > does...there was no intention to presume anything being suggested by > the saying " a human being is an abstraction " ... > I dont controll the words...they come as they do...and I have > nothing to do with it... > ...iietsa > the writing arises of its own here as well, organically. and as such arose the questions just posed. your reply this time does clarify that nature of your responses. Thanks for the clarification. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such > > one... " > > > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE > ACCENT > > IS > > > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS > > THE > > > > KING... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > that's all well and good, > > > but I see no relation of what you say here or > > > in previous post to what I had written. > > > > > > when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " > > > that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to > > > " ignore the selfimprisoned " . > > > > > > So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. > > > I specifically asked: > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > You comments above do not address that question. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > sometimes the words that comes to mind just dont address to the > > question being asked...and I dont know why it comes the way it > > does...there was no intention to presume anything being suggested > by > > the saying " a human being is an abstraction " ... > > I dont controll the words...they come as they do...and I have > > nothing to do with it... > > ...iietsa > > > > Ha ! > > Is it because you are under the spell of autarchic hands typing > messages or is it rather you prefere wirting instead of reading ? > > Why is it that you make the impression living on an common place > island and producing 'wise' commonplaces without paying much > attention to the remaining members here and therefore you are in a > strange way missing most of that interesting and smart stuff they are > posting ? > > Werner > I am I no more no less words comes words stay words go ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr wrote: > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such > > one... " > > > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE > ACCENT > > IS > > > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS > > THE > > > > KING... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > that's all well and good, > > > but I see no relation of what you say here or > > > in previous post to what I had written. > > > > > > when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " > > > that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to > > > " ignore the selfimprisoned " . > > > > > > So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. > > > I specifically asked: > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > You comments above do not address that question. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > sometimes the words that comes to mind just dont address to the > > question being asked...and I dont know why it comes the way it > > does...there was no intention to presume anything being suggested > by > > the saying " a human being is an abstraction " ... > > I dont controll the words...they come as they do...and I have > > nothing to do with it... > > ...iietsa > > > > Ha ! > > Is it because you are under the spell of autarchic hands typing > messages or is it rather you prefere wirting instead of reading ? > > Why is it that you make the impression living on an common place > island and producing 'wise' commonplaces without paying much > attention to the remaining members here and therefore you are in a > strange way missing most of that interesting and smart stuff they are > posting ? > > Werner > It seems to me that Werner has a point iietsa. It can seem that there is a quality of " disconnectedness " in much of what you post... to be absolved into one's own mini-nirvana can seem so complete, even so ultimate... when it is far from the case... there is a much larger nirvana that is filled with acute senstivity to the many diverse vibrations that abound. and it never ends, being broken and expanding again and again... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such > > one... " > > > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE > ACCENT > > IS > > > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS > > THE > > > > KING... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > that's all well and good, > > > but I see no relation of what you say here or > > > in previous post to what I had written. > > > > > > when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " > > > that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to > > > " ignore the selfimprisoned " . > > > > > > So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. > > > I specifically asked: > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > You comments above do not address that question. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > sometimes the words that comes to mind just dont address to the > > question being asked...and I dont know why it comes the way it > > does...there was no intention to presume anything being suggested > by > > the saying " a human being is an abstraction " ... > > I dont controll the words...they come as they do...and I have > > nothing to do with it... > > ...iietsa > > > > Ha ! > > Is it because you are under the spell of autarchic hands typing > messages or is it rather you prefere wirting instead of reading ? > > Why is it that you make the impression living on an common place > island and producing 'wise' commonplaces without paying much > attention to the remaining members here and therefore you are in a > strange way missing most of that interesting and smart stuff they are > posting ? > > Werner > is the above some of that 'interesting' and 'smart' stuff being posted?.......lucky is he who misses 'this stuff' and blessed be the peacemakers...for THEIRS is the Kingdom....... the smart and interesting posters are like camels seeking the way through the needle's eye. Good Luck to All and Every, of every stripe and type......so sayaeth the Lords of all seekers' forms...none other than themselves......the very SAME SELF. .............bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not the body > > > > > > > > I am not the mind > > > > > > > > I am not a human being... > > > > > > > > what exactly is a human being ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you aren't one, > > > > > > > why do you care what one is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, a human being is an abstraction. > > > > > > > A way of interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing real there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Juat an abstraction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such one... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, I find your response to be odd... > > > > > > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > LOVE CARES FOR LOVE IN ONENESS > > > > IT LOVES LOVE TO BE THE ONLY LIGHT > > > > THATS THE WAY LOVE CARES > > > > A HUM-BE CAN BE SAID TO BE THE HINDRANCE OF LOVE IF MADE KING... > > > > MADE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOVE ITSELF > > > > THE " why ignore the selfimprisoned...when there is no such > > one... " > > > > IS ONLY A WAY OF SAYING THAT LOVE IS THE ONLY LIGHT...THE > ACCENT > > IS > > > > NOT MEANT TO BE PLACED UPON THE why or ignore or the > > > > selfimprisoned...THERE IS NO SUCH ONE...ONLY LOVE IS....LOVE IS > > THE > > > > KING... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > that's all well and good, > > > but I see no relation of what you say here or > > > in previous post to what I had written. > > > > > > when you say, " why ignore the selfimprisoned... " > > > that clearly presumes that I was suggesting to > > > " ignore the selfimprisoned " . > > > > > > So I asked you how it was that you saw me saying that. > > > I specifically asked: > > > > > how do you get " ignore the selfimprisoned " from my statement > > > > > that " a human being is an abstraction " ? > > > > > > You comments above do not address that question. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > sometimes the words that comes to mind just dont address to the > > question being asked...and I dont know why it comes the way it > > does...there was no intention to presume anything being suggested > by > > the saying " a human being is an abstraction " ... > > I dont controll the words...they come as they do...and I have > > nothing to do with it... > > ...iietsa > > > > Ha ! > > Is it because you are under the spell of autarchic hands typing > messages or is it rather you prefere wirting instead of reading ? > > Why is it that you make the impression living on an common place > island and producing 'wise' commonplaces without paying much > attention to the remaining members here and therefore you are in a > strange way missing most of that interesting and smart stuff they are > posting ? > > Werner > I am not under any spell... I am not " making the impression living on an common place island and producing 'wise' commonplaces without paying much attention to the remaining members here " ...its all in your mind... I am not " interesting of the smart stuff they are posting ? " ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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