Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Luz y Sombras > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever the feeling, whatever the 'state' > > > > > > > > there is " adjustment " going on. Adjustment is > > > > > > > > the nature of the mechanism. No need to > > > > > > > > think, " I am adjusting. " Just as well to > > > > > > > > consider, " I am not part of this. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be easier to just use the very old concepts.... > > > > > > > you could name " adjustment " .... " karma " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > the term 'karma' tends to have a personal connotation. > > > > > > I.e. it is generally thought that " someone " *has* the > > > > > > karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > I prefer " adjustment " because I prefer to think in > > > > > > terms of a dynamic system. The system is fluctuating, > > > > > > going through adjustments... no need to suppose an > > > > > > " anyone " involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok....i see what you mean.... > > > > > > > > > > but if " nobody " is involved...... > > > > > there is also no system which is fluctuating.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > there is " phenomena " ... > > > > what we call " appearance " > > > > and there is constant transformation, > > > > fluctuation, change in " appearance " ... > > > > > > > > such fluctuation can be seen as > > > > " my experience " , but not necessarily. > > > > > > > > to *see it as* a dynamic system is an > > > > alternative. Just a way of seeing. > > > > To see as a dynamic system is interesting > > > > at times. But to see it in those terms > > > > is not (necessarily) to say it *is* > > > > a system. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > It is strange to me that others can feel and understand > > > " change " and fluctuation. I do not understand it at all! > > > > > > Everything, every sequence of events is to me individual > > disconnected > > > parts that are complete things with no relation to each other... > > > I have a massive form of dyslexia in which I can only read one > > letter > > > at a time, never a whole word all at one glance. And that is how I > > > experience life. > > > > > > I artifically string things together in order to participate in > > life > > > events with other people. But I am just faking it. Often I am told > > > that my statements sound cumbersome or clumsy. > > > > > > As I am writing this my heart is pounding and I am hyperventalating > > > because I am touching something that feels powerful and explosive > > to > > > me, something I do not often look at. > > > > > > In the physical game of life this is not a pro survival state, > > because > > > writing my name or driving my car is imensly complicated to me... > > but > > > in a spiritual sense it is an infinity of individual " selves " and > > > " nows " , which is neither good nor bad. > > > I am not experiencing life this way, I am Being lives this way. > > > Nothing flows or changes, all things just are all at once to me. > > > > > > I often fear the future just like most other people, but I don't > > > comprehend how it is also, at some point, the present. > > > > > > Thanks for letting me express all of that to each of you as it > > helped > > > me see it more fully:-) > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > Namaste Stuart, > > > > You have it but don't see it;-) > > > > There is a Stuart, and within that/this " Stuart " was an embryo, > > a newborn, a toddler, a teenager, a young man, etc. and where ever > > you are in the being-ness and evolution of Stuart, there is still > > one that has not been 'experienced/lived' so the past and future > > Stuarts are all inherent in the present 'Stuart'. > > > > Does that help? > > > > Thanks for saying it, but I do not understand what you are saying... > > I don't experience an evolution of me, only different Stuarts. I > don't feel that I am a conglomerate of all of my history, To feel one is a conglomerate of all of one's history is illusion anyway. So you are a leg up there. That is a tough one for most to get past. > just an army > of selves, an army of selves or just myriad behaviors? if you experience yourself as just myriad behaviors not tied together by any " essential being " ... well, that is the real truth anyway. Here I am typing and the typing just happens. It is not *my* typing. Just some keys clicking and coincidentally some letters appearing on a screen. Oh yes, and just now a sense of some glasses in front of my face. And a certain taste in my mouth (yuk!)... all of which are as if not at all connected. Are you trying very hard to do something that doesn't need to be done, namely " pull all the elements of experience together " ? They don't need to be pulled together. The so-called " oneness " I experience is just that I allow all the elements of experience to float every which way without any regard. No attempt to hold anything together here! I can call that " oneness " but it is not that there is any " oneness feeling " involved. It is just that there is no conflict anywhere because nothing is being pushed to be something other than it is. > but my brain knows time and liniality and so my brain and I > disagree a lot:-) So there *is* conflict... and it is just that there is a paradigm of lineality that is believed to be important somehow. So ask yourself, " What lineality got to do with it? " Life is not linear. Look at science. Linear mathematics doesn't go very far does it? The functioning of the brain is not linear either. Perhaps read Gutenburg Galaxy by Marshall McLuhan. Good argument there that our entire preoccupation with lineality is derived from the advent of the printing press. Some things are linear. But precious few. Living in the Now with a human brain is not one of them! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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