Huxley’s “Error” from Jim Dodds from Now Newsletter

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Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual phenomena that

he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful metaphor. But

I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will drown us

that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we are not

enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our lives

and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the waters of

forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to this world

from heaven?

This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux of the

holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any conscious

intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that there is

simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature, which

always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into form. As

this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as consciousness

emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also develops

of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this is the

foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang and of

all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

enlightened.

Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea occurred

to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because they

are not communicating with anything like the abstract word symbols we

use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic holograms, not

symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to each

other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a recognizable

echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in another

dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

the long sought Ur language of humans has the same characteristics,

and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to utterances

that were literally reflections of the activity his brain produced

when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would produce

the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears such

an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition of the

same experience.

Such creatures retain their connection to the original

nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal, John

Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a spontaneous

awakening and return to that original state, which this community

acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have they

stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan Watts,

and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late night

musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I would

love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea into a

sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an interested party…

 

 

· Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

· Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

how to postpone gratification?

· Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

remembering that is already the case?

· Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

being here and now is what enlightenment is?

· Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

the now, to deny immediacy?

· Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

what " separates " us from immediacy?

· Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

things off and procrastination are all different names for denying

immediacy?

· Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from accepting and

believing and experiencing it is true?

· Would you agree that there must be some way to understand and

begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

distance ourselves from enlightenment?

 

What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the mind

by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all learn as

infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from enlightenment?

 

Jim Dodds

 

 

 

 

 

............bob

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual phenomena that

> he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful metaphor. But

> I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will drown us

> that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we are not

> enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our lives

> and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the waters of

> forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to this world

> from heaven?

> This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

> reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux of the

> holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any conscious

> intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that there is

> simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature, which

> always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into form. As

> this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as consciousness

> emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also develops

> of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this is the

> foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang and of

> all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

> enlightened.

> Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

> language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea occurred

> to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because they

> are not communicating with anything like the abstract word symbols we

> use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic holograms, not

> symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to each

> other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a recognizable

> echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in another

> dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

> the long sought Ur language of humans has the same characteristics,

> and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to utterances

> that were literally reflections of the activity his brain produced

> when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would produce

> the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears such

> an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition of the

> same experience.

> Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal, John

> Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a spontaneous

> awakening and return to that original state, which this community

> acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

> question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have they

> stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan Watts,

> and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late night

> musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I would

> love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea into a

> sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an interested party…

>

>

> · Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

> · Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

> how to postpone gratification?

> · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

> remembering that is already the case?

> · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

> being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

> the now, to deny immediacy?

> · Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

> of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> what " separates " us from immediacy?

> · Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

> things off and procrastination are all different names for denying

> immediacy?

> · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

> actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from accepting and

> believing and experiencing it is true?

> · Would you agree that there must be some way to understand and

> begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

> distance ourselves from enlightenment?

>

> What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the mind

> by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all learn as

> infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from enlightenment?

>

> Jim Dodds

>

>

>

>

>

> ...........bob

>

 

 

All of above is postulated from within an assumed psychological center.

 

When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its own

volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which even God

disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to experience God.

 

What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the illusory

separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

 

 

 

That's It.

 

That is All-There-Is to It.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> > protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual phenomena that

> > he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful metaphor. But

> > I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will drown us

> > that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we are not

> > enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our lives

> > and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the waters of

> > forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to this world

> > from heaven?

> > This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

> > reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux of the

> > holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any conscious

> > intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that there is

> > simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature, which

> > always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into form. As

> > this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as consciousness

> > emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also develops

> > of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this is the

> > foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang and of

> > all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

> > enlightened.

> > Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

> > language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea occurred

> > to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because they

> > are not communicating with anything like the abstract word symbols we

> > use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic holograms, not

> > symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to each

> > other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a recognizable

> > echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in another

> > dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> > Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

> > the long sought Ur language of humans has the same characteristics,

> > and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to utterances

> > that were literally reflections of the activity his brain produced

> > when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would produce

> > the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears such

> > an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition of the

> > same experience.

> > Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> > nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal, John

> > Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a spontaneous

> > awakening and return to that original state, which this community

> > acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

> > question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have they

> > stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan Watts,

> > and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late night

> > musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I would

> > love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea into a

> > sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an interested party…

> >

> >

> > · Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

> > · Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

> > how to postpone gratification?

> > · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> > others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> > enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

> > remembering that is already the case?

> > · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

> > being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> > · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

> > the now, to deny immediacy?

> > · Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

> > of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> > what " separates " us from immediacy?

> > · Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

> > things off and procrastination are all different names for denying

> > immediacy?

> > · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

> > actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from accepting and

> > believing and experiencing it is true?

> > · Would you agree that there must be some way to understand and

> > begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

> > distance ourselves from enlightenment?

> >

> > What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the mind

> > by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all learn as

> > infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from enlightenment?

> >

> > Jim Dodds

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...........bob

> >

>

>

> All of above is postulated from within an assumed psychological center.

>

> When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its own

> volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which even God

> disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to experience God.

>

> What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the illusory

> separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

>

>

>

> That's It.

>

> That is All-There-Is to It.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

There is no there, there. There is no here, here, there or anywhere.

The issuance of discrete states or entities such as enlightenment or

separation or in and out, this or that, is fine word play and flurtation.

 

But between these discrete words, lines and phrases is the river of

discretion, there is only our relationship: meeeeeeeeee to yoooooou

and the echoes of the way we touch as one into two and back again, fin

again and again's wake ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~

 

~ 8 ~

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> > > protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual phenomena

that

> > > he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful

metaphor. But

> > > I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will

drown us

> > > that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we are not

> > > enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our lives

> > > and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the

waters of

> > > forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to this

world

> > > from heaven?

> > > This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

> > > reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux of the

> > > holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any conscious

> > > intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that there is

> > > simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature, which

> > > always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into form. As

> > > this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as

consciousness

> > > emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also develops

> > > of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this

is the

> > > foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang and of

> > > all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

> > > enlightened.

> > > Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

> > > language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea

occurred

> > > to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because they

> > > are not communicating with anything like the abstract word

symbols we

> > > use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic holograms, not

> > > symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to each

> > > other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a recognizable

> > > echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in another

> > > dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> > > Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

> > > the long sought Ur language of humans has the same characteristics,

> > > and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to utterances

> > > that were literally reflections of the activity his brain produced

> > > when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would produce

> > > the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears such

> > > an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition

of the

> > > same experience.

> > > Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> > > nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal, John

> > > Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a spontaneous

> > > awakening and return to that original state, which this community

> > > acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

> > > question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have they

> > > stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan

Watts,

> > > and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late night

> > > musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I would

> > > love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea into a

> > > sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an interested

party…

> > >

> > >

> > > · Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

> > > · Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

> > > how to postpone gratification?

> > > · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> > > others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> > > enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

> > > remembering that is already the case?

> > > · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

> > > being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> > > · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

> > > the now, to deny immediacy?

> > > · Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

> > > of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> > > what " separates " us from immediacy?

> > > · Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

> > > things off and procrastination are all different names for denying

> > > immediacy?

> > > · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

> > > actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from

accepting and

> > > believing and experiencing it is true?

> > > · Would you agree that there must be some way to understand and

> > > begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

> > > distance ourselves from enlightenment?

> > >

> > > What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the mind

> > > by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all

learn as

> > > infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from enlightenment?

> > >

> > > Jim Dodds

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ...........bob

> > >

> >

> >

> > All of above is postulated from within an assumed psychological

center.

> >

> > When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its own

> > volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which even God

> > disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to experience God.

> >

> > What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the illusory

> > separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

> >

> >

> >

> > That's It.

> >

> > That is All-There-Is to It.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

> There is no there, there. There is no here, here, there or anywhere.

> The issuance of discrete states or entities such as enlightenment or

> separation or in and out, this or that, is fine word play and

flurtation.

>

> But between these discrete words, lines and phrases is the river of

> discretion, there is only our relationship: meeeeeeeeee to yoooooou

> and the echoes of the way we touch as one into two and back again, fin

> again and again's wake ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~

>

> ~ 8 ~

>

 

 

 

Ahhhhh ...........but hush now.

 

Words can take us no further............

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> > > > protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual phenomena

> that

> > > > he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful

> metaphor. But

> > > > I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will

> drown us

> > > > that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we

are not

> > > > enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our lives

> > > > and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the

> waters of

> > > > forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to this

> world

> > > > from heaven?

> > > > This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

> > > > reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux

of the

> > > > holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any conscious

> > > > intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that

there is

> > > > simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature, which

> > > > always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into

form. As

> > > > this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as

> consciousness

> > > > emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also

develops

> > > > of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this

> is the

> > > > foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang and of

> > > > all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

> > > > enlightened.

> > > > Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

> > > > language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea

> occurred

> > > > to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because

they

> > > > are not communicating with anything like the abstract word

> symbols we

> > > > use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic holograms, not

> > > > symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to

each

> > > > other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a

recognizable

> > > > echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in

another

> > > > dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> > > > Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

> > > > the long sought Ur language of humans has the same

characteristics,

> > > > and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to

utterances

> > > > that were literally reflections of the activity his brain produced

> > > > when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would

produce

> > > > the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears

such

> > > > an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition

> of the

> > > > same experience.

> > > > Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> > > > nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal, John

> > > > Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a spontaneous

> > > > awakening and return to that original state, which this community

> > > > acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

> > > > question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have they

> > > > stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan

> Watts,

> > > > and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late night

> > > > musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I

would

> > > > love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea

into a

> > > > sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an interested

> party…

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > · Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

> > > > · Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

> > > > how to postpone gratification?

> > > > · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> > > > others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> > > > enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

> > > > remembering that is already the case?

> > > > · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

> > > > being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> > > > · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

> > > > the now, to deny immediacy?

> > > > · Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

> > > > of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> > > > what " separates " us from immediacy?

> > > > · Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

> > > > things off and procrastination are all different names for denying

> > > > immediacy?

> > > > · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

> > > > actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from

> accepting and

> > > > believing and experiencing it is true?

> > > > · Would you agree that there must be some way to understand and

> > > > begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

> > > > distance ourselves from enlightenment?

> > > >

> > > > What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the

mind

> > > > by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all

> learn as

> > > > infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from enlightenment?

> > > >

> > > > Jim Dodds

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...........bob

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > All of above is postulated from within an assumed psychological

> center.

> > >

> > > When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its own

> > > volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which even God

> > > disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to experience God.

> > >

> > > What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the illusory

> > > separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That's It.

> > >

> > > That is All-There-Is to It.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> >

> > There is no there, there. There is no here, here, there or anywhere.

> > The issuance of discrete states or entities such as enlightenment or

> > separation or in and out, this or that, is fine word play and

> flurtation.

> >

> > But between these discrete words, lines and phrases is the river of

> > discretion, there is only our relationship: meeeeeeeeee to yoooooou

> > and the echoes of the way we touch as one into two and back again, fin

> > again and again's wake ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~

> >

> > ~ 8 ~

> >

>

>

>

> Ahhhhh ...........but hush now.

>

> Words can take us no further............

>

 

" further,

father "

 

Icarus

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> > protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual phenomena

that

> > he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful metaphor.

But

> > I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will

drown us

> > that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we are

not

> > enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our lives

> > and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the

waters of

> > forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to this

world

> > from heaven?

> > This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

> > reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux of

the

> > holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any conscious

> > intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that there

is

> > simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature, which

> > always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into form.

As

> > this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as

consciousness

> > emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also

develops

> > of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this is

the

> > foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang and of

> > all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

> > enlightened.

> > Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

> > language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea

occurred

> > to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because

they

> > are not communicating with anything like the abstract word

symbols we

> > use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic holograms, not

> > symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to

each

> > other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a

recognizable

> > echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in

another

> > dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> > Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

> > the long sought Ur language of humans has the same

characteristics,

> > and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to

utterances

> > that were literally reflections of the activity his brain produced

> > when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would

produce

> > the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears

such

> > an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition of

the

> > same experience.

> > Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> > nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal, John

> > Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a spontaneous

> > awakening and return to that original state, which this community

> > acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

> > question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have they

> > stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan

Watts,

> > and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late night

> > musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I

would

> > love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea

into a

> > sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an interested

party…

> >

> >

> > · Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

> > · Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

> > how to postpone gratification?

> > · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> > others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> > enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

> > remembering that is already the case?

> > · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

> > being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> > · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

> > the now, to deny immediacy?

> > · Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

> > of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> > what " separates " us from immediacy?

> > · Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

> > things off and procrastination are all different names for denying

> > immediacy?

> > · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

> > actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from accepting

and

> > believing and experiencing it is true?

> > · Would you agree that there must be some way to understand and

> > begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

> > distance ourselves from enlightenment?

> >

> > What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the

mind

> > by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all

learn as

> > infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from enlightenment?

> >

> > Jim Dodds

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...........bob

> >

>

>

> All of above is postulated from within an assumed psychological

center.

>

> When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its own

> volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which even God

> disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to experience God.

>

> What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the illusory

> separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

>

>

>

> That's It.

>

> That is All-There-Is to It.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

;-)))

 

IMAGINE!

 

.....bob

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> > > > > protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual phenomena

> > that

> > > > > he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful

> > metaphor. But

> > > > > I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will

> > drown us

> > > > > that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we

> are not

> > > > > enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our

lives

> > > > > and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the

> > waters of

> > > > > forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to this

> > world

> > > > > from heaven?

> > > > > This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

> > > > > reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux

> of the

> > > > > holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any conscious

> > > > > intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that

> there is

> > > > > simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature,

which

> > > > > always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into

> form. As

> > > > > this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as

> > consciousness

> > > > > emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also

> develops

> > > > > of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this

> > is the

> > > > > foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang

and of

> > > > > all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

> > > > > enlightened.

> > > > > Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

> > > > > language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea

> > occurred

> > > > > to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because

> they

> > > > > are not communicating with anything like the abstract word

> > symbols we

> > > > > use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic

holograms, not

> > > > > symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to

> each

> > > > > other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a

> recognizable

> > > > > echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in

> another

> > > > > dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> > > > > Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

> > > > > the long sought Ur language of humans has the same

> characteristics,

> > > > > and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to

> utterances

> > > > > that were literally reflections of the activity his brain

produced

> > > > > when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would

> produce

> > > > > the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears

> such

> > > > > an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition

> > of the

> > > > > same experience.

> > > > > Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> > > > > nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal,

John

> > > > > Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a spontaneous

> > > > > awakening and return to that original state, which this

community

> > > > > acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

> > > > > question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have

they

> > > > > stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan

> > Watts,

> > > > > and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late

night

> > > > > musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I

> would

> > > > > love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea

> into a

> > > > > sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an interested

> > party…

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

> > > > > · Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

> > > > > how to postpone gratification?

> > > > > · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> > > > > others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> > > > > enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

> > > > > remembering that is already the case?

> > > > > · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

> > > > > being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> > > > > · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

> > > > > the now, to deny immediacy?

> > > > > · Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

> > > > > of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> > > > > what " separates " us from immediacy?

> > > > > · Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

> > > > > things off and procrastination are all different names for

denying

> > > > > immediacy?

> > > > > · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

> > > > > actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from

> > accepting and

> > > > > believing and experiencing it is true?

> > > > > · Would you agree that there must be some way to understand and

> > > > > begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

> > > > > distance ourselves from enlightenment?

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the

> mind

> > > > > by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all

> > learn as

> > > > > infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from

enlightenment?

> > > > >

> > > > > Jim Dodds

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...........bob

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > All of above is postulated from within an assumed psychological

> > center.

> > > >

> > > > When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its own

> > > > volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which

even God

> > > > disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to

experience God.

> > > >

> > > > What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the illusory

> > > > separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > That's It.

> > > >

> > > > That is All-There-Is to It.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > There is no there, there. There is no here, here, there or

anywhere.

> > > The issuance of discrete states or entities such as

enlightenment or

> > > separation or in and out, this or that, is fine word play and

> > flurtation.

> > >

> > > But between these discrete words, lines and phrases is the

river of

> > > discretion, there is only our relationship: meeeeeeeeee to yoooooou

> > > and the echoes of the way we touch as one into two and back

again, fin

> > > again and again's wake ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~

> > >

> > > ~ 8 ~

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ahhhhh ...........but hush now.

> >

> > Words can take us no further............

> >

>

> " further,

> father "

>

> Icarus

>

 

 

 

 

Indeed.....to procede beyond this point.........is to place the self

in jeopardy.

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> > > > > > protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual

phenomena

> > > that

> > > > > > he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful

> > > metaphor. But

> > > > > > I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent will

> > > drown us

> > > > > > that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we pretend we

> > are not

> > > > > > enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of our

> lives

> > > > > > and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe, the

> > > waters of

> > > > > > forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend to

this

> > > world

> > > > > > from heaven?

> > > > > > This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a coded

> > > > > > reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the outflux

> > of the

> > > > > > holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any

conscious

> > > > > > intention to create the world such a scenario suggests that

> > there is

> > > > > > simply an internal momentum inherent in the original nature,

> which

> > > > > > always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos into

> > form. As

> > > > > > this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as

> > > consciousness

> > > > > > emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What also

> > develops

> > > > > > of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself, and this

> > > is the

> > > > > > foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as yang

> and of

> > > > > > all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are not

> > > > > > enlightened.

> > > > > > Before we continue that discussion though, a digression about

> > > > > > language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the idea

> > > occurred

> > > > > > to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins because

> > they

> > > > > > are not communicating with anything like the abstract word

> > > symbols we

> > > > > > use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic

> holograms, not

> > > > > > symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are talking to

> > each

> > > > > > other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a

> > recognizable

> > > > > > echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers in

> > another

> > > > > > dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> > > > > > Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation that

> > > > > > the long sought Ur language of humans has the same

> > characteristics,

> > > > > > and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to

> > utterances

> > > > > > that were literally reflections of the activity his brain

> produced

> > > > > > when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that would

> > produce

> > > > > > the same picture in another brain. When another creature hears

> > such

> > > > > > an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-cognition

> > > of the

> > > > > > same experience.

> > > > > > Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> > > > > > nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne Segal,

> John

> > > > > > Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a

spontaneous

> > > > > > awakening and return to that original state, which this

> community

> > > > > > acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own way, " the

> > > > > > question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What have

> they

> > > > > > stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I discovered Alan

> > > Watts,

> > > > > > and I've been studying that question ever since. In my late

> night

> > > > > > musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea that I

> > would

> > > > > > love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that idea

> > into a

> > > > > > sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an

interested

> > > party…

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > · Would you agree that there is such a thing as enlightenment?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that one of the first things humans learn is

> > > > > > how to postpone gratification?

> > > > > > · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> > > > > > others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> > > > > > enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one away from

> > > > > > remembering that is already the case?

> > > > > > · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that simply

> > > > > > being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push away

> > > > > > the now, to deny immediacy?

> > > > > > · Do you understand the argument that we create our own sense

> > > > > > of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> > > > > > what " separates " us from immediacy?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that postponement of gratification, putting

> > > > > > things off and procrastination are all different names for

> denying

> > > > > > immediacy?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are all

> > > > > > actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from

> > > accepting and

> > > > > > believing and experiencing it is true?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that there must be some way to

understand and

> > > > > > begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we constantly

> > > > > > distance ourselves from enlightenment?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced in the

> > mind

> > > > > > by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we all

> > > learn as

> > > > > > infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from

> enlightenment?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jim Dodds

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...........bob

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > All of above is postulated from within an assumed psychological

> > > center.

> > > > >

> > > > > When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its own

> > > > > volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which

> even God

> > > > > disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to

> experience God.

> > > > >

> > > > > What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the illusory

> > > > > separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > That's It.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is All-There-Is to It.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is no there, there. There is no here, here, there or

> anywhere.

> > > > The issuance of discrete states or entities such as

> enlightenment or

> > > > separation or in and out, this or that, is fine word play and

> > > flurtation.

> > > >

> > > > But between these discrete words, lines and phrases is the

> river of

> > > > discretion, there is only our relationship: meeeeeeeeee to

yoooooou

> > > > and the echoes of the way we touch as one into two and back

> again, fin

> > > > again and again's wake ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~

> > > >

> > > > ~ 8 ~

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ahhhhh ...........but hush now.

> > >

> > > Words can take us no further............

> > >

> >

> > " further,

> > father "

> >

> > Icarus

> >

>

>

>

>

> Indeed.....to procede beyond this point.........is to place the self

> in jeopardy.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

proceed?

beyond?

point?

place?

self?

jeopardy?

 

......((-;

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Huxley's idea of a " reducing valve of consciousness " that

> > > > > > protects us from drowning in the torrent of perceptual

phenomena

> > > that

> > > > > > he expressed in " The Doors of Perception " is a powerful

> > > metaphor. But

> > > > > > I wonder if it is precisely the belief that the torrent

will

> > > drown us

> > > > > > that leads to the denial of immediacy by which we

pretend we

> > are not

> > > > > > enlightened. Is this why we forget the earliest years of

our

> lives

> > > > > > and is it perhaps what is meant by the legend of Lethe,

the

> > > waters of

> > > > > > forgetfulness, which we drink of just before we descend

to this

> > > world

> > > > > > from heaven?

> > > > > > This " descent " into the world from a higher state is a

coded

> > > > > > reference to what Bohm might have referred to as the

outflux

> > of the

> > > > > > holomovement from the implicate order. Rather than any

conscious

> > > > > > intention to create the world such a scenario suggests

that

> > there is

> > > > > > simply an internal momentum inherent in the original

nature,

> which

> > > > > > always proceeds from what we usually refer to as chaos

into

> > form. As

> > > > > > this tendency to form proceeds intention may develop as

> > > consciousness

> > > > > > emerges from the background potentiality of mind. What

also

> > develops

> > > > > > of course is the tendency of form to conserve itself,

and this

> > > is the

> > > > > > foundation of the energy that Lao Tzu characterizes as

yang

> and of

> > > > > > all forms of conservatism. It is why we pretend we are

not

> > > > > > enlightened.

> > > > > > Before we continue that discussion though, a digression

about

> > > > > > language is too tempting to resist. A few years ago the

idea

> > > occurred

> > > > > > to me that we cannot decipher the language of dolphins

because

> > they

> > > > > > are not communicating with anything like the abstract

word

> > > symbols we

> > > > > > use. It may be that their cries are actually sonic

> holograms, not

> > > > > > symbols but actual pictures of the objects they are

talking to

> > each

> > > > > > other about. Just as the sonar of a submarine returns a

> > recognizable

> > > > > > echo I believe that the utterance of a dolphin registers

in

> > another

> > > > > > dolphins brain as a picture, not a word.

> > > > > > Through a tortuous track this leads to the speculation

that

> > > > > > the long sought Ur language of humans has the same

> > characteristics,

> > > > > > and that the legend of Adam naming the animals refers to

> > utterances

> > > > > > that were literally reflections of the activity his brain

> produced

> > > > > > when he saw various creatures, reflex utterances that

would

> > produce

> > > > > > the same picture in another brain. When another creature

hears

> > such

> > > > > > an utterance the reflection in its brain produces re-

cognition

> > > of the

> > > > > > same experience.

> > > > > > Such creatures retain their connection to the original

> > > > > > nature, and when people like Douglas Harding, Suzanne

Segal,

> John

> > > > > > Wren-Lewis and Byron Katie have this experience of a

spontaneous

> > > > > > awakening and return to that original state, which this

> community

> > > > > > acknowledges as a sort of " getting out of one's own

way, " the

> > > > > > question becomes not, " What have they done? " but, " What

have

> they

> > > > > > stopped doing? " I was seventeen in 1961 when I

discovered Alan

> > > Watts,

> > > > > > and I've been studying that question ever since. In my

late

> night

> > > > > > musings a few days ago I came upon an interesting idea

that I

> > would

> > > > > > love to share and hear reflections on. I formulated that

idea

> > into a

> > > > > > sort of questionnaire, which one might present to an

interested

> > > party…

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > · Would you agree that there is such a thing as

enlightenment?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that one of the first things humans

learn is

> > > > > > how to postpone gratification?

> > > > > > · Do you understand the argument made by Krishnamurti and

> > > > > > others that there is nothing one can " do " to move toward

> > > > > > enlightenment, as " doing " is exactly what pushes one

away from

> > > > > > remembering that is already the case?

> > > > > > · Would you agree with Eckhart Tolle's statement that

simply

> > > > > > being here and now is what enlightenment is?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that what we constantly do is to push

away

> > > > > > the now, to deny immediacy?

> > > > > > · Do you understand the argument that we create our own

sense

> > > > > > of time and that the sense of time passing is exactly

> > > > > > what " separates " us from immediacy?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that postponement of gratification,

putting

> > > > > > things off and procrastination are all different names

for

> denying

> > > > > > immediacy?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that the advaita attitude that we are

all

> > > > > > actually enlightened but somehow prevent ourselves from

> > > accepting and

> > > > > > believing and experiencing it is true?

> > > > > > · Would you agree that there must be some way to

understand and

> > > > > > begin to " unlearn " the habitual process by which we

constantly

> > > > > > distance ourselves from enlightenment?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do you think of my idea that the attitude produced

in the

> > mind

> > > > > > by the notion of postponement of gratification, which we

all

> > > learn as

> > > > > > infants, is precisely what slowly separates us from

> enlightenment?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jim Dodds

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...........bob

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > All of above is postulated from within an assumed

psychological

> > > center.

> > > > >

> > > > > When that imaginary center falls away...(not through its

own

> > > > > volition)...there is an unspeakable emptiness.....in which

> even God

> > > > > disappears....because there is no one or no-thing to

> experience God.

> > > > >

> > > > > What appears as the dark night of the soul......is the

illusory

> > > > > separation......bleeding out.......into itself.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > That's It.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is All-There-Is to It.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is no there, there. There is no here, here, there or

> anywhere.

> > > > The issuance of discrete states or entities such as

> enlightenment or

> > > > separation or in and out, this or that, is fine word play and

> > > flurtation.

> > > >

> > > > But between these discrete words, lines and phrases is the

> river of

> > > > discretion, there is only our relationship: meeeeeeeeee to

yoooooou

> > > > and the echoes of the way we touch as one into two and back

> again, fin

> > > > again and again's wake ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~

> > > >

> > > > ~ 8 ~

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ahhhhh ...........but hush now.

> > >

> > > Words can take us no further............

> > >

> >

> > " further,

> > father "

> >

> > Icarus

> >

>

>

>

>

> Indeed.....to procede beyond this point.........is to place the

self

> in jeopardy.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

MYSTICAL MARRIAGE

 

when the soul falls in love

with her own dark night

the fire of self-immolation

is the bread we taste,

we give to one another in

Holy Communion

the dance

the mystery

the feast

the marriage of soul to spirit

 

the golden ring,

 

is 'Yours' is 'Mine'

 

forever entwined

what God has put together let no man pull asunder..

 

Wedded Bliss

 

THIS IS.

 

I Am...

 

Yours and You are Mine...

 

In Love... always All Ways

 

One.

 

There is no 'Other'.

 

....In Love...

 

 

 

 

YIL,

Ana