Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Re: Neo Advaita/pete/experiment > P: Do you mean to discourage seekers, in general, from practice? > Do you think only to understand is needed to realize? > Do you think that doing doesn't foster understanding? > Many times trials and errors are essential to understand an issue > under investigation. Bill: This reminds me of when, so many years ago, I first encountered Krishnamurti's recommendation to " experiment " . That jolted me at the time. It seemed to contradict what he had been saying about there being no " doer " . But now there is no contradiction for me. The bottom line, in my view, is that there aren't things that are " wrong " in a nondual sense. Nondualism isn't an axiom system that rules certain things out. Really there are no rules in nondualism/advaita as I see it. Bill P: Yes, there is no contradiction between doing and knowing. I have come to see that my hands understand in a way, my intellect doesn't. My eyes have a different way of knowing and remembering than my ears, or my sense of touch. So walking meditation, could complement sitting, and chanting and dancing could trigger a deep understanding. Those who recommend do nothing, may be placing your mind in a jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > Re: Neo Advaita/pete/experiment > > > P: Do you mean to discourage seekers, in general, from practice? > > Do you think only to understand is needed to realize? > > Do you think that doing doesn't foster understanding? > > Many times trials and errors are essential to understand an issue > > under investigation. > > Bill: This reminds me of when, so many years ago, I first > encountered Krishnamurti's recommendation to " experiment " . > That jolted me at the time. It seemed to contradict what > he had been saying about there being no " doer " . > > But now there is no contradiction for me. > > The bottom line, in my view, is that there aren't things > that are " wrong " in a nondual sense. Nondualism isn't an > axiom system that rules certain things out. > > Really there are no rules in nondualism/advaita as I see it. > > Bill > > P: Yes, there is no contradiction between > doing and knowing. I have come to see that > my hands understand in a way, my intellect > doesn't. My eyes have a different way of knowing > and remembering than my ears, or my sense of touch. > So walking meditation, could complement sitting, > and chanting and dancing could trigger a deep > understanding. Those who recommend do nothing, > may be placing your mind in a jar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > Re: Neo Advaita/pete/experiment > > > P: Do you mean to discourage seekers, in general, from practice? > > Do you think only to understand is needed to realize? > > Do you think that doing doesn't foster understanding? > > Many times trials and errors are essential to understand an issue > > under investigation. > > Bill: This reminds me of when, so many years ago, I first > encountered Krishnamurti's recommendation to " experiment " . > That jolted me at the time. It seemed to contradict what > he had been saying about there being no " doer " . > > But now there is no contradiction for me. > > The bottom line, in my view, is that there aren't things > that are " wrong " in a nondual sense. Nondualism isn't an > axiom system that rules certain things out. > > Really there are no rules in nondualism/advaita as I see it. > > Bill > > P: Yes, there is no contradiction between > doing and knowing. I have come to see that > my hands understand in a way, my intellect > doesn't. My eyes have a different way of knowing > and remembering than my ears, or my sense of touch. > So walking meditation, could complement sitting, > and chanting and dancing could trigger a deep > understanding. how is walking meditation different from walking and how is chanting and dancing different from talking to people, going to a music club, etc.? you say yourself that activities, things to do, complement each other, so why do you still separate a group of activities (meditation, chanting) from all the stuff we normally do in everyday life? Those who recommend do nothing, > may be placing your mind in a jar. how can you do nothing? you can do nothing *with regard to* a specific thing - a goal you have set for yourself, a result you're trying to accomplish. otherwise, i don't see how you can do nothing. if you mean that it's not good to do nothing with regard to understanding life, i'd say it's ridiculous. what isn't life? and what activity is doing nothing with regard to understanding life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > > Re: Neo Advaita/pete/experiment > > > > > P: Do you mean to discourage seekers, in general, from practice? > > > Do you think only to understand is needed to realize? > > > Do you think that doing doesn't foster understanding? > > > Many times trials and errors are essential to understand an > issue > > > under investigation. > > > > Bill: This reminds me of when, so many years ago, I first > > encountered Krishnamurti's recommendation to " experiment " . > > That jolted me at the time. It seemed to contradict what > > he had been saying about there being no " doer " . > > > > But now there is no contradiction for me. > > > > The bottom line, in my view, is that there aren't things > > that are " wrong " in a nondual sense. Nondualism isn't an > > axiom system that rules certain things out. > > > > Really there are no rules in nondualism/advaita as I see it. > > > > Bill > > > > P: Yes, there is no contradiction between > > doing and knowing. I have come to see that > > my hands understand in a way, my intellect > > doesn't. My eyes have a different way of knowing > > and remembering than my ears, or my sense of touch. > > So walking meditation, could complement sitting, > > and chanting and dancing could trigger a deep > > understanding. Those who recommend do nothing, > > may be placing your mind in a jar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > Re: Neo Advaita/pete/experiment > > > > > > > P: Do you mean to discourage seekers, in general, from practice? > > > > Do you think only to understand is needed to realize? > > > > Do you think that doing doesn't foster understanding? > > > > Many times trials and errors are essential to understand an > > issue > > > > under investigation. > > > > > > Bill: This reminds me of when, so many years ago, I first > > > encountered Krishnamurti's recommendation to " experiment " . > > > That jolted me at the time. It seemed to contradict what > > > he had been saying about there being no " doer " . > > > > > > But now there is no contradiction for me. > > > > > > The bottom line, in my view, is that there aren't things > > > that are " wrong " in a nondual sense. Nondualism isn't an > > > axiom system that rules certain things out. > > > > > > Really there are no rules in nondualism/advaita as I see it. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Yes, there is no contradiction between > > > doing and knowing. I have come to see that > > > my hands understand in a way, my intellect > > > doesn't. My eyes have a different way of knowing > > > and remembering than my ears, or my sense of touch. > > > So walking meditation, could complement sitting, > > > and chanting and dancing could trigger a deep > > > understanding. Those who recommend do nothing, > > > may be placing your mind in a jar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > Re: Neo Advaita/pete/experiment > > > > > > > P: Do you mean to discourage seekers, in general, from practice? > > > > Do you think only to understand is needed to realize? > > > > Do you think that doing doesn't foster understanding? > > > > Many times trials and errors are essential to understand an > > issue > > > > under investigation. > > > > > > Bill: This reminds me of when, so many years ago, I first > > > encountered Krishnamurti's recommendation to " experiment " . > > > That jolted me at the time. It seemed to contradict what > > > he had been saying about there being no " doer " . > > > > > > But now there is no contradiction for me. > > > > > > The bottom line, in my view, is that there aren't things > > > that are " wrong " in a nondual sense. Nondualism isn't an > > > axiom system that rules certain things out. > > > > > > Really there are no rules in nondualism/advaita as I see it. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > P: Yes, there is no contradiction between > > > doing and knowing. I have come to see that > > > my hands understand in a way, my intellect > > > doesn't. My eyes have a different way of knowing > > > and remembering than my ears, or my sense of touch. > > > So walking meditation, could complement sitting, > > > and chanting and dancing could trigger a deep > > > understanding. Those who recommend do nothing, > > > may be placing your mind in a jar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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