Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > take yourself to be what you are not and all you do is > sustaining > > > this dream-self-world... > > > ...iietsa > > > > D: there is no way to take yourself for what you are not. > THEN TO TAKE YOURSELF TO BE A PERSON WITH A BODY AND A MIND OWNING A > HOUSE AND A CAR A JOB SOME MONEY AND HAVING RELATIONSHIPS WITH > ENEMIES AND SUFFERING THAT YOU ARE TRYING HARD TO RUN AWAY FROM > IGNORE OR FIGHT...BATTLE TO REACH FOR A MOMENT OF JOY AND SO ON... > ALL THIS IS NO ACTUAL MISTAKE...ITS JUST THE WAY THE STORY > GOES ...THE EVER UNSPLIT ULTIMATE TRUTH...? Yes. Quite so. It is all a " set up " from the get-go. There was never any actual individual choice involved in any of the seeming choices, no centralized being to " make " or " have " the experiences you describe -- anywhere, at any apparent time (time depending on the subjective accounting of the supposed central entity). Otherwise, there could be a real separative existence for a being with its own center of existence. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > take yourself to be what you are not and all you do is > > sustaining > > > > this dream-self-world... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > D: there is no way to take yourself for what you are not. > > > THEN TO TAKE YOURSELF TO BE A PERSON WITH A BODY AND A MIND OWNING > A > > HOUSE AND A CAR A JOB SOME MONEY AND HAVING RELATIONSHIPS WITH > > ENEMIES AND SUFFERING THAT YOU ARE TRYING HARD TO RUN AWAY FROM > > IGNORE OR FIGHT...BATTLE TO REACH FOR A MOMENT OF JOY AND SO ON... > > ALL THIS IS NO ACTUAL MISTAKE...ITS JUST THE WAY THE STORY > > GOES ...THE EVER UNSPLIT ULTIMATE TRUTH...? > > Yes. > > Quite so. > > It is all a " set up " from the get-go. > > There was never any actual individual choice involved in any of the > seeming choices, no centralized being to " make " or " have " the > experiences you describe -- anywhere, at any apparent time (time > depending on the subjective accounting of the supposed central > entity). > > Otherwise, there could be a real separative existence for a being > with its own center of existence. > > > -- Dan > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter to be wise.. if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not kicking full and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the world... without this power of the natural...do what you will or dont.... you will remain what you are... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter to be wise.. > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not kicking full > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the world... > without this power of the natural...do what you will or dont.... > you will remain what you are... > > ...iietsa Are there really those who have and those who lack? Or is what is, indivisible? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter to be wise.. > > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not kicking full > > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the world... > > without this power of the natural...do what you will or dont.... > > you will remain what you are... > > > > ...iietsa > > Are there really those who have and those who lack? > > Or is what is, indivisible? > > > -- Dan > what you hear and read will not make much difference... you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non-dualism... trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... dont depend on words...they are not the real... be the real...and words will find their own place... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter to be > wise.. > > > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not kicking > full > > > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the world... > > > without this power of the natural...do what you will or dont.... > > > you will remain what you are... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > Are there really those who have and those who lack? > > > > Or is what is, indivisible? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non-dualism... > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > be the real...and words will find their own place... > ...iietsa > What if...........there were no 'real being'? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter to be > > wise.. > > > > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not kicking > > full > > > > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the world... > > > > without this power of the natural...do what you will or dont.... > > > > you will remain what you are... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > Are there really those who have and those who lack? > > > > > > Or is what is, indivisible? > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- dualism... > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > What if...........there were no 'real being'? > > > > toombaru > one idea is that there is good and bad... another that there is real and false... another that all ideas are false... what is beyond all thinking....cannot be caught by tought... just leave the mind to itself...and see for yourself.... what can never be caught in words... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter to > be > > > wise.. > > > > > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not kicking > > > full > > > > > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the > world... > > > > > without this power of the natural...do what you will or > dont.... > > > > > you will remain what you are... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > Are there really those who have and those who lack? > > > > > > > > Or is what is, indivisible? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > dualism... > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > What if...........there were no 'real being'? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > one idea is that there is good and bad... > another that there is real and false... > another that all ideas are false... > what is beyond all thinking....cannot be caught by tought... > just leave the mind to itself...and see for yourself.... > what can never be caught in words... > ...iietsa > Where do you get this stuff? There is no way out of this. ..........for one very simple reason. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter to > > be > > > > wise.. > > > > > > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not kicking > > > > full > > > > > > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the > > world... > > > > > > without this power of the natural...do what you will or > > dont.... > > > > > > you will remain what you are... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > Are there really those who have and those who lack? > > > > > > > > > > Or is what is, indivisible? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > > dualism... > > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if...........there were no 'real being'? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > one idea is that there is good and bad... > > another that there is real and false... > > another that all ideas are false... > > what is beyond all thinking....cannot be caught by tought... > > just leave the mind to itself...and see for yourself.... > > what can never be caught in words... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > Where do you get this stuff? > > > There is no way out of this. > > > .........for one very simple reason. > > > toombaru > there is no way in...and there is no way out... and whats the reason toombaru ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter > to > > > be > > > > > wise.. > > > > > > > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not > kicking > > > > > full > > > > > > > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the > > > world... > > > > > > > without this power of the natural...do what you will or > > > dont.... > > > > > > > you will remain what you are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there really those who have and those who lack? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is what is, indivisible? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > > > dualism... > > > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if...........there were no 'real being'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > one idea is that there is good and bad... > > > another that there is real and false... > > > another that all ideas are false... > > > what is beyond all thinking....cannot be caught by tought... > > > just leave the mind to itself...and see for yourself.... > > > what can never be caught in words... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you get this stuff? > > > > > > There is no way out of this. > > > > > > .........for one very simple reason. > > > > > > toombaru > > > there is no way in...and there is no way out... > and whats the reason toombaru ? > ...iietsa > Wanna guess? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non-dualism... > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > be the real...and words will find their own place... > ...iietsa I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non-dualism... > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > ...iietsa > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > -- Dan > Let him eat cake. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- dualism... > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > ...iietsa > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > -- Dan > the true Self does not depend on anything at all... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- dualism... > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > ...iietsa > > > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > Let him eat cake. > > > toombaru > are you saying that you are trying to offer me love ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if love is not deep and alive...then what does it matter > > to > > > > be > > > > > > wise.. > > > > > > > > if the pure power of your true nature is somehow not > > kicking > > > > > > full > > > > > > > > and wild on its own...then what good is anything in the > > > > world... > > > > > > > > without this power of the natural...do what you will or > > > > dont.... > > > > > > > > you will remain what you are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there really those who have and those who lack? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is what is, indivisible? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > > > > dualism... > > > > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if...........there were no 'real being'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > one idea is that there is good and bad... > > > > another that there is real and false... > > > > another that all ideas are false... > > > > what is beyond all thinking....cannot be caught by tought... > > > > just leave the mind to itself...and see for yourself.... > > > > what can never be caught in words... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you get this stuff? > > > > > > > > > There is no way out of this. > > > > > > > > > .........for one very simple reason. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > there is no way in...and there is no way out... > > and whats the reason toombaru ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > Wanna guess? > > > > toombaru > I never guess ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > > dualism... > > > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let him eat cake. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > are you saying that you are trying to offer me love ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > Yes > I am all open.... ....iettsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > dualism... > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > ...iietsa > > > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > > > -- Dan > > > > the true Self does not depend on anything at all... > > ...iietsa I don't depend on any " true Self. " -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > > dualism... > > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > the true Self does not depend on anything at all... > > > > ...iietsa > > I don't depend on any " true Self. " > > -- Dan > Dan. I think he meant Trues Elf. You just have to take a little more time reading. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > > dualism... > > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > the true Self does not depend on anything at all... > > > > ...iietsa > > I don't depend on any " true Self. " > > -- Dan > you are the true Self...not the words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what you hear and read will not make much difference... > > > > > you can read about love or non-dualism for twenty years... > > > > > and that is just twenty years of reading about love or non- > > > dualism... > > > > > trow all this away for the true love...for your real being... > > > > > dont depend on words...they are not the real... > > > > > be the real...and words will find their own place... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > I guess I just can't depend on you, after all. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > the true Self does not depend on anything at all... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > I don't depend on any " true Self. " > > > > -- Dan > > > you are the true Self...not the words Yes, for what do the words arise in, upon which they have never been able to comment? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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