Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: On a new-moon day a group of very orthodox brahmins came to the ashram from town. They wanted to pay their respects to Bhagavan first and then have a bath and return to the town for tarpanam, a new-moon ceremony in which one worships one's ancestors. As the ashram was situated between several burial grounds, the place was considered polluting. After leaving it a bath was mandatory. Also, because of restrictions due to the new moon, the tarpanam ceremony and the proximity of burial grounds, they would not be able to eat food in the ashram. Bhagavan greeted them all and invited them to have breakfast with him. How could they refuse? They went to the dining hall, sat down and were served uppuma, a wheat dish cooked with spices and fried vegetables, and coffee. After the breakfast Bhagavan was explaining the nutritional and dietetic virtues of onion. Somebody remarked that onions carry their odour with them into every food. 'Not at all,' said Bhagavan. 'If you fry them in castor oil they lose their odour completely. Could you smell the onions in the uppuma? Have I not succeeded in making them odourless?' The poor brahmins, who never touched onions and garlic, were shocked. What saved them from serious trouble with their caste was the fact that what they did or ate was at Bhagavan's bidding! An even more extreme example springs to mind. A devotee once brought some expensive halva for Bhagavan. The sweets were arranged on a large tray and put before Bhagavan on the ground. A dog came in and touched the sweets with hisnose. One of the inmates got furious and tried to drive the dog away. Bhagavan got up and shouted at the devotee, 'Get out! What right have you to drive this dog away? On what grounds do you stop a dog from eating? Does this halva belong to you?' He cut the halva into pieces, ate some himself and distributed the rest with his own hands. All the people present had to eat it as his prasad whether they wanted to or not. Bhagavan was not always so insistent. My younger brother once came to the ashram. He was not in the habit of drinking tea or coffee and generally refused when he was offered some. When the afternoon cup of coffee was distributed, he asked to be excused. He was told that he must drink it, for all food given in the ashram, he was informed, was Bhagavan's prasad and cannot be refused. My brother went straight to Bhagavan and said, 'They say that coffee is your prasad. I am not accustomed to coffee and I do not like it.' Bhagavan answered, 'I never ask for coffee. Whether I like it or not, people make me drink coffee, say that coffee is my prasad, and then drink coffee to their heart's content. They also induce others to drink it, saying that if they refuse, they refuse my prasad.' (From pages 74-75.) Some of his positions on orthodoxy seemed at first sight to be a little perplexing. Onions and garlic were used in the ashram kitchen when it was known that many orthodox brahmins would not eat food that had been prepared with them. Major Chadwick once asked Bhagavan if eating onions was an impediment to spiritual progress, and Bhagavan agreed that it was. Chadwick, though he was not a Hindu and was not therefore subject to sastraic injunctions, immediately gave them up, but many of the ashram's brahmins continued to eat them in the dining room. How could such a situation come about? I think the answer lies in the freedom Bhagavan gave to his devotees to choose their own path. It is true that he allowed a good deal of liberty to his followers in the matter of the food they ate, but that does not necessarily mean that he approved of what they were doing. Bhagavan's way was to influence rather than command. The true command, according to Bhagavan, should come from within, leading to voluntary and not enforced right action. Bhagavan never ordered Devaraja Mudaliar, for example, to become a vegetarian, but when the latter was wondering whether he should take this step, he asked Bhagavan's advice. He was not sure whether a vegetarian diet would contain adequate nourishment for him. This was after he had been a devotee for many years. Bhagavan assured him categorically that he would not suffer if he gave up non-vegetarian food. There was a still more extraordinary case in the early years of the ashram. Some of the sadhaks used to take bhang [cannabis] and they would offer it to Bhagavan first to justify themselves. Bhagavan would accept it when offered. It had no effect on him, since he had no mind to be disturbed. (From pages 92-93.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > On a new-moon day a group of very orthodox brahmins > came to the ashram from town. They wanted to pay their > respects to Bhagavan first and then have a bath and > return to the town for tarpanam, a new-moon ceremony in > which one worships one's ancestors. As the ashram was > situated between several burial grounds, the place was > considered polluting. After leaving it a bath was > mandatory. Also, because of restrictions due to the new > moon, the tarpanam ceremony and the proximity of burial > grounds, they would not be able to eat food in the > ashram. Bhagavan greeted them all and invited them to > have breakfast with him. How could they refuse? They > went to the dining hall, sat down and were served > uppuma, a wheat dish cooked with spices and fried > vegetables, and coffee. After the breakfast Bhagavan > was explaining the nutritional and dietetic virtues of > onion. Somebody remarked that onions carry their odour > with them into every food. > > 'Not at all,' said Bhagavan. 'If you fry them in castor > oil they lose their odour completely. Could you smell > the onions in the uppuma? Have I not succeeded in > making them odourless?' > > The poor brahmins, who never touched onions and garlic, > were shocked. What saved them from serious trouble with > their caste was the fact that what they did or ate was > at Bhagavan's bidding! > > An even more extreme example springs to mind. A > devotee once brought some expensive halva for Bhagavan. > The sweets were arranged on a large tray and put before > Bhagavan on the ground. A dog came in and touched the > sweets with hisnose. One of the inmates got furious > and tried to drive the dog away. > > Bhagavan got up and shouted at the devotee, 'Get out! > What right have you to drive this dog away? On what > grounds do you stop a dog from eating? Does this halva > belong to you?' > > He cut the halva into pieces, ate some himself and > distributed the rest with his own hands. All the people > present had to eat it as his prasad whether they wanted > to or not. > > Bhagavan was not always so insistent. My younger > brother once came to the ashram. He was not in the > habit of drinking tea or coffee and generally refused > when he was offered some. When the afternoon cup of > coffee was distributed, he asked to be excused. He was > told that he must drink it, for all food given in the > ashram, he was informed, was Bhagavan's prasad and > cannot be refused. > > My brother went straight to Bhagavan and said, 'They > say that coffee is your prasad. I am not accustomed to > coffee and I do not like it.' > > Bhagavan answered, 'I never ask for coffee. Whether I > like it or not, people make me drink coffee, say that > coffee is my prasad, and then drink coffee to their > heart's content. They also induce others to drink it, > saying that if they refuse, they refuse my prasad.' > (From pages 74-75.) > > Some of his positions on orthodoxy seemed at first > sight to be a little perplexing. Onions and garlic > were used in the ashram kitchen when it was known that > many orthodox brahmins would not eat food that had been > prepared with them. Major Chadwick once asked Bhagavan > if eating onions was an impediment to spiritual > progress, and Bhagavan agreed that it was. Chadwick, > though he was not a Hindu and was not therefore subject > to sastraic injunctions, immediately gave them up, but > many of the ashram's brahmins continued to eat them in > the dining room. > > How could such a situation come about? I think the > answer lies in the freedom Bhagavan gave to his > devotees to choose their own path. It is true that he > allowed a good deal of liberty to his followers in the > matter of the food they ate, but that does not > necessarily mean that he approved of what they were > doing. Bhagavan's way was to influence rather than > command. The true command, according to Bhagavan, > should come from within, leading to voluntary and not > enforced right action. Bhagavan never ordered Devaraja > Mudaliar, for example, to become a vegetarian, but when > the latter was wondering whether he should take this > step, he asked Bhagavan's advice. He was not sure > whether a vegetarian diet would contain adequate > nourishment for him. This was after he had been a > devotee for many years. Bhagavan assured him > categorically that he would not suffer if he gave up > non-vegetarian food. > > There was a still more extraordinary case in the early > years of the ashram. Some of the sadhaks used to take > bhang [cannabis] and they would offer it to Bhagavan > first to justify themselves. Bhagavan would accept it > when offered. It had no effect on him, since he had no > mind to be disturbed. (From pages 92-93.) > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru-seeker complex. This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every satsang. The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by giving up their common sense. Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the truth......Who in the hell cares what he thought about onions? Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was enlightened. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > On a new-moon day a group of very orthodox brahmins > > came to the ashram from town. They wanted to pay their > > respects to Bhagavan first and then have a bath and > > return to the town for tarpanam, a new-moon ceremony in > > which one worships one's ancestors. As the ashram was > > situated between several burial grounds, the place was > > considered polluting. After leaving it a bath was > > mandatory. Also, because of restrictions due to the new > > moon, the tarpanam ceremony and the proximity of burial > > grounds, they would not be able to eat food in the > > ashram. Bhagavan greeted them all and invited them to > > have breakfast with him. How could they refuse? They > > went to the dining hall, sat down and were served > > uppuma, a wheat dish cooked with spices and fried > > vegetables, and coffee. After the breakfast Bhagavan > > was explaining the nutritional and dietetic virtues of > > onion. Somebody remarked that onions carry their odour > > with them into every food. > > > > 'Not at all,' said Bhagavan. 'If you fry them in castor > > oil they lose their odour completely. Could you smell > > the onions in the uppuma? Have I not succeeded in > > making them odourless?' > > > > The poor brahmins, who never touched onions and garlic, > > were shocked. What saved them from serious trouble with > > their caste was the fact that what they did or ate was > > at Bhagavan's bidding! > > > > An even more extreme example springs to mind. A > > devotee once brought some expensive halva for Bhagavan. > > The sweets were arranged on a large tray and put before > > Bhagavan on the ground. A dog came in and touched the > > sweets with hisnose. One of the inmates got furious > > and tried to drive the dog away. > > > > Bhagavan got up and shouted at the devotee, 'Get out! > > What right have you to drive this dog away? On what > > grounds do you stop a dog from eating? Does this halva > > belong to you?' > > > > He cut the halva into pieces, ate some himself and > > distributed the rest with his own hands. All the people > > present had to eat it as his prasad whether they wanted > > to or not. > > > > Bhagavan was not always so insistent. My younger > > brother once came to the ashram. He was not in the > > habit of drinking tea or coffee and generally refused > > when he was offered some. When the afternoon cup of > > coffee was distributed, he asked to be excused. He was > > told that he must drink it, for all food given in the > > ashram, he was informed, was Bhagavan's prasad and > > cannot be refused. > > > > My brother went straight to Bhagavan and said, 'They > > say that coffee is your prasad. I am not accustomed to > > coffee and I do not like it.' > > > > Bhagavan answered, 'I never ask for coffee. Whether I > > like it or not, people make me drink coffee, say that > > coffee is my prasad, and then drink coffee to their > > heart's content. They also induce others to drink it, > > saying that if they refuse, they refuse my prasad.' > > (From pages 74-75.) > > > > Some of his positions on orthodoxy seemed at first > > sight to be a little perplexing. Onions and garlic > > were used in the ashram kitchen when it was known that > > many orthodox brahmins would not eat food that had been > > prepared with them. Major Chadwick once asked Bhagavan > > if eating onions was an impediment to spiritual > > progress, and Bhagavan agreed that it was. Chadwick, > > though he was not a Hindu and was not therefore subject > > to sastraic injunctions, immediately gave them up, but > > many of the ashram's brahmins continued to eat them in > > the dining room. > > > > How could such a situation come about? I think the > > answer lies in the freedom Bhagavan gave to his > > devotees to choose their own path. It is true that he > > allowed a good deal of liberty to his followers in the > > matter of the food they ate, but that does not > > necessarily mean that he approved of what they were > > doing. Bhagavan's way was to influence rather than > > command. The true command, according to Bhagavan, > > should come from within, leading to voluntary and not > > enforced right action. Bhagavan never ordered Devaraja > > Mudaliar, for example, to become a vegetarian, but when > > the latter was wondering whether he should take this > > step, he asked Bhagavan's advice. He was not sure > > whether a vegetarian diet would contain adequate > > nourishment for him. This was after he had been a > > devotee for many years. Bhagavan assured him > > categorically that he would not suffer if he gave up > > non-vegetarian food. > > > > There was a still more extraordinary case in the early > > years of the ashram. Some of the sadhaks used to take > > bhang [cannabis] and they would offer it to Bhagavan > > first to justify themselves. Bhagavan would accept it > > when offered. It had no effect on him, since he had no > > mind to be disturbed. (From pages 92-93.) > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- seeker > complex. > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > satsang. > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > giving up their common sense. > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the truth......Who > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > enlightened. > > > toombaru in the eyes of enlightenment..... there is nothing but enlightenment... Marc Ps: cows not excluded > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > On a new-moon day a group of very orthodox brahmins > > came to the ashram from town. They wanted to pay their > > respects to Bhagavan first and then have a bath and > > return to the town for tarpanam, a new-moon ceremony in > > which one worships one's ancestors. As the ashram was > > situated between several burial grounds, the place was > > considered polluting. After leaving it a bath was > > mandatory. Also, because of restrictions due to the new > > moon, the tarpanam ceremony and the proximity of burial > > grounds, they would not be able to eat food in the > > ashram. Bhagavan greeted them all and invited them to > > have breakfast with him. How could they refuse? They > > went to the dining hall, sat down and were served > > uppuma, a wheat dish cooked with spices and fried > > vegetables, and coffee. After the breakfast Bhagavan > > was explaining the nutritional and dietetic virtues of > > onion. Somebody remarked that onions carry their odour > > with them into every food. > > > > 'Not at all,' said Bhagavan. 'If you fry them in castor > > oil they lose their odour completely. Could you smell > > the onions in the uppuma? Have I not succeeded in > > making them odourless?' > > > > The poor brahmins, who never touched onions and garlic, > > were shocked. What saved them from serious trouble with > > their caste was the fact that what they did or ate was > > at Bhagavan's bidding! > > > > An even more extreme example springs to mind. A > > devotee once brought some expensive halva for Bhagavan. > > The sweets were arranged on a large tray and put before > > Bhagavan on the ground. A dog came in and touched the > > sweets with hisnose. One of the inmates got furious > > and tried to drive the dog away. > > > > Bhagavan got up and shouted at the devotee, 'Get out! > > What right have you to drive this dog away? On what > > grounds do you stop a dog from eating? Does this halva > > belong to you?' > > > > He cut the halva into pieces, ate some himself and > > distributed the rest with his own hands. All the people > > present had to eat it as his prasad whether they wanted > > to or not. > > > > Bhagavan was not always so insistent. My younger > > brother once came to the ashram. He was not in the > > habit of drinking tea or coffee and generally refused > > when he was offered some. When the afternoon cup of > > coffee was distributed, he asked to be excused. He was > > told that he must drink it, for all food given in the > > ashram, he was informed, was Bhagavan's prasad and > > cannot be refused. > > > > My brother went straight to Bhagavan and said, 'They > > say that coffee is your prasad. I am not accustomed to > > coffee and I do not like it.' > > > > Bhagavan answered, 'I never ask for coffee. Whether I > > like it or not, people make me drink coffee, say that > > coffee is my prasad, and then drink coffee to their > > heart's content. They also induce others to drink it, > > saying that if they refuse, they refuse my prasad.' > > (From pages 74-75.) > > > > Some of his positions on orthodoxy seemed at first > > sight to be a little perplexing. Onions and garlic > > were used in the ashram kitchen when it was known that > > many orthodox brahmins would not eat food that had been > > prepared with them. Major Chadwick once asked Bhagavan > > if eating onions was an impediment to spiritual > > progress, and Bhagavan agreed that it was. Chadwick, > > though he was not a Hindu and was not therefore subject > > to sastraic injunctions, immediately gave them up, but > > many of the ashram's brahmins continued to eat them in > > the dining room. > > > > How could such a situation come about? I think the > > answer lies in the freedom Bhagavan gave to his > > devotees to choose their own path. It is true that he > > allowed a good deal of liberty to his followers in the > > matter of the food they ate, but that does not > > necessarily mean that he approved of what they were > > doing. Bhagavan's way was to influence rather than > > command. The true command, according to Bhagavan, > > should come from within, leading to voluntary and not > > enforced right action. Bhagavan never ordered Devaraja > > Mudaliar, for example, to become a vegetarian, but when > > the latter was wondering whether he should take this > > step, he asked Bhagavan's advice. He was not sure > > whether a vegetarian diet would contain adequate > > nourishment for him. This was after he had been a > > devotee for many years. Bhagavan assured him > > categorically that he would not suffer if he gave up > > non-vegetarian food. > > > > There was a still more extraordinary case in the early > > years of the ashram. Some of the sadhaks used to take > > bhang [cannabis] and they would offer it to Bhagavan > > first to justify themselves. Bhagavan would accept it > > when offered. It had no effect on him, since he had no > > mind to be disturbed. (From pages 92-93.) > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- seeker > complex. > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > satsang. > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > giving up their common sense. > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the truth......Who > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > enlightened. > > > toombaru > but but but toomey, it's all relative, as it has been said, either everything is truth and enlightening, or nothing is. hmmm and that goes for your little dog too, ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 <dennis_travis33 wrote: " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > seeker > > complex. > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > satsang. > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > giving up their common sense. > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > truth......Who > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > enlightened. > > > > > > toombaru > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > Marc > > Ps: cows not excluded Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! Hail to Lakshmi And to all conscious creatures Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior advaita-shuffle-bs We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember this you phony onliner toombaru ! Era .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > seeker > > > complex. > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > satsang. > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli- goolies...hanging on > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > truth......Who > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > Hail to Lakshmi > And to all conscious creatures > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior advaita- shuffle-bs > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > Era there is nobody else but....oneness Marc > > > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > seeker > > > complex. > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > satsang. > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > truth......Who > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > Hail to Lakshmi > And to all conscious creatures > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior advaita-shuffle-bs > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > Era > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for you! And me, and all others makes three. (-; ....! ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > > seeker > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > truth......Who > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > Era > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > (-; ....! > > ~*~ > I forgot.........what does 'enlightenment' mean exactly? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > > > seeker > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet > washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > truth......Who > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > (-; ....! > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > I forgot.........what does 'enlightenment' mean exactly? > > > > toombaru > I'll tell you in my next pontification (poem). ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > Era > > > " We are one " is like saying two is three. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 " skywhilds " <skywords " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > > seeker > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > truth......Who > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > Marc, you just caught toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > Era > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > (-; ....! > > ~*~ > No, I wasn't kidding. -and I wasn't talking about enlightenment either ..but about the notion of the nondual *Consciousness [aka Awareness] of Nisargadatta Maharaj as he used the terms vs the superior remarks of toombaru about Ramana's cow etc..imo Ramanas' love and recognition of Lakshmi; his favorite cow and other animals reflected the same. WHAT ENLIGHTENMENT ! ? We are all part of Nizs' Consiousness..all of us alive make up the " Self " of Ramana and the small 'selfs' are equal; no distinction between enlightened and not enlightened Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > > seeker > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli- goolies...hanging on > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > truth......Who > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > Era > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > (-; ....! > > ~*~ reading this your words.... i can understand why Ramana prefered maybe.... to spend some time with his cow..... in silence Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > > > seeker > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet > washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > truth......Who > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > (-; ....! > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > I forgot.........what does 'enlightenment' mean exactly? > > > > toombaru (do you remember sometimes......the non sense written in here?) Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > > " skywhilds " <skywords@> " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > > > seeker > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > truth......Who > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > Marc, you just caught toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > (-; ....! > > > > ~*~ > > > > > No, I wasn't kidding. > > -and I wasn't talking about enlightenment either ..but about the notion of the nondual *Consciousness [aka Awareness] of Nisargadatta Maharaj as he used the terms vs the superior remarks of toombaru about Ramana's cow etc..imo Ramanas' love and recognition of Lakshmi; his favorite cow and other animals reflected the same. > > WHAT ENLIGHTENMENT ! ? > > We are all part of Nizs' Consiousness..all of us alive make up the " Self " of Ramana and the small 'selfs' are equal; no distinction between enlightened and not enlightened > > Era > Are you asserting that it's superior or preferable to see all as equal or beyond preference? Do I detect outrage? And isn't outrage a form of the assertion of superiority? Or is there a subtlety that has yet to be articulated directly? I find myself caught in traps like these. And when I do, I find that I feel better when I soften and laugh, going deeper and warmer in love. But I also find a resistence to this. The outrage likes itself. Do you know what I mean? ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > On a new-moon day a group of very orthodox brahmins > > came to the ashram from town. They wanted to pay their > > respects to Bhagavan first and then have a bath and > > return to the town for tarpanam, a new-moon ceremony in > > which one worships one's ancestors. As the ashram was > > situated between several burial grounds, the place was > > considered polluting. After leaving it a bath was > > mandatory. Also, because of restrictions due to the new > > moon, the tarpanam ceremony and the proximity of burial > > grounds, they would not be able to eat food in the > > ashram. Bhagavan greeted them all and invited them to > > have breakfast with him. How could they refuse? They > > went to the dining hall, sat down and were served > > uppuma, a wheat dish cooked with spices and fried > > vegetables, and coffee. After the breakfast Bhagavan > > was explaining the nutritional and dietetic virtues of > > onion. Somebody remarked that onions carry their odour > > with them into every food. > > > > 'Not at all,' said Bhagavan. 'If you fry them in castor > > oil they lose their odour completely. Could you smell > > the onions in the uppuma? Have I not succeeded in > > making them odourless?' > > > > The poor brahmins, who never touched onions and garlic, > > were shocked. What saved them from serious trouble with > > their caste was the fact that what they did or ate was > > at Bhagavan's bidding! > > > > An even more extreme example springs to mind. A > > devotee once brought some expensive halva for Bhagavan. > > The sweets were arranged on a large tray and put before > > Bhagavan on the ground. A dog came in and touched the > > sweets with hisnose. One of the inmates got furious > > and tried to drive the dog away. > > > > Bhagavan got up and shouted at the devotee, 'Get out! > > What right have you to drive this dog away? On what > > grounds do you stop a dog from eating? Does this halva > > belong to you?' > > > > He cut the halva into pieces, ate some himself and > > distributed the rest with his own hands. All the people > > present had to eat it as his prasad whether they wanted > > to or not. > > > > Bhagavan was not always so insistent. My younger > > brother once came to the ashram. He was not in the > > habit of drinking tea or coffee and generally refused > > when he was offered some. When the afternoon cup of > > coffee was distributed, he asked to be excused. He was > > told that he must drink it, for all food given in the > > ashram, he was informed, was Bhagavan's prasad and > > cannot be refused. > > > > My brother went straight to Bhagavan and said, 'They > > say that coffee is your prasad. I am not accustomed to > > coffee and I do not like it.' > > > > Bhagavan answered, 'I never ask for coffee. Whether I > > like it or not, people make me drink coffee, say that > > coffee is my prasad, and then drink coffee to their > > heart's content. They also induce others to drink it, > > saying that if they refuse, they refuse my prasad.' > > (From pages 74-75.) > > > > Some of his positions on orthodoxy seemed at first > > sight to be a little perplexing. Onions and garlic > > were used in the ashram kitchen when it was known that > > many orthodox brahmins would not eat food that had been > > prepared with them. Major Chadwick once asked Bhagavan > > if eating onions was an impediment to spiritual > > progress, and Bhagavan agreed that it was. Chadwick, > > though he was not a Hindu and was not therefore subject > > to sastraic injunctions, immediately gave them up, but > > many of the ashram's brahmins continued to eat them in > > the dining room. > > > > How could such a situation come about? I think the > > answer lies in the freedom Bhagavan gave to his > > devotees to choose their own path. It is true that he > > allowed a good deal of liberty to his followers in the > > matter of the food they ate, but that does not > > necessarily mean that he approved of what they were > > doing. Bhagavan's way was to influence rather than > > command. The true command, according to Bhagavan, > > should come from within, leading to voluntary and not > > enforced right action. Bhagavan never ordered Devaraja > > Mudaliar, for example, to become a vegetarian, but when > > the latter was wondering whether he should take this > > step, he asked Bhagavan's advice. He was not sure > > whether a vegetarian diet would contain adequate > > nourishment for him. This was after he had been a > > devotee for many years. Bhagavan assured him > > categorically that he would not suffer if he gave up > > non-vegetarian food. > > > > There was a still more extraordinary case in the early > > years of the ashram. Some of the sadhaks used to take > > bhang [cannabis] and they would offer it to Bhagavan > > first to justify themselves. Bhagavan would accept it > > when offered. It had no effect on him, since he had no > > mind to be disturbed. (From pages 92-93.) > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- seeker > complex. > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every > satsang. > > The doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit themselves by > giving up their common sense. > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the truth......Who > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > enlightened. > > > toombaru from what your saying here and showing knowledge of, I can only assume that you yorself attend these satsang things......I would have thought you had grown out of these farce-like jib-jabs a long time ago toom.....say it isn't so........tell me that your speaking from a distant memory or something.....don't give us the notion you are a doughy-eyed.....feet washing......pachouli-goolie...hanging on every word.....thinking that you will somehow benefit yourself by giving up your common sense. I mean, when you state that: " There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru-seeker complex. This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at every satsang " , you seem to indicate a first person personal testomonial about what goes on there...........just questioning along with Ringo Starr.....What goes on in your heart? What goes on in your mind? You are tearing me apart When you treat me so unkind. What goes on in your mind? .............bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > " skywhilds " <skywords@> " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the guru- > > > > > seeker > > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen at > every > > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet > washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit > themselves by > > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > > truth......Who > > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow was > > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > > > Marc, you just caught toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! Of > > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no matter > > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same goes for > > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > > > (-; ....! > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > No, I wasn't kidding. > > > > -and I wasn't talking about enlightenment either ..but about the > notion of the nondual *Consciousness [aka Awareness] of Nisargadatta > Maharaj as he used the terms vs the superior remarks of toombaru about > Ramana's cow etc..imo Ramanas' love and recognition of Lakshmi; his > favorite cow and other animals reflected the same. > > > > WHAT ENLIGHTENMENT ! ? > > > > We are all part of Nizs' Consiousness..all of us alive make up the > " Self " of Ramana and the small 'selfs' are equal; no distinction > between enlightened and not enlightened > > > > Era > > > > Are you asserting that it's superior or preferable to see all as equal > or beyond preference? > > Do I detect outrage? > > And isn't outrage a form of the assertion of superiority? > > Or is there a subtlety that has yet to be articulated directly? > > I find myself caught in traps like these. And when I do, I find that > I feel better when I soften and laugh, going deeper and warmer in love. > > But I also find a resistence to this. The outrage likes itself. > > Do you know what I mean? > > ~*~ Hey sky......I experience my thing more as an INrage when it happens.......and we should love all things even rage... in or out or just plain by itself, as itself and through itself.......that thing called rage is also non other than ourselves..........well maybe ourselves with a little too much strong java going down too. ;-) ..........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the > guru- > > > > > seeker > > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen > at every > > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet > > washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit > themselves by > > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > > truth......Who > > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow > was > > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! > Of > > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no > matter > > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same > goes for > > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > > > (-; ....! > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot.........what does 'enlightenment' mean exactly? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > (do you remember sometimes......the non sense written in here?) > > > > Marc > > > It's a simple question Mark. What is enlightenmeent? You speak as if you know wnat it is. Why exactky is enlightnement? If you do not know.........perhaps you should be silent. (If you want to know...I will tell you) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > > > E: Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > Hail to Lakshmi > And to all conscious creatures <...> > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > Era > > > > > " We are one " is like saying two is three. > > > toombaru > > > No its' not. It is saying that 5 and a half billion adds up to one -These oneliner tong to cheek comments of yours are the ones piss me off tooomy Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > E: Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > And to all conscious creatures > <...> > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > " We are one " is like saying two is three. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > No its' not. It is saying that 5 and a half billion adds up to one > > -These oneliner tong to cheek comments of yours are the ones piss me off tooomy > > > Era > That........my love.......brings me great joy. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within the > > guru- > > > > > > seeker > > > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be seen > > at every > > > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet > > > washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit > > themselves by > > > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > > > truth......Who > > > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his cow > > was > > > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is ALIVE ! > > > > > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. remember > > > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a kidder! > > Of > > > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, no > > matter > > > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same > > goes for > > > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > > > > > (-; ....! > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot.........what does 'enlightenment' mean exactly? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > (do you remember sometimes......the non sense written in here?) > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > It's a simple question Mark. > > What is enlightenmeent? > > You speak as if you know wnat it is. > > Why exactky is enlightnement? > > If you do not know.........perhaps you should be silent. > > (If you want to know...I will tell you) > > > toombaru i don't care about to know what exactly is realy " enlightenment " .... you ask " why exactly is enlightenment? " ...... you could also ask.... " why exactly is ignorance? " ..... a whole " word-game " would follow.....endless number of words.... enlightenment is one ....of many words.....to give the real nature of Self.....a name....... there is no " reason why " is enlightenment..... like there is no " reason why " is ignorance.... ignorance give a " reason why " ....to ignorance..... like enlightenment give a " reason why " ....to enlightenment.... both exist........and give reason to each..... an endless (mind) game.... of darkness and light but " who " realy care ?..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within > the > > > guru- > > > > > > > seeker > > > > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be > seen > > > at every > > > > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet > > > > washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit > > > themselves by > > > > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > > > > truth......Who > > > > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that his > cow > > > was > > > > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is > ALIVE ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > > > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. > remember > > > > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a > kidder! > > > Of > > > > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is Toombaru, > no > > > matter > > > > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the same > > > goes for > > > > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > > > > > > > (-; ....! > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot.........what does 'enlightenment' mean exactly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > (do you remember sometimes......the non sense written in here?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a simple question Mark. > > > > What is enlightenmeent? > > > > You speak as if you know wnat it is. > > > > Why exactky is enlightnement? > > > > If you do not know.........perhaps you should be silent. > > > > (If you want to know...I will tell you) > > > > > > toombaru > > > i don't care about to know what exactly is realy " enlightenment " .... > > > you ask " why exactly is enlightenment? " ...... > > you could also ask.... " why exactly is ignorance? " ..... > > a whole " word-game " would follow.....endless number of words.... > > enlightenment is one ....of many words.....to give the real nature of > Self.....a name....... > > there is no " reason why " is enlightenment..... > like there is no " reason why " is ignorance.... > > ignorance give a " reason why " ....to ignorance..... > like enlightenment give a " reason why " ....to enlightenment.... > > both exist........and give reason to each..... > > an endless (mind) game.... > > of darkness and light > > but " who " realy care ?..... > > Marc Ps: i don't think that you know.... " why is enlightenment " .... or at least.....i can't see it realy in your word-games.... so maybe you could play around with nice words ....with " others " ...... " who " are enjoying ...and love..... mind-word-games...... like you do > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 > > i don't care about to know what exactly is realy " enlightenment " .... > > > you ask " why exactly is enlightenment? " ...... > > you could also ask.... " why exactly is ignorance? " ..... > > a whole " word-game " would follow.....endless number of words.... > > enlightenment is one ....of many words.....to give the real nature of > Self.....a name....... > > there is no " reason why " is enlightenment..... > like there is no " reason why " is ignorance.... > > ignorance give a " reason why " ....to ignorance..... > like enlightenment give a " reason why " ....to enlightenment.... > > both exist........and give reason to each..... > > an endless (mind) game.... > > of darkness and light > > but " who " realy care ?..... > > Marc > > > > > > > If one searches for something that exists only as an idea......only failure can result. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " > <n0ndual@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From " Power of the Presence Part 3 " by David Godman. > > > > > > > > The narrator of this section is Krishna Bhikshu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a child-like devotion that is endemic within > > the > > > > guru- > > > > > > > > seeker > > > > > > > > > complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This indiscriminate, sycophantic somnambulism can be > > seen > > > > at every > > > > > > > > > satsang. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The doughy-eyed.....feet > > > > > washing......pachouli-goolies...hanging on > > > > > > > > > every word.....think that they will somehow benefit > > > > themselves by > > > > > > > > > giving up their common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every word that flowed from Ramana's mouth was not the > > > > > > > > truth......Who > > > > > > > > > in the hell cares what he thought about onions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember.......this is the same man that said that > his > > cow > > > > was > > > > > > > > > enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of enlightenment..... > > > > > > > > there is nothing but enlightenment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: cows not excluded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ramana was the sage who recognized, that His cow is > > ALIVE ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hail to Lakshmi > > > > > > > And to all conscious creatures > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, you just cought toombaru at his ex-cathedra-superior > > > > > > advaita-shuffle-bs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are all ONE.. sharing in *Consciousness* awareness.. > > remember > > > > > > this you phony onliner toombaru ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era, you must be kidding! You are, aren't you. What a > > kidder! > > > > Of > > > > > > course you know that if all are enlightened, so is > Toombaru, > > no > > > > matter > > > > > > what he may or may not say. Right? And, of course, the > same > > > > goes for > > > > > > you! And me, and all others makes three. > > > > > > > > > > > > (-; ....! > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I forgot.........what does 'enlightenment' mean exactly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > (do you remember sometimes......the non sense written in here?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a simple question Mark. > > > > > > What is enlightenmeent? > > > > > > You speak as if you know wnat it is. > > > > > > Why exactky is enlightnement? > > > > > > If you do not know.........perhaps you should be silent. > > > > > > (If you want to know...I will tell you) > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > i don't care about to know what exactly is realy " enlightenment " .... > > > > > > you ask " why exactly is enlightenment? " ...... > > > > you could also ask.... " why exactly is ignorance? " ..... > > > > a whole " word-game " would follow.....endless number of words.... > > > > enlightenment is one ....of many words.....to give the real nature > of > > Self.....a name....... > > > > there is no " reason why " is enlightenment..... > > like there is no " reason why " is ignorance.... > > > > ignorance give a " reason why " ....to ignorance..... > > like enlightenment give a " reason why " ....to enlightenment.... > > > > both exist........and give reason to each..... > > > > an endless (mind) game.... > > > > of darkness and light > > > > but " who " realy care ?..... > > > > Marc > > > Ps: i don't think that you know.... " why is enlightenment " .... > or at least.....i can't see it realy in your word-games.... > > so maybe you could play around with nice > words ....with " others " ...... " who " are enjoying ...and love..... > mind-word-games...... > like you do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually 'why' is a misprint. It was supposed to be 'what'. My eyesight is terrible. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > i don't care about to know what exactly is realy " enlightenment " .... > > > > > > you ask " why exactly is enlightenment? " ...... > > > > you could also ask.... " why exactly is ignorance? " ..... > > > > a whole " word-game " would follow.....endless number of words.... > > > > enlightenment is one ....of many words.....to give the real nature of > > Self.....a name....... > > > > there is no " reason why " is enlightenment..... > > like there is no " reason why " is ignorance.... > > > > ignorance give a " reason why " ....to ignorance..... > > like enlightenment give a " reason why " ....to enlightenment.... > > > > both exist........and give reason to each..... > > > > an endless (mind) game.... > > > > of darkness and light > > > > but " who " realy care ?..... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one searches for something that exists only as an idea......only > failure can result. > > toombaru if one search for nothing..... the result is also nothing... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > i don't care about to know what exactly is realy " enlightenment " .... > > > > > > you ask " why exactly is enlightenment? " ...... > > > > you could also ask.... " why exactly is ignorance? " ..... > > > > a whole " word-game " would follow.....endless number of words.... > > > > enlightenment is one ....of many words.....to give the real nature of > > Self.....a name....... > > > > there is no " reason why " is enlightenment..... > > like there is no " reason why " is ignorance.... > > > > ignorance give a " reason why " ....to ignorance..... > > like enlightenment give a " reason why " ....to enlightenment.... > > > > both exist........and give reason to each..... > > > > an endless (mind) game.... > > > > of darkness and light > > > > but " who " realy care ?..... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one searches for something that exists only as an idea......only > failure can result. > > toombaru > Only failure can result. Good morning my fine feathered flyer! ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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