Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 --- Pete S <pedsie5 a écrit : > > I cried when I read this. > > > > Bill > > > > P: No! I won't comment! > > I won't say a word, no, > > not one, I won't. > > > > At the time I was at a loss for words > and wrote " I cried " ... > > but really, it was as if a huge wave, > very clear, very powerful, hit my heart, > and when that happens something moves up > and fills my throat, so kinda choked > and maybe half a tear... but the real > thing was that wave. As if something > very REAL was hitting me... as if some > kind of recognition in what I was reading > in the poem. It was quite astonishing. > > Bill > > P: Since you insist, let me say a few words. > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > progress.) > Those tears came from a person who was still there > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > you > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > adrift, > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > Juan if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as sensitive. Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want Brother Bill to be the same way. sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they come. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _________________________ Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Pete S <pedsie5 a écrit : > > I cried when I read this. > > Bill P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > progress.) > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > you > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > adrift, > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > Juan > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > sensitive. > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > come. > > Yes. P. above 'sentiment' ¿ art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' stance --and I like Patricia's art and poems... http://patriciaoconnor.com/ Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > Pete S <pedsie5@> a écrit : > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > Bill > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > progress.) > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > you > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > adrift, > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > Juan > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > sensitive. > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > come. > > > > > > Yes. > > P. above 'sentiment' ¿ > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' stance > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > Era > LOL, thank you Era, who said after enlightenment would be boring, you get to know all about the real people behind all the words.... Much more fun, then the ongoing dharma battles, eh Era? signed, Ana always the last one to know anything ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > Pete S <pedsie5@> a écrit : > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > Bill > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > progress.) > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > you > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > adrift, > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > Juan > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > sensitive. > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > come. > > > > > > Yes. > > P. above 'sentiment' ¿ > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' stance > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > Era > If you think her paintings are beautiful..........you should see her walk across the street. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > Pete S <pedsie5@> a écrit : > > > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > > > Bill > > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > > progress.) > > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > > you > > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > > adrift, > > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > > sensitive. > > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > P. above 'sentiment' ¿ > > > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' > stance > > > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > > > Era > > > > > If you think her paintings are beautiful..........you should see her > walk across the street. > > > > > toombaru ahh toomey, that was beautiful too!! I feel like singing. " Everything Is Beautiful " Intro Jesus loves the little children All the children of the world Red and yellow, black and white They are precious in his sight Jesus loves the little children of the world Chorus Everything is beautiful in its own way Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter's day Everybody's beautiful in their own way Under God's heaven the world's gonna find a way There is none so blind as he who will not see We must not close our minds we must let our thoughts be free For every hour that passes by, you know the world gets a little bit older It's time to realize that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder Chorus Everything is beautiful in its own way Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter's day Ah, sing it children, everybody's beautiful in their own way Under God's heaven the world's gonna find a way We shouldn't care about the length of his hair or the color of his skin Don't worry about what shows from without but the love that lives within We gonna get it all together now and everything's gonna work out fine Just take a little time to look on the good side my friend And straighten it out in your mind Chorus Everything is beautiful in its own way Like a starry summer night or a snow covered winter's day Ah, sing it children, everybody's beautiful in their own way Under God's heaven the world's gonna find a way Repeat chorus fading out Written by: Ray Stevens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > wrote: > > > > Pete S <pedsie5@> a écrit : > > > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > > > Bill > > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > > progress.) > > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > > you > > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > > adrift, > > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > > sensitive. > > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > P. above 'sentiment' ¿ > > > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' > stance > > > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > > > Era > > > > > LOL, thank you Era, who said after enlightenment would be boring, you > get to know all about the real people behind all the words.... > > Much more fun, then the ongoing dharma battles, eh Era? > > > signed, > Ana > > always the last one to know anything ;-) Hey Anna -- There isn't any " after enlightenment " -- except as an idea to make people feel special about themselves. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Pete S <pedsie5@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > > > progress.) > > > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > > > you > > > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > > > adrift, > > > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > > > sensitive. > > > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > P. above 'sentiment' ¿ > > > > > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' > > stance > > > > > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > > > > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > LOL, thank you Era, who said after enlightenment would be boring, you > > get to know all about the real people behind all the words.... > > > > Much more fun, then the ongoing dharma battles, eh Era? > > > > > > signed, > > Ana > > > > always the last one to know anything ;-) > > Hey Anna -- > > There isn't any " after enlightenment " -- > > except as an idea to make people feel special about themselves. > > -- Dan > well danny boy, two things: yes, you are right and yes, you are wrong. so be it. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Pete S <pedsie5@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > > > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > > > > progress.) > > > > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > > > > you > > > > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > > > > adrift, > > > > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > > > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > > > > sensitive. > > > > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > > > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > > > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > > > > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > P. above 'sentiment' ¿ > > > > > > > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a > macho 'spirituel' > > > stance > > > > > > > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > > > > > > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL, thank you Era, who said after enlightenment would be > boring, you > > > get to know all about the real people behind all the words.... > > > > > > Much more fun, then the ongoing dharma battles, eh Era? > > > > > > > > > signed, > > > Ana > > > > > > always the last one to know anything ;-) > > > > Hey Anna -- > > > > There isn't any " after enlightenment " -- > > > > except as an idea to make people feel special about themselves. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > well danny boy, two things: yes, you are right and yes, you are > wrong. > > so be it. " well danny boy,........... -Its like peeling off the same layer over and over again. > > ;-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > > > > > LOL, thank you Era, who said after enlightenment would be > boring, you > > > get to know all about the real people behind all the words.... > > > > > > Much more fun, then the ongoing dharma battles, eh Era? > > > > > > > > > signed, > > > Ana > > > > > > always the last one to know anything ;-) > > > > Hey Anna -- > > > > There isn't any " after enlightenment " -- > > > > except as an idea to make people feel special about themselves. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > well danny boy, two things: yes, you are right and yes, you are > wrong. > > so be it. > > ;-) Right and wrong isn't what this is about Ana. Nor is there any specialness available. Clearly, dropping self-constructed illusions and deceptions isn't going to be attractive. There's nothing in it for " me. " No wonderful feelings, no spiritual experiences, no great insights. Just releasing, in and of itself. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > " well danny boy,........... > > -Its like peeling off the same layer over and over again. > > > > ;-) So, what did you find when you peeled it, Johan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 <snip> > Nor is there any specialness available. the only specialness available is the imaginary kind, the kind that has a " to whom " ... when the " to whom " is done and gone any " specialness " goes as well. > > Clearly, dropping self-constructed illusions and deceptions isn't > going to be attractive. I'm sure you don't mean anyone *choses* to drop such... any such " dropping " *just happens*. > There's nothing in it for " me. " > > No wonderful feelings, no spiritual experiences, no great insights. there is nothing for anyone to *have*... Bill > Just releasing, in and of itself. > > -- Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > " well danny boy,........... > > > > -Its like peeling off the same layer over and over again. > > > > > > ;-) > > So, what did you find when you peeled it, Johan? > You don't want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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