Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 --- Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote: > Pete S <pedsie5 a �crit�: > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > Bill As I said, the above is a misleading description. It was that a wave hit me and moved up into my throat. I was immobile. I couldn't think. I didn't even know what the poem had said. You could say I was " choked up " . I described that by saying " I cried " ... but the image that comes to people's minds from the expression " I cried " is a lot different. It is funny to me to see all the comment the above has engendered. I think some males on this list have some macho hangups. > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing There was nothing sentimental whatsoever about what was going on with me. As I said I didn't even remember what the poem had said when whatever it was hit me. My best guess is that the power and the depth of the insight expressed in the poem resonated with something I had already experienced. To have something that profound echoed from outside is, it seemed in my case anyway, a very powerful thing. If something hits you that is profound enough -- that is goes deeply enough -- (and keep in mind there is no limit) then you will be affected. And it will affect you in ways that manifest in your physical organism. It is just a matter of degree. But this kind of thing will not happen to you if you are very shut down. You have to be very open to be knocked on your ass. And to be knocked on your ass in such a way is a blessing. Those who ridicule such are nothing less than fools. Bill > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > progress.) > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > you > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > adrift, > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > Juan > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > sensitive. > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > come. > > > > > > Yes. > > P. above 'sentiment' � > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' stance > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > Era > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, > sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > There was nothing sentimental whatsoever about what was > going on with me. As I said I didn't even remember > what the poem had said when whatever it was hit me. > My best guess is that the power and the depth of the > insight expressed in the poem resonated with something > I had already experienced. To have something that > profound echoed from outside is, it seemed in my case > anyway, a very powerful thing. > > If something hits you that is profound enough -- that > is goes deeply enough -- (and keep in mind there is > no limit) then you will be affected. And it will affect > you in ways that manifest in your physical organism. > It is just a matter of degree. But this kind of thing > will not happen to you if you are very shut down. You > have to be very open to be knocked on your ass. And to > be knocked on your ass in such a way is a blessing. Those > who ridicule such are nothing less than fools. > > Bill -Agree with all the above. > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, > > sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > > group and click on Save Changes. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > > There was nothing sentimental whatsoever about what was > > going on with me. As I said I didn't even remember > > what the poem had said when whatever it was hit me. > > My best guess is that the power and the depth of the > > insight expressed in the poem resonated with something > > I had already experienced. To have something that > > profound echoed from outside is, it seemed in my case > > anyway, a very powerful thing. > > > > If something hits you that is profound enough -- that > > is goes deeply enough -- (and keep in mind there is > > no limit) then you will be affected. And it will affect > > you in ways that manifest in your physical organism. > > It is just a matter of degree. But this kind of thing > > will not happen to you if you are very shut down. You > > have to be very open to be knocked on your ass. And to > > be knocked on your ass in such a way is a blessing. Those > > who ridicule such are nothing less than fools. > > > > Bill > > > -Agree with all the above. Indeed Jason, we can all disagree as to what is held in someone's mind, however, when the heart speaks.... even the songbird stops singing... Love u all so very much. Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, > > > sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta > > > group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote: > > > Pete S <pedsie5@> a �crit�: > > > > > > I cried when I read this. > > > > > > Bill > > As I said, the above is a misleading description. > It was that a wave hit me and moved up into my throat. > I was immobile. I couldn't think. I didn't even know > what the poem had said. You could say I was " choked up " . > I described that by saying " I cried " ... but the image > that comes to people's minds from the expression > " I cried " is a lot different. > > It is funny to me to see all the comment the above > has engendered. I think some males on this list have > some macho hangups. > > > P: First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > tears came from sentimentality ( The valuing > There was nothing sentimental whatsoever about what was > going on with me. As I said I didn't even remember > what the poem had said when whatever it was hit me. > My best guess is that the power and the depth of the > insight expressed in the poem resonated with something > I had already experienced. To have something that > profound echoed from outside is, it seemed in my case > anyway, a very powerful thing. > > If something hits you that is profound enough -- that > is goes deeply enough -- (and keep in mind there is > no limit) then you will be affected. And it will affect > you in ways that manifest in your physical organism. > It is just a matter of degree. But this kind of thing > will not happen to you if you are very shut down. You > have to be very open to be knocked on your ass. And to > be knocked on your ass in such a way is a blessing. Those > who ridicule such are nothing less than fools. > > Bill > > > > > of insights and fine emotions as a sign of > > > > progress.) > > > > Those tears came from a person who was still there > > > > valuing, and being grateful for what he thought > > > > were undeserved gifts from a higher X, or nature. > > > > > > > > Now, I'm not implying you are a beginner, but that > > > > you > > > > are more like a Saint Theresa of Avila, always send > > > > adrift, > > > > and tossed about by holy waves, and fine emotions. > > > > > > > > Tu hermano en Cristo, > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > if Bill was a little more macho, like Brother Juan, > > > maybe his artwork wouldn`t be as beautiful, as > > > sensitive. > > > Maybe Bill isn`t at all like Brother Juan. > > > And although i like Brother Juan, I wouldn`t want > > > Brother Bill to be the same way. > > > > > > sister Patricia that loves brothers the way they > > > come. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > P. above 'sentiment' � > > > > art is to steer emotions, it is not a being in a macho 'spirituel' stance > > > > --and I like Patricia's art and poems... > > > > http://patriciaoconnor.com/ > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, > > sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > > group and click on Save Changes. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > tears came from sentimentality That has not been the experience here. Tears come frequently........quite often while in conversation......tears will well up. They seem to be stimulated by a rememberence of a pristine comfort-zone......a primal....garden.....my first home. Tears blur the edges.......the eyes looking back...become my own....and I am swept away...over the orb. Tears begin to flow ....as these words appear......and I remember once again who I am. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > I liked " I cried " much better. > > > > toombaru Yeah - left as is, as a simple statement, speaking for itself, just what it is. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > > tears came from sentimentality That has not been the experience here. > > Tears come frequently........quite often while in > conversation......tears will well up. > > They seem to be stimulated by a rememberence of a pristine > comfort-zone......a primal....garden.....my first home. > > Tears blur the edges.......the eyes looking back...become my > own....and I am swept away...over the orb. > > > Tears begin to flow ....as these words appear......and I remember once > again who I am. That is beautiful... I am especially struck by the " I remember once again who I am " and the " swept away over the orb " . Sometimes I will " choke up " when I see something especially beautiful. And those for whom that does not happen I feel something precious in life is still missing. The American culture has roots of judgementalism about a man crying, though perhaps that is changing. I don't know about other countries. In my view a man that can cry is more mature, and stronger, than a man that cannot. If a man simply *never* cries then he has been wounded in a very deep way, in my view. It is a kind of barrenness. Bill > > > > toombaru > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, > sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > I liked " I cried " much better. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Yeah - left as is, as a simple statement, speaking for itself, just > what it is. > > -- Dan If the reader knows what you mean the simpler statement has a directness that is preferable, yes. But some here seem to have read that statement as meaning lots of tears, sobbing or some such. I don't know. So the statement seems to have an ambiguous interpretation. And that happens all the time. The words that naturally come turn out to have a very different interpretation for some people than what was intended. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I liked " I cried " much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yeah - left as is, as a simple statement, speaking for itself, just > > what it is. > > > > -- Dan > > If the reader knows what you mean the simpler statement has > a directness that is preferable, yes. > > But some here seem to have read that statement as meaning > lots of tears, sobbing or some such. I don't know. So the > statement seems to have an ambiguous interpretation. > > And that happens all the time. The words that naturally come > turn out to have a very different interpretation for some > people than what was intended. > > > Bill > > Hey............sometimes I cry.........once.......I even peed in the bed. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > If the reader knows what you mean the simpler statement has > a directness that is preferable, yes. > > But some here seem to have read that statement as meaning > lots of tears, sobbing or some such. I don't know. So the > statement seems to have an ambiguous interpretation. > > And that happens all the time. The words that naturally come > turn out to have a very different interpretation for some > people than what was intended. > > > Bill Yes, so one can understand reactions to words that are read as a mirror. Or, one can misunderstand that the words being read provide a chance to provide a " corrective response " to someone else. ;-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > > > tears came from sentimentality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has not been the experience here. > > > > Tears come frequently........quite often while in > > conversation......tears will well up. > > > > They seem to be stimulated by a rememberence of a pristine > > comfort-zone......a primal....garden.....my first home. > > > > Tears blur the edges.......the eyes looking back...become my > > own....and I am swept away...over the orb. > > > > > > Tears begin to flow ....as these words appear......and I remember once > > again who I am. > > That is beautiful... > > I am especially struck by the " I remember once again who I am " > and the " swept away over the orb " . > > Sometimes I will " choke up " when I see something especially > beautiful. And those for whom that does not happen I feel > something precious in life is still missing. > > The American culture has roots of judgementalism about a man > crying, though perhaps that is changing. I don't know about > other countries. > > In my view a man that can cry is more mature, and stronger, > than a man that cannot. If a man simply *never* cries then > he has been wounded in a very deep way, in my view. It is a > kind of barrenness. > > Bill What about when there is no image at all to fit? What is it when " crying " or " not crying " aren't criteria for judgment - either way? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > > > > tears came from sentimentality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has not been the experience here. > > > > > > Tears come frequently........quite often while in > > > conversation......tears will well up. > > > > > > They seem to be stimulated by a rememberence of a pristine > > > comfort-zone......a primal....garden.....my first home. > > > > > > Tears blur the edges.......the eyes looking back...become my > > > own....and I am swept away...over the orb. > > > > > > > > > Tears begin to flow ....as these words appear......and I remember once > > > again who I am. > > > > That is beautiful... > > > > I am especially struck by the " I remember once again who I am " > > and the " swept away over the orb " . > > > > Sometimes I will " choke up " when I see something especially > > beautiful. And those for whom that does not happen I feel > > something precious in life is still missing. > > > > The American culture has roots of judgementalism about a man > > crying, though perhaps that is changing. I don't know about > > other countries. > > > > In my view a man that can cry is more mature, and stronger, > > than a man that cannot. If a man simply *never* cries then > > he has been wounded in a very deep way, in my view. It is a > > kind of barrenness. > > > > Bill > > What about when there is no image at all to fit? > > What is it when " crying " or " not crying " aren't criteria for judgment > - either way? > > -- Dan > if there is no judgement...it is not even called crying...or not crying...it is just what is without inerfering... this is only possible to be when the seeing is pure... then the so called crying-thing is not emphasized... this is awareness...not interfering with what is... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > > > > > tears came from sentimentality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has not been the experience here. > > > > > > > > Tears come frequently........quite often while in > > > > conversation......tears will well up. > > > > > > > > They seem to be stimulated by a rememberence of a pristine > > > > comfort-zone......a primal....garden.....my first home. > > > > > > > > Tears blur the edges.......the eyes looking back...become my > > > > own....and I am swept away...over the orb. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tears begin to flow ....as these words appear......and I > remember once > > > > again who I am. > > > > > > That is beautiful... > > > > > > I am especially struck by the " I remember once again who I am " > > > and the " swept away over the orb " . > > > > > > Sometimes I will " choke up " when I see something especially > > > beautiful. And those for whom that does not happen I feel > > > something precious in life is still missing. > > > > > > The American culture has roots of judgementalism about a man > > > crying, though perhaps that is changing. I don't know about > > > other countries. > > > > > > In my view a man that can cry is more mature, and stronger, > > > than a man that cannot. If a man simply *never* cries then > > > he has been wounded in a very deep way, in my view. It is a > > > kind of barrenness. > > > > > > Bill > > > > What about when there is no image at all to fit? > > > > What is it when " crying " or " not crying " aren't criteria for > judgment > > - either way? > > > > -- Dan > > > if there is no judgement...it is not even called crying...or not > crying...it is just what is without inerfering... > this is only possible to be when the seeing is pure... > then the so called crying-thing is not emphasized... > this is awareness...not interfering with what is... > ...iietsa > rather sterile, as I see it. and does saying reflect a seeing that is not " pure " ? what do you *call something* then? how do you communicate? or is it that " nothing ever happens " ... just the " pure state " ...? so nothing to report... and what do you mean by emphasized? does merely mentioning something mean an emphasis? does saying, " I cried " mean an emphasis? does saying, " I broke my pencil " mean an emphasis? and you seem to have a judgement about " judgement " ... do you consider that " judgement " is, errr... a sign of " not-pureness " ? yeah... no judgement... but we have the pure and the not pure... you *can* see the contradiction there can't you? BIll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > if there is no judgement...it is not even called crying...or not > crying...it is just what is without inerfering... > this is only possible to be when the seeing is pure... > then the so called crying-thing is not emphasized... > this is awareness...not interfering with what is... > ...iietsa yes, just what it is. no criteria attach. never have, never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, I think Pat's poem is good. When I began > > > > > > > > > > to have my firsts insights, sometimes, tears > > > > > > > > > > came to my eyes. Later, I understood those > > > > > > > > > > tears came from sentimentality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That has not been the experience here. > > > > > > > > > > Tears come frequently........quite often while in > > > > > conversation......tears will well up. > > > > > > > > > > They seem to be stimulated by a rememberence of a pristine > > > > > comfort-zone......a primal....garden.....my first home. > > > > > > > > > > Tears blur the edges.......the eyes looking back...become my > > > > > own....and I am swept away...over the orb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tears begin to flow ....as these words appear......and I > > remember once > > > > > again who I am. > > > > > > > > That is beautiful... > > > > > > > > I am especially struck by the " I remember once again who I am " > > > > and the " swept away over the orb " . > > > > > > > > Sometimes I will " choke up " when I see something especially > > > > beautiful. And those for whom that does not happen I feel > > > > something precious in life is still missing. > > > > > > > > The American culture has roots of judgementalism about a man > > > > crying, though perhaps that is changing. I don't know about > > > > other countries. > > > > > > > > In my view a man that can cry is more mature, and stronger, > > > > than a man that cannot. If a man simply *never* cries then > > > > he has been wounded in a very deep way, in my view. It is a > > > > kind of barrenness. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > What about when there is no image at all to fit? > > > > > > What is it when " crying " or " not crying " aren't criteria for > > judgment > > > - either way? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > if there is no judgement...it is not even called crying...or not > > crying...it is just what is without inerfering... > > this is only possible to be when the seeing is pure... > > then the so called crying-thing is not emphasized... > > this is awareness...not interfering with what is... > > ...iietsa > > > > rather sterile, as I see it. ......this is just a judgement by the mind > and does saying reflect a seeing that is not " pure " ? ......the seeing is pure...and words does not affecct it > what do you *call something* then? ......something is in the mind > how do you communicate? ......are you by communication here mean between two or more objects ? ......or are you asking if there is communication in oneness ? > or is it that " nothing ever happens " ... ......all that happens is the mind > just the " pure state " ...? ......and the mind is moving in the directionless > so nothing to report... ......nothing to say...thats communication high > and what do you mean by emphasized? ......when something for example is made more important than anything else > does merely mentioning something mean an emphasis? ......not if the mentioning is not emphasized > does saying, " I cried " mean an emphasis? ......this statement indicates that you take yourself to be the body > does saying, " I broke my pencil " mean an emphasis? ......this indicates that you are the doer...(the body) > and you seem to have a judgement about " judgement " ... > do you consider that " judgement " is, errr... a sign > of " not-pureness " ? ......I never judge...if judgement is coming I welcome it in openness > yeah... no judgement... but we have the pure and the > not pure... you *can* see the contradiction there > can't you? .......words are not reliable...pure here is just a pointer to say that there is something that is not a thing beyond all words......anyway the word is not the so called pure > > BIll > ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 <snip> > > > > > > > if there is no judgement...it is not even called crying...or not > > > crying...it is just what is without inerfering... > > > this is only possible to be when the seeing is pure... > > > then the so called crying-thing is not emphasized... > > > this is awareness...not interfering with what is... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > rather sterile, as I see it. > .....this is just a judgement by the mind > > and does saying reflect a seeing that is not " pure " ? > .....the seeing is pure...and words does not affecct it > > what do you *call something* then? > .....something is in the mind > > how do you communicate? > .....are you by communication here mean between two or more objects ? > .....or are you asking if there is communication in oneness ? > > or is it that " nothing ever happens " ... > .....all that happens is the mind > > just the " pure state " ...? > .....and the mind is moving in the directionless > > so nothing to report... > .....nothing to say...thats communication high > > and what do you mean by emphasized? > .....when something for example is made more important than anything > else > > does merely mentioning something mean an emphasis? > .....not if the mentioning is not emphasized > > does saying, " I cried " mean an emphasis? > .....this statement indicates that you take yourself to be the body > > does saying, " I broke my pencil " mean an emphasis? > .....this indicates that you are the doer...(the body) > > and you seem to have a judgement about " judgement " ... > > do you consider that " judgement " is, errr... a sign > > of " not-pureness " ? > .....I never judge...if judgement is coming I welcome it in openness > > yeah... no judgement... but we have the pure and the > > not pure... you *can* see the contradiction there > > can't you? > ......words are not reliable...pure here is just a pointer to say > that there is something that is not a thing beyond all > words......anyway the word is not the so called pure > > > > BIll > > > ...iietsa > re: " anyway the word is not the so called pure " which gets back to my point all along: you distinguish " the word " and " the pure " . I don't any time you put emphasis on a term like " the pure " you are making a fundamental distinction... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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