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> Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption

> are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering

> as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why

> the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared

> to be a man, but was always only spirit, were

> declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union

> (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the

> possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his

> crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important

> that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead

> friend. Could not he, if he was God not only

> resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all?

>

> If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could

> and would not, then, either death is good, or he

> wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show.

>

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I'm a novice when it comes to the tweaked, re-tweaked, ad

infinitum

> > > Bible, and it seems to me that the shortest verse in it is

> either " And

> > > Jesus Wept " or " Jesus Wept " .

> > > > :-)

> > > >

> > > > Michael

> > > > Adamson@

> > > >

> > > actually a topic in wikipedia:

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_wept

> > >

> > > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption

> > > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering

> > > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why

> > > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared

> > > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were

> > > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union

> > > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the

> > > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his

> > > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important

> > > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead

> > > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only

> > > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all?

> > >

> > > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could

> > > and would not, then, either death is good, or he

> > > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show.

> > >

> > >

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

>

> > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption

> > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering

> > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why

> > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared

> > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were

> > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union

> > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the

> > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his

> > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important

> > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead

> > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only

> > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all?

> >

> > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could

> > and would not, then, either death is good, or he

> > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show.

> >

> >

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

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> I'm a novice when it comes to the tweaked, re-tweaked, ad infinitum

> Bible, and it seems to me that the shortest verse in it is either " And

> Jesus Wept " or " Jesus Wept " .

> > :-)

> >

> > Michael

> > Adamson@

> >

> actually a topic in wikipedia:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_wept

>

> Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption

> are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering

> as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why

> the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared

> to be a man, but was always only spirit, were

> declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union

> (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the

> possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his

> crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important

> that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead

> friend. Could not he, if he was God not only

> resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all?

>

> If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could

> and would not, then, either death is good, or he

> wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show.

>

>

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

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> > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption

> > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering

> > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why

> > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared

> > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were

> > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union

> > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the

> > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his

> > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important

> > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead

> > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only

> > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all?

> >

> > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could

> > and would not, then, either death is good, or he

> > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show.

> >

> >

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On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Nisargadatta wrote:

 

> Jesus is not encapsulated in any organized version, nor in any

> heretical version.

>

> Regarding death: Death is beyond good, it is necessary.

>

> Jesus knows death is required for human beings, and he knows that

> humans can weep for loss.

>

> He doesn't deny his humanness.

>

> He is his humanness while he is human.

>

> He is.

>

> Is.

>

> No name.

>

> Jesus lost his name - oh no!

>

> Now he is just the Name.

>

> Unnamed.

>

> Unmasked.

>

> I see you Jesus.

>

> Without your name.

>

> Yet being human.

>

> I weep for you.

>

> You weep for me.

>

> We laugh.

>

> -- Dan

 

P: LOL! Are you a Christian? Christ is a bunch ideas

carefully crafted by Christian bishops while eating

roasted lamb, fish and oysters on a bed rizotto.

 

ps: Lot's of chianti was served.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

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>

> On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Nisargadatta wrote:

>

> > Jesus is not encapsulated in any organized version, nor in any

> > heretical version.

> >

> > Regarding death: Death is beyond good, it is necessary.

> >

> > Jesus knows death is required for human beings, and he knows that

> > humans can weep for loss.

> >

> > He doesn't deny his humanness.

> >

> > He is his humanness while he is human.

> >

> > He is.

> >

> > Is.

> >

> > No name.

> >

> > Jesus lost his name - oh no!

> >

> > Now he is just the Name.

> >

> > Unnamed.

> >

> > Unmasked.

> >

> > I see you Jesus.

> >

> > Without your name.

> >

> > Yet being human.

> >

> > I weep for you.

> >

> > You weep for me.

> >

> > We laugh.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> P: LOL! Are you a Christian? Christ is a bunch ideas

> carefully crafted by Christian bishops while eating

> roasted lamb, fish and oysters on a bed rizotto.

>

> ps: Lot's of chianti was served.

 

No, not at all.

 

Like I said, encapsulation isn't my thing.

 

I'm just saying what is to be said.

 

Dig it or not.

 

Moving on.

 

If one gets hung up on a name, one can joust with that name,

and whatever associations it brings up in one's head.

 

Me, I wept. I laughed.

 

Jesus is satisfied.

 

I am filled.

 

No one is looking in history for bodies to embalm.

 

Let the dead bury their dead.

 

Yo, dude!

 

L'Chiam.

 

-- Dan

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