Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all? > > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could > and would not, then, either death is good, or he > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm a novice when it comes to the tweaked, re-tweaked, ad infinitum > > > Bible, and it seems to me that the shortest verse in it is > either " And > > > Jesus Wept " or " Jesus Wept " . > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > Adamson@ > > > > > > > actually a topic in wikipedia: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_wept > > > > > > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption > > > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering > > > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why > > > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared > > > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were > > > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union > > > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the > > > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his > > > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important > > > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead > > > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only > > > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all? > > > > > > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could > > > and would not, then, either death is good, or he > > > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption > > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering > > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why > > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared > > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were > > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union > > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the > > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his > > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important > > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead > > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only > > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all? > > > > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could > > and would not, then, either death is good, or he > > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > I'm a novice when it comes to the tweaked, re-tweaked, ad infinitum > Bible, and it seems to me that the shortest verse in it is either " And > Jesus Wept " or " Jesus Wept " . > > :-) > > > > Michael > > Adamson@ > > > actually a topic in wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_wept > > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all? > > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could > and would not, then, either death is good, or he > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > Suffering, weeping, sin, repentance and redemption > > are central to Christianity as it is today. Suffering > > as a way of salvation ( Judy's way.) That's why > > the Nestorians, who claimed Jesus only appeared > > to be a man, but was always only spirit, were > > declared heretics. To denied the hypostatic union > > (Christ both as man and God) was to deny the > > possibility of his suffering; therefore, making his > > crucifixion only a sham. So, of course, it's important > > that Jesus is seen grieving and weeping for a dead > > friend. Could not he, if he was God not only > > resuscitate Lazarus, but eliminate death itself for all? > > > > If he could not, he was not omnipotent; if he could > > and would not, then, either death is good, or he > > wasn't good. In either case, his weeping was for show. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: > Jesus is not encapsulated in any organized version, nor in any > heretical version. > > Regarding death: Death is beyond good, it is necessary. > > Jesus knows death is required for human beings, and he knows that > humans can weep for loss. > > He doesn't deny his humanness. > > He is his humanness while he is human. > > He is. > > Is. > > No name. > > Jesus lost his name - oh no! > > Now he is just the Name. > > Unnamed. > > Unmasked. > > I see you Jesus. > > Without your name. > > Yet being human. > > I weep for you. > > You weep for me. > > We laugh. > > -- Dan P: LOL! Are you a Christian? Christ is a bunch ideas carefully crafted by Christian bishops while eating roasted lamb, fish and oysters on a bed rizotto. ps: Lot's of chianti was served. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Jesus is not encapsulated in any organized version, nor in any > > heretical version. > > > > Regarding death: Death is beyond good, it is necessary. > > > > Jesus knows death is required for human beings, and he knows that > > humans can weep for loss. > > > > He doesn't deny his humanness. > > > > He is his humanness while he is human. > > > > He is. > > > > Is. > > > > No name. > > > > Jesus lost his name - oh no! > > > > Now he is just the Name. > > > > Unnamed. > > > > Unmasked. > > > > I see you Jesus. > > > > Without your name. > > > > Yet being human. > > > > I weep for you. > > > > You weep for me. > > > > We laugh. > > > > -- Dan > > P: LOL! Are you a Christian? Christ is a bunch ideas > carefully crafted by Christian bishops while eating > roasted lamb, fish and oysters on a bed rizotto. > > ps: Lot's of chianti was served. No, not at all. Like I said, encapsulation isn't my thing. I'm just saying what is to be said. Dig it or not. Moving on. If one gets hung up on a name, one can joust with that name, and whatever associations it brings up in one's head. Me, I wept. I laughed. Jesus is satisfied. I am filled. No one is looking in history for bodies to embalm. Let the dead bury their dead. Yo, dude! L'Chiam. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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