Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 --- iietsa <iietsa wrote: > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking that you are not the one that imagines > > things.....is > > > > > > separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking that separation does not exist......brings it to > > > > > > existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thinking is......itself separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Era......this one's for you) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never think > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > but thinking happens... > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking is not a " doing " by a somebody... > > > > > > > > > > > > but if the car keys get lost there is > > > > > > some thinking going on to find them. > > > > > > > > > > > > " inner dialog " and thinking are not the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > there can be an end to " inner dialog " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is still thinking... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is still problem solving... > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking can be silent, " in the dark " as it were... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > it seems that you are emphasizing thought and its movement > in > > > time > > > > > created by itself...I emphasize no thing... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > if that is what seems to you... then you have got it wrong. > > > > > > > > I in no way emphasize thought. > > > > > > > > I said that thinking happens, and that there is thinking > > > > that is not characterized by thought. > > > > > > > > So absurd! You say I am emphasizing thought and I didn't > > > > even use the word " thought " ! > > > > > > > > What do you do for a living? Do you have to work? > > > > Do you ever have to solve problems? > > > > Solving problems involves thinking by definition. > > > > > > > > But that thinking does not need to entail " inner dialog " > > > > or " thought chains " . The solving of a problem can be > > > > in effect " dreamed " . It is a deep, mysterious process. > > > > But it is still rightfully called " thinking " ... even if > > > > it is very different from what people ordinarily call > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > As I said, solving problems entails thinking. > > > > What if you lose your car keys? How do you find them? > > > > Do you ever solve any " problems " ... ? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > I never solve any " problems " ... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > So explain that a little more. > > Do you work for a living? > > What do you do all day? > > If you just sit staring at the wall, > > walking in nature etc. then lovely, > > and sure, no problem solving. > ......I only dont create problems... > ......so naturaly there are no problems to be solved... > > Do you drive? > > You never answered my question as to > > what you do if you lose your car keys. > .....if the car keys are lost...the car keys are lost... > .....I just dont make a problem out of it... > > What if something you regularly use stops working > > correctly? > ....working correctly is only an idea about how it should be.. > ....the fact is what is...and that good enough for me > ....no need to make a problem to be solved out of it... > > Do you just throw it away and get a new one? > > Or do you try to figure our what is wrong with it? > ....there is nothing wrong with it... > ....even if the mind is saying that there is... > ....only dont trust your mind...it creates all the appearent > problems...iietsa > > Bill > > I've lost interest in this conversation, iietsa. We are on two different planets discussing this. No problem... just a failure to communicate. Which is not really a big deal. All the best, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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