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Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart

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>

>

> --- iietsa <iietsa wrote:

>

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

<pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thinking that you are not the one that imagines

> > > things.....is

> > > > > > > separation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thinking that separation does not exist......brings

it to

> > > > > > > existence.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thinking is......itself separation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (Era......this one's for you)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I never think

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but thinking happens...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thinking is not a " doing " by a somebody...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but if the car keys get lost there is

> > > > > > > some thinking going on to find them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " inner dialog " and thinking are not the same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there can be an end to " inner dialog " ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but there is still thinking...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is still problem solving...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thinking can be silent, " in the dark " as it were...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > it seems that you are emphasizing thought and its

movement

> > in

> > > > time

> > > > > > created by itself...I emphasize no thing...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > > if that is what seems to you... then you have got it wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I in no way emphasize thought.

> > > > >

> > > > > I said that thinking happens, and that there is thinking

> > > > > that is not characterized by thought.

> > > > >

> > > > > So absurd! You say I am emphasizing thought and I didn't

> > > > > even use the word " thought " !

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you do for a living? Do you have to work?

> > > > > Do you ever have to solve problems?

> > > > > Solving problems involves thinking by definition.

> > > > >

> > > > > But that thinking does not need to entail " inner dialog "

> > > > > or " thought chains " . The solving of a problem can be

> > > > > in effect " dreamed " . It is a deep, mysterious process.

> > > > > But it is still rightfully called " thinking " ... even if

> > > > > it is very different from what people ordinarily call

> > > > > thinking.

> > > > >

> > > > > As I said, solving problems entails thinking.

> > > > > What if you lose your car keys? How do you find them?

> > > > > Do you ever solve any " problems " ... ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I never solve any " problems " ...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > >

> > > So explain that a little more.

> > > Do you work for a living?

> > > What do you do all day?

> > > If you just sit staring at the wall,

> > > walking in nature etc. then lovely,

> > > and sure, no problem solving.

> > ......I only dont create problems...

> > ......so naturaly there are no problems to be solved...

> > > Do you drive?

> > > You never answered my question as to

> > > what you do if you lose your car keys.

> > .....if the car keys are lost...the car keys are lost...

> > .....I just dont make a problem out of it...

> > > What if something you regularly use stops working

> > > correctly?

> > ....working correctly is only an idea about how it should be..

> > ....the fact is what is...and that good enough for me

> > ....no need to make a problem to be solved out of it...

> > > Do you just throw it away and get a new one?

> > > Or do you try to figure our what is wrong with it?

> > ....there is nothing wrong with it...

> > ....even if the mind is saying that there is...

> > ....only dont trust your mind...it creates all the appearent

> > problems...iietsa

> > > Bill

> > >

>

> I've lost interest in this conversation, iietsa.

> We are on two different planets discussing this.

> No problem... just a failure to communicate.

> Which is not really a big deal.

>

> All the best,

> Bill

 

:)

I am not different from you...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > --- iietsa <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thinking that you are not the one that imagines

> > > > things.....is

> > > > > > > > separation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thinking that separation does not exist......brings

> it to

> > > > > > > > existence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thinking is......itself separation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (Era......this one's for you)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I never think

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but thinking happens...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thinking is not a " doing " by a somebody...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but if the car keys get lost there is

> > > > > > > > some thinking going on to find them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " inner dialog " and thinking are not the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there can be an end to " inner dialog " ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but there is still thinking...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is still problem solving...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thinking can be silent, " in the dark " as it were...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it seems that you are emphasizing thought and its

> movement

> > > in

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > created by itself...I emphasize no thing...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if that is what seems to you... then you have got it wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I in no way emphasize thought.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I said that thinking happens, and that there is thinking

> > > > > > that is not characterized by thought.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So absurd! You say I am emphasizing thought and I didn't

> > > > > > even use the word " thought " !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do you do for a living? Do you have to work?

> > > > > > Do you ever have to solve problems?

> > > > > > Solving problems involves thinking by definition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But that thinking does not need to entail " inner dialog "

> > > > > > or " thought chains " . The solving of a problem can be

> > > > > > in effect " dreamed " . It is a deep, mysterious process.

> > > > > > But it is still rightfully called " thinking " ... even if

> > > > > > it is very different from what people ordinarily call

> > > > > > thinking.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I said, solving problems entails thinking.

> > > > > > What if you lose your car keys? How do you find them?

> > > > > > Do you ever solve any " problems " ... ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I never solve any " problems " ...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > So explain that a little more.

> > > > Do you work for a living?

> > > > What do you do all day?

> > > > If you just sit staring at the wall,

> > > > walking in nature etc. then lovely,

> > > > and sure, no problem solving.

> > > ......I only dont create problems...

> > > ......so naturaly there are no problems to be solved...

> > > > Do you drive?

> > > > You never answered my question as to

> > > > what you do if you lose your car keys.

> > > .....if the car keys are lost...the car keys are lost...

> > > .....I just dont make a problem out of it...

> > > > What if something you regularly use stops working

> > > > correctly?

> > > ....working correctly is only an idea about how it should be..

> > > ....the fact is what is...and that good enough for me

> > > ....no need to make a problem to be solved out of it...

> > > > Do you just throw it away and get a new one?

> > > > Or do you try to figure our what is wrong with it?

> > > ....there is nothing wrong with it...

> > > ....even if the mind is saying that there is...

> > > ....only dont trust your mind...it creates all the appearent

> > > problems...iietsa

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> > I've lost interest in this conversation, iietsa.

> > We are on two different planets discussing this.

> > No problem... just a failure to communicate.

> > Which is not really a big deal.

> >

> > All the best,

> > Bill

>

> :)

> I am not different from you...

> ...iietsa

 

cool!

I'll put that down as a " communicative moment " ! :)

 

Bill

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