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once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

 

flowing through the great Ocean.....

 

feeling the infinite ocean.....

 

and felt in love to It....

 

and then continue....to flow...

 

through this love.....all around....

 

which give existence of.....

 

infinite numbers.....

 

of other....

 

little...

 

dream-bubbles....

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

>

>

> once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

>

> flowing through the great Ocean.....

>

> feeling the infinite ocean.....

>

> and felt in love to It....

>

> and then continue....to flow...

>

> through this love.....all around....

>

> which give existence of.....

>

> infinite numbers.....

>

> of other....

>

> little...

>

> dream-bubbles....

>

>

> Marc

 

 

 

Ps: this few words is open for corrections...

i mean....maybe someone who is an expert in english language...

could have some fun to imagine it....in the right words

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

>

>

> once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

>

> flowing through the great Ocean.....

>

> feeling the infinite ocean.....

>

> and felt in love to It....

>

> and then continue....to flow...

>

> through this love.....all around....

>

> which give existence of.....

>

> infinite numbers.....

>

> of other....

>

> little...

>

> dream-bubbles....

>

>

> Marc

 

Like Indra's Net?

 

Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

of one bubble?

 

What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

 

Bill

 

re Indra's Net:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_Net

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> >

> > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> >

> > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> >

> > and felt in love to It....

> >

> > and then continue....to flow...

> >

> > through this love.....all around....

> >

> > which give existence of.....

> >

> > infinite numbers.....

> >

> > of other....

> >

> > little...

> >

> > dream-bubbles....

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> Like Indra's Net?

 

sounds interesting....

never heared about...

 

>

> Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> of one bubble?

 

to answer this question....it would be necessary that you understand

what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

 

there is no... " one bubble " .....

 

if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " .....

dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

 

but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the connection/reflections to

them

 

 

 

 

> What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

 

you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

 

it's the end of dream

>

> Bill

>

> re Indra's Net:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_Net

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > >

> > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > >

> > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > >

> > > and felt in love to It....

> > >

> > > and then continue....to flow...

> > >

> > > through this love.....all around....

> > >

> > > which give existence of.....

> > >

> > > infinite numbers.....

> > >

> > > of other....

> > >

> > > little...

> > >

> > > dream-bubbles....

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > Like Indra's Net?

>

> sounds interesting....

> never heared about...

>

> >

> > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > of one bubble?

>

> to answer this question....it would be necessary that you

understand

> what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

>

> there is no... " one bubble " .....

>

> if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " .....

> dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

>

> but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the connection/reflections

to

> them

>

>

>

>

> > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

>

> you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

>

> it's the end of dream

 

if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

different dream.

 

how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

dream?

 

Bill

 

> >

> > Bill

> >

> > re Indra's Net:

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_Net

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > >

> > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > >

> > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > >

> > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > >

> > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > >

> > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > >

> > > > which give existence of.....

> > > >

> > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > >

> > > > of other....

> > > >

> > > > little...

> > > >

> > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > Like Indra's Net?

> >

> > sounds interesting....

> > never heared about...

> >

> > >

> > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > of one bubble?

> >

> > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you

> understand

> > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> >

> > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> >

> > if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " .....

> > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> >

> > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

connection/reflections

> to

> > them

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> >

> > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> >

> > it's the end of dream

>

> if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> different dream.

>

> how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> dream?

>

> Bill

>

> > >

it's possible to know this.....

 

just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake up in

the morning....

 

ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that " one "

never can know anything (about truth....).....

 

it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always busy.....and

running.....and running....

don't know anything else

 

and therefore insist....sometimes....

that there is nothing else than this endless running mind....

 

 

 

it has to do with the identification....

 

when the false identification disappear....then there is knowledge....

on how to make the difference between non-self...and self....

 

ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that there is

no real self.....and that the real self never could be known.....

 

but this is....again......due to the fact....

 

of the never ending running....mind-machine....

 

 

 

two possibilites....

 

one know real Self.....

or not....

 

the one who know....know he/she know....

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by having

great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That knowledge....

 

ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can be

catched....outside....somewhere....

 

but it can't

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Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of other....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > little...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > >

> > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > never heared about...

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > of one bubble?

> > > >

> > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you

> > > understand

> > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > >

> > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > >

> > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " .....

> > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > >

> > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > connection/reflections

> > > to

> > > > them

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > >

> > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > >

> > > > it's the end of dream

> > >

> > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > different dream.

> > >

> > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > dream?

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > > > >

> > it's possible to know this.....

> >

> > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake up

> in

> > the morning....

> >

> > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that " one "

> > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> >

> > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always busy.....and

> > running.....and running....

> > don't know anything else

> >

> > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind....

> >

> >

> >

> > it has to do with the identification....

> >

> > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> knowledge....

> > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self....

> >

> > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that there

> is

> > no real self.....and that the real self never could be known.....

> >

> > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> >

> > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> >

> >

> >

> > two possibilites....

> >

> > one know real Self.....

> > or not....

> >

> > the one who know....know he/she know....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by

> having

> > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That knowledge....

> >

> > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can be

> > catched....outside....somewhere....

> >

> > but it can't

> >

>

> Just now...as you are reading...

> how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

>

> Noel

>

 

 

The question is circular.

 

It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being

able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

 

 

Do you like it here better then in the summer?

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

> bubbles " .....

> > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > to

> > > > > > them

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > >

> > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > > > different dream.

> > > > >

> > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > dream?

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > >

> > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake

> up

> > > in

> > > > the morning....

> > > >

> > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> insist....that " one "

> > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > >

> > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always

> busy.....and

> > > > running.....and running....

> > > > don't know anything else

> > > >

> > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > >

> > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> > > knowledge....

> > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self....

> > > >

> > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that

> there

> > > is

> > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be

> known.....

> > > >

> > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > >

> > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > two possibilites....

> > > >

> > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > or not....

> > > >

> > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by

> > > having

> > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That

> knowledge....

> > > >

> > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can

> be

> > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > >

> > > > but it can't

> > > >

> > >

> > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > >

> > > Noel

> > >

> >

> >

> > The question is circular.

> >

> > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being

> > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

> >

> >

> > Do you like it here better then in the summer?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> The question is circular to you toombaru.

>

> It seems to me everything is circular to you.

>

> My question assumes nothing.

>

> I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

>

> Noel

>

 

 

 

Do you like it here better then in the summer?

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that

you

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

> > bubbles " .....

> > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > > > > different dream.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > > dream?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > > >

> > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you

wake

> > up

> > > > in

> > > > > the morning....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> > insist....that " one "

> > > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > > >

> > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always

> > busy.....and

> > > > > running.....and running....

> > > > > don't know anything else

> > > > >

> > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running

mind....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > > >

> > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> > > > knowledge....

> > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and

self....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

insist....that

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be

> > known.....

> > > > >

> > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > > >

> > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > two possibilites....

> > > > >

> > > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > > or not....

> > > > >

> > > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless

thoughts.....by

> > > > having

> > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That

> > knowledge....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge

can

> > be

> > > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > > >

> > > > > but it can't

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > > >

> > > > Noel

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The question is circular.

> > >

> > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming

being

> > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

> > >

> > >

> > > Do you like it here better then in the summer?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > The question is circular to you toombaru.

> >

> > It seems to me everything is circular to you.

> >

> > My question assumes nothing.

> >

> > I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

> >

> > Noel

> >

>

>

>

> Do you like it here better then in the summer?

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

that's the very reason why a mouse is when it spins......there is a

place...space.......trace it if you can.......everything is

circular.....the geometry of spacetime is annulated, and everything

is reaching, falling towards the center that is everywhere.....any

there are no things and no summer and no here......don't you hear?

 

 

I once asked those type of questions of a zen master, for it seemed a

long time....whatever time is/does....and one day, in that time, in

the life of the nonliving nothingness of quiescent flowingness, after

asking that very same toomy question....I looked....I saw...the hand

of the master was coming down fast...BANG SLAP!.... " ...and THAT my

incessantly inqusitive friend, is the sound of one hand clapping----

upside yo' Head! " . I never asked him if he preferred here to summer

again.

 

 

........bob

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> if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> different dream.

>

> how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> dream?

>

> Bill

 

Is anything is going on, including the ending of a dream, that's " dream. "

 

If nothing is going on, there's no dream -- but nothing to say, and no

one to notice.

 

Between something going on and nothing going on, Nisargadatta keeps

stubbing his toe!

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote:

 

> My question assumes nothing.

>

> I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

>

> Noel

 

Is the person you would like an answer from, a person who can think

while dreaming, or a person who can think while being awake?

 

When you hear the person's response, will you be awake or dreaming?

 

How will you know?

 

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Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

> bubbles " .....

> > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > to

> > > > > > them

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > >

> > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > > > different dream.

> > > > >

> > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > dream?

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > >

> > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake

> up

> > > in

> > > > the morning....

> > > >

> > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> insist....that " one "

> > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > >

> > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always

> busy.....and

> > > > running.....and running....

> > > > don't know anything else

> > > >

> > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > >

> > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> > > knowledge....

> > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self....

> > > >

> > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that

> there

> > > is

> > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be

> known.....

> > > >

> > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > >

> > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > two possibilites....

> > > >

> > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > or not....

> > > >

> > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by

> > > having

> > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That

> knowledge....

> > > >

> > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can

> be

> > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > >

> > > > but it can't

> > > >

> > >

> > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > >

> > > Noel

> > >

> >

> >

> > The question is circular.

> >

> > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being

> > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

> >

> >

> > Do you like it here better then in the summer?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> The question is circular to you toombaru.

>

> It seems to me everything is circular to you.

>

> My question assumes nothing.

>

> I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

>

> Noel

>

 

 

Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy

philosophical treatises on it.

 

My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the

beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within

dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a kaleidescope.

 

Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a

dream, we fall in and out of.

 

(I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in

another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or

deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will have

shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.)

 

~*~

 

~*~

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that

you

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

> > bubbles " .....

> > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > > > > different dream.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > > dream?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > > >

> > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you

wake

> > up

> > > > in

> > > > > the morning....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> > insist....that " one "

> > > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > > >

> > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always

> > busy.....and

> > > > > running.....and running....

> > > > > don't know anything else

> > > > >

> > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running

mind....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > > >

> > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> > > > knowledge....

> > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and

self....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

insist....that

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be

> > known.....

> > > > >

> > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > > >

> > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > two possibilites....

> > > > >

> > > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > > or not....

> > > > >

> > > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless

thoughts.....by

> > > > having

> > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That

> > knowledge....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge

can

> > be

> > > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > > >

> > > > > but it can't

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > > >

> > > > Noel

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The question is circular.

> > >

> > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming

being

> > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

> > >

> > >

> > > Do you like it here better then in the summer?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > The question is circular to you toombaru.

> >

> > It seems to me everything is circular to you.

> >

> > My question assumes nothing.

> >

> > I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

> >

> > Noel

> >

>

>

> Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy

> philosophical treatises on it.

>

> My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the

> beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within

> dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a

kaleidescope.

>

> Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a

> dream, we fall in and out of.

>

> (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in

> another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or

> deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will

have

> shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.)

>

> ~*~

>

> ~*~

 

 

 

" With relief, with humiliation, with terror, he understood that he

also was an illusion, that someone else was dreaming him. "

 

Jorge Luis Borges

 

..bob

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wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that

you

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

> > bubbles " .....

> > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > them

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > > > > different dream.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > > dream?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > > >

> > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you

wake

> > up

> > > > in

> > > > > the morning....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> > insist....that " one "

> > > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > > >

> > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always

> > busy.....and

> > > > > running.....and running....

> > > > > don't know anything else

> > > > >

> > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running

mind....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > > >

> > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> > > > knowledge....

> > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and

self....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

insist....that

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be

> > known.....

> > > > >

> > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > > >

> > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > two possibilites....

> > > > >

> > > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > > or not....

> > > > >

> > > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless

thoughts.....by

> > > > having

> > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That

> > knowledge....

> > > > >

> > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge

can

> > be

> > > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > > >

> > > > > but it can't

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > > >

> > > > Noel

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The question is circular.

> > >

> > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming

being

> > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

> > >

> > >

> > > Do you like it here better then in the summer?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > The question is circular to you toombaru.

> >

> > It seems to me everything is circular to you.

> >

> > My question assumes nothing.

> >

> > I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

> >

> > Noel

> >

>

>

> Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy

> philosophical treatises on it.

>

> My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the

> beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within

> dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a

kaleidescope.

>

> Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a

> dream, we fall in and out of.

>

> (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in

> another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or

> deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will

have

> shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.)

>

> ~*~

>

> ~*~

>

 

There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as

you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the

questioner. When all questions end you are awake.

 

R.

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>

> There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as

> you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the

> questioner. When all questions end you are awake.

>

> R.

>

 

 

 

A swing........and a miss.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

>

> > >

> >

> > There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as

> > you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the

> > questioner. When all questions end you are awake.

> >

> > R.

> >

>

>

>

> A swing........and a miss.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

the pun on " thrown " ........was not

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Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of other....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > little...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > >

> > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > never heared about...

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > of one bubble?

> > > >

> > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you

> > > understand

> > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > >

> > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > >

> > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

bubbles " .....

> > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > >

> > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > connection/reflections

> > > to

> > > > them

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > >

> > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > >

> > > > it's the end of dream

> > >

> > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > different dream.

> > >

> > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > dream?

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > > > >

> > it's possible to know this.....

> >

> > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake up

> in

> > the morning....

> >

> > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that " one "

> > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> >

> > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always busy.....and

> > running.....and running....

> > don't know anything else

> >

> > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind....

> >

> >

> >

> > it has to do with the identification....

> >

> > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> knowledge....

> > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self....

> >

> > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that

there

> is

> > no real self.....and that the real self never could be known.....

> >

> > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> >

> > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> >

> >

> >

> > two possibilites....

> >

> > one know real Self.....

> > or not....

> >

> > the one who know....know he/she know....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by

> having

> > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That knowledge....

> >

> > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can be

> > catched....outside....somewhere....

> >

> > but it can't

> >

>

> Just now...as you are reading...

> how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

>

> Noel

 

 

the entity who is reading is not the dream-bubble.....that you will

read as " Marc " .....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that

> you

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

> > > bubbles " .....

> > > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > > > > > different dream.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > > > dream?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you

> wake

> > > up

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the morning....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> > > insist....that " one "

> > > > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always

> > > busy.....and

> > > > > > running.....and running....

> > > > > > don't know anything else

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running

> mind....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> > > > > knowledge....

> > > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and

> self....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> insist....that

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be

> > > known.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > two possibilites....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > > > or not....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless

> thoughts.....by

> > > > > having

> > > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That

> > > knowledge....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge

> can

> > > be

> > > > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but it can't

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > > > >

> > > > > Noel

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The question is circular.

> > > >

> > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming

> being

> > > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > > The question is circular to you toombaru.

> > >

> > > It seems to me everything is circular to you.

> > >

> > > My question assumes nothing.

> > >

> > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

> > >

> > > Noel

> > >

> >

> >

> > Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy

> > philosophical treatises on it.

> >

> > My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's

the

> > beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within

> > dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a

> kaleidescope.

> >

> > Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a

> > dream, we fall in and out of.

> >

> > (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in

> > another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or

> > deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will

> have

> > shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.)

> >

> > ~*~

> >

> > ~*~

>

>

>

> " With relief, with humiliation, with terror, he understood that he

> also was an illusion, that someone else was dreaming him. "

>

> Jorge Luis Borges

>

> ..bob

 

 

lol

 

this " someone else " .... " dreaming him " ....is only a dream

 

there is nobody realy....dreaming anybody

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections

> > > > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that

> you

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-

> > > bubbles " .....

> > > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble....

> > > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least

> > > > > > > different dream.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops

> > > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > > > dream?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you

> wake

> > > up

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the morning....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> > > insist....that " one "

> > > > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always

> > > busy.....and

> > > > > > running.....and running....

> > > > > > don't know anything else

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running

> mind....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is

> > > > > knowledge....

> > > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and

> self....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> insist....that

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be

> > > known.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > two possibilites....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > > > or not....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can

> > > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless

> thoughts.....by

> > > > > having

> > > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That

> > > knowledge....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge

> can

> > > be

> > > > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but it can't

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > > > >

> > > > > Noel

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The question is circular.

> > > >

> > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming

> being

> > > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > > The question is circular to you toombaru.

> > >

> > > It seems to me everything is circular to you.

> > >

> > > My question assumes nothing.

> > >

> > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think.

> > >

> > > Noel

> > >

> >

> >

> > Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy

> > philosophical treatises on it.

> >

> > My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's

the

> > beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within

> > dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a

> kaleidescope.

> >

> > Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a

> > dream, we fall in and out of.

> >

> > (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in

> > another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or

> > deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will

> have

> > shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.)

> >

> > ~*~

> >

> > ~*~

> >

>

> There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as

> you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the

> questioner. When all questions end you are awake.

>

> R.

 

yes....

 

it's easy....

 

much easier than any dream could imagine....:)

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote:

>

> > Nisargadatta ,

> > " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau "

> > <noel_beau@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > once there has been one of this

> > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and felt in love to It....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > through this love.....all around....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > which give existence of.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > infinite numbers.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > of other....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > little...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dream-bubbles....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like Indra's Net?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sounds interesting....

> > > > > > never heared about...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really

> > reflections

> > > > > > > of one bubble?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to answer this question....it would be

> > necessary that you

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " .....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you would read please the message " about

> > dream-

> > bubbles " .....

> > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and

> > space.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a

> > dream-bubble....

> > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the

> > > > connection/reflections

> > > > > to

> > > > > > them

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to

> > pop?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's the end of dream

> > > > >

> > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and

> > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming,

> > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at

> > least

> > > > > different dream.

> > > > >

> > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble

> > pops

> > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not

> > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different

> > > > > dream?

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > it's possible to know this.....

> > > >

> > > > just like you know that the dream come to

> > end...when you wake up

> > > in

> > > > the morning....

> > > >

> > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> > insist....that " one "

> > > > never can know anything (about truth....).....

> > > >

> > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is

> > always busy.....and

> > > > running.....and running....

> > > > don't know anything else

> > > >

> > > > and therefore insist....sometimes....

> > > > that there is nothing else than this endless

> > running mind....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > it has to do with the identification....

> > > >

> > > > when the false identification disappear....then

> > there is

> > > knowledge....

> > > > on how to make the difference between

> > non-self...and self....

> > > >

> > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who

> > insist....that

> > there

> > > is

> > > > no real self.....and that the real self never

> > could be known.....

> > > >

> > > > but this is....again......due to the fact....

> > > >

> > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > two possibilites....

> > > >

> > > > one know real Self.....

> > > > or not....

> > > >

> > > > the one who know....know he/she know....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that

> > one can

> > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless

> > thoughts.....by

> > > having

> > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas.....

> > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have

> > That knowledge....

> > > >

> > > > ok....there are some people who think that That

> > knowledge can be

> > > > catched....outside....somewhere....

> > > >

> > > > but it can't

> > > >

> > >

> > > Just now...as you are reading...

> > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming?

> > >

> > > Noel

> >

> >

> > the entity who is reading is not the

> > dream-bubble.....that you will

> > read as " Marc " .....

> >

> > Marc

> > >

>

>

> Yes...

>

> I like 'dream-bubble'.

>

> There are bubble solutions sold with little plastic

> tools. One dips the tool into the bubble solution and

> holds the tool up, blowing through the circular piece

> of the tool and bubbles flow...

>

> Beautiful rainbow colored bubbles...

>

> reflecting each other...

>

> floating off...

>

> glistening in the sun...

>

> Yes, they burst,

>

> but they do not die...

>

> they are simply transformed.

>

> Noel

>

 

 

yes...

 

i know this nice bubbles....

 

let's " read " some in here......

 

:)

 

Marc

 

 

>

>

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