Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... flowing through the great Ocean..... feeling the infinite ocean..... and felt in love to It.... and then continue....to flow... through this love.....all around.... which give existence of..... infinite numbers..... of other.... little... dream-bubbles.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > and felt in love to It.... > > and then continue....to flow... > > through this love.....all around.... > > which give existence of..... > > infinite numbers..... > > of other.... > > little... > > dream-bubbles.... > > > Marc Ps: this few words is open for corrections... i mean....maybe someone who is an expert in english language... could have some fun to imagine it....in the right words > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > and felt in love to It.... > > and then continue....to flow... > > through this love.....all around.... > > which give existence of..... > > infinite numbers..... > > of other.... > > little... > > dream-bubbles.... > > > Marc Like Indra's Net? Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections of one bubble? What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? Bill re Indra's Net: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_Net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > of other.... > > > > little... > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > Marc > > Like Indra's Net? sounds interesting.... never heared about... > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > of one bubble? to answer this question....it would be necessary that you understand what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... there is no... " one bubble " ..... if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " ..... dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the connection/reflections to them > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? it's the end of dream > > Bill > > re Indra's Net: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_Net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > little... > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > sounds interesting.... > never heared about... > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > of one bubble? > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you understand > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " ..... > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the connection/reflections to > them > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > it's the end of dream if someone dreams at night while sleeping and then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least different dream. how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops and it is the end of the dream, that it is not still dreaming, just in a bigger or different dream? Bill > > > > Bill > > > > re Indra's Net: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_Net > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > sounds interesting.... > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > of one bubble? > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > understand > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " ..... > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the connection/reflections > to > > them > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > it's the end of dream > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > different dream. > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > dream? > > Bill > > > > it's possible to know this..... just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake up in the morning.... ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that " one " never can know anything (about truth....)..... it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always busy.....and running.....and running.... don't know anything else and therefore insist....sometimes.... that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... it has to do with the identification.... when the false identification disappear....then there is knowledge.... on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that there is no real self.....and that the real self never could be known..... but this is....again......due to the fact.... of the never ending running....mind-machine.... two possibilites.... one know real Self..... or not.... the one who know....know he/she know.... Marc Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by having great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That knowledge.... ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can be catched....outside....somewhere.... but it can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > > > understand > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream-bubbles " ..... > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > connection/reflections > > > to > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > different dream. > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > dream? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake up > in > > the morning.... > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that " one " > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always busy.....and > > running.....and running.... > > don't know anything else > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > knowledge.... > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that there > is > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be known..... > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > one know real Self..... > > or not.... > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by > having > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That knowledge.... > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can be > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > but it can't > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > Noel > The question is circular. It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. Do you like it here better then in the summer? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > > > > > understand > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > to > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake > up > > > in > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > insist....that " one " > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always > busy.....and > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > > > knowledge.... > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that > there > > > is > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be > known..... > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by > > > having > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That > knowledge.... > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can > be > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > The question is circular. > > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > The question is circular to you toombaru. > > It seems to me everything is circular to you. > > My question assumes nothing. > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > Noel > Do you like it here better then in the summer? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- > > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > > to > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake > > up > > > > in > > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > > insist....that " one " > > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always > > busy.....and > > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > > > > knowledge.... > > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... > > > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that > > there > > > > is > > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be > > known..... > > > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by > > > > having > > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That > > knowledge.... > > > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can > > be > > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is circular. > > > > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being > > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. > > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > The question is circular to you toombaru. > > > > It seems to me everything is circular to you. > > > > My question assumes nothing. > > > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > > > Noel > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > toombaru that's the very reason why a mouse is when it spins......there is a place...space.......trace it if you can.......everything is circular.....the geometry of spacetime is annulated, and everything is reaching, falling towards the center that is everywhere.....any there are no things and no summer and no here......don't you hear? I once asked those type of questions of a zen master, for it seemed a long time....whatever time is/does....and one day, in that time, in the life of the nonliving nothingness of quiescent flowingness, after asking that very same toomy question....I looked....I saw...the hand of the master was coming down fast...BANG SLAP!.... " ...and THAT my incessantly inqusitive friend, is the sound of one hand clapping---- upside yo' Head! " . I never asked him if he preferred here to summer again. ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > different dream. > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > dream? > > Bill Is anything is going on, including the ending of a dream, that's " dream. " If nothing is going on, there's no dream -- but nothing to say, and no one to notice. Between something going on and nothing going on, Nisargadatta keeps stubbing his toe! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote: > My question assumes nothing. > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > Noel Is the person you would like an answer from, a person who can think while dreaming, or a person who can think while being awake? When you hear the person's response, will you be awake or dreaming? How will you know? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > > > > > understand > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > to > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake > up > > > in > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > insist....that " one " > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always > busy.....and > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > > > knowledge.... > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that > there > > > is > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be > known..... > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by > > > having > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That > knowledge.... > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can > be > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > The question is circular. > > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > The question is circular to you toombaru. > > It seems to me everything is circular to you. > > My question assumes nothing. > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > Noel > Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy philosophical treatises on it. My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a kaleidescope. Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a dream, we fall in and out of. (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will have shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.) ~*~ ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- > > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > > to > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake > > up > > > > in > > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > > insist....that " one " > > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always > > busy.....and > > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > > > > knowledge.... > > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... > > > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that > > there > > > > is > > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be > > known..... > > > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by > > > > having > > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That > > knowledge.... > > > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can > > be > > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is circular. > > > > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being > > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. > > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > The question is circular to you toombaru. > > > > It seems to me everything is circular to you. > > > > My question assumes nothing. > > > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > > > Noel > > > > > Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy > philosophical treatises on it. > > My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the > beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within > dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a kaleidescope. > > Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a > dream, we fall in and out of. > > (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in > another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or > deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will have > shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.) > > ~*~ > > ~*~ " With relief, with humiliation, with terror, he understood that he also was an illusion, that someone else was dreaming him. " Jorge Luis Borges ..bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- > > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > > to > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake > > up > > > > in > > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > > insist....that " one " > > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always > > busy.....and > > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > > > > knowledge.... > > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... > > > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that > > there > > > > is > > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be > > known..... > > > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by > > > > having > > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That > > knowledge.... > > > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can > > be > > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is circular. > > > > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming being > > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. > > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > The question is circular to you toombaru. > > > > It seems to me everything is circular to you. > > > > My question assumes nothing. > > > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > > > Noel > > > > > Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy > philosophical treatises on it. > > My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the > beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within > dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a kaleidescope. > > Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a > dream, we fall in and out of. > > (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in > another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or > deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will have > shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.) > > ~*~ > > ~*~ > There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the questioner. When all questions end you are awake. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 > > > > There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as > you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the > questioner. When all questions end you are awake. > > R. > A swing........and a miss. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as > > you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the > > questioner. When all questions end you are awake. > > > > R. > > > > > > A swing........and a miss. > > > > toombaru > the pun on " thrown " ........was not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that you > > > understand > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- bubbles " ..... > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > connection/reflections > > > to > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > different dream. > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > dream? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you wake up > in > > the morning.... > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that " one " > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always busy.....and > > running.....and running.... > > don't know anything else > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > that there is nothing else than this endless running mind.... > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > knowledge.... > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and self.... > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who insist....that there > is > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be known..... > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > one know real Self..... > > or not.... > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless thoughts.....by > having > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That knowledge.... > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge can be > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > but it can't > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > Noel the entity who is reading is not the dream-bubble.....that you will read as " Marc " ..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that > you > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- > > > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you > wake > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > > > insist....that " one " > > > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always > > > busy.....and > > > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running > mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > > > > > knowledge.... > > > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and > self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > insist....that > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be > > > known..... > > > > > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless > thoughts.....by > > > > > having > > > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That > > > knowledge.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge > can > > > be > > > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is circular. > > > > > > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming > being > > > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > The question is circular to you toombaru. > > > > > > It seems to me everything is circular to you. > > > > > > My question assumes nothing. > > > > > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy > > philosophical treatises on it. > > > > My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the > > beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within > > dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a > kaleidescope. > > > > Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a > > dream, we fall in and out of. > > > > (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in > > another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or > > deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will > have > > shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.) > > > > ~*~ > > > > ~*~ > > > > " With relief, with humiliation, with terror, he understood that he > also was an illusion, that someone else was dreaming him. " > > Jorge Luis Borges > > ..bob lol this " someone else " .... " dreaming him " ....is only a dream there is nobody realy....dreaming anybody Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really reflections > > > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be necessary that > you > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about dream- > > > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a dream-bubble.... > > > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at least > > > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble pops > > > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to end...when you > wake > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > > > insist....that " one " > > > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is always > > > busy.....and > > > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless running > mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then there is > > > > > knowledge.... > > > > > > on how to make the difference between non-self...and > self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > insist....that > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never could be > > > known..... > > > > > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that one can > > > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless > thoughts.....by > > > > > having > > > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have That > > > knowledge.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That knowledge > can > > > be > > > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is circular. > > > > > > > > It assumes that there is a separate you that is not dreaming > being > > > > able to tell if it is...or is not dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you like it here better then in the summer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > The question is circular to you toombaru. > > > > > > It seems to me everything is circular to you. > > > > > > My question assumes nothing. > > > > > > I would really like an answer from someone who can think. > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > Yours is a question asked from time immemorial. Very very lengthy > > philosophical treatises on it. > > > > My answer is that one simply can't tell the difference. That's the > > beauty of our thrownness. We live within dreams wrapped within > > dreams, and we constantly shift in and out of them like a > kaleidescope. > > > > Knowing the difference between one dream and another, is itself a > > dream, we fall in and out of. > > > > (I " think " that's what Toombaru was saying. But then, he's off in > > another dream by now, and cannot be relied on to either confirm or > > deny this. By the time anyone reads this, the kaleidescope will > have > > shifted globally. Even I will have found this dream irrelebant.) > > > > ~*~ > > > > ~*~ > > > > There's dream-state dreaming and awake-state dreaming. As long as > you are asking these questions you are dreaming you are the > questioner. When all questions end you are awake. > > R. yes.... it's easy.... much easier than any dream could imagine.... 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " > > <noel_beau@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once there has been one of this > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flowing through the great Ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling the infinite ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and felt in love to It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then continue....to flow... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through this love.....all around.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which give existence of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infinite numbers..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of other.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream-bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Indra's Net? > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting.... > > > > > > never heared about... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all those infinite bubbles really > > reflections > > > > > > > of one bubble? > > > > > > > > > > > > to answer this question....it would be > > necessary that you > > > > > understand > > > > > > what i mean with a " dream-bubble " ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no... " one bubble " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > if you would read please the message " about > > dream- > > bubbles " ..... > > > > > > dream-bubbles are related to time and > > space..... > > > > > > > > > > > > but yes......the caracteristic of a > > dream-bubble.... > > > > > > is to see " other " dream bubbles.....and the > > > > connection/reflections > > > > > to > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it like for that " one bubble " to > > pop? > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean for a dream-bubble to pop....? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's the end of dream > > > > > > > > > > if someone dreams at night while sleeping and > > > > > then wakes up, they may still be dreaming, > > > > > but now in a perhaps " bigger dream " or at > > least > > > > > different dream. > > > > > > > > > > how do you know that when the dream-bubble > > pops > > > > > and it is the end of the dream, that it is not > > > > > still dreaming, just in a bigger or different > > > > > dream? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to know this..... > > > > > > > > just like you know that the dream come to > > end...when you wake up > > > in > > > > the morning.... > > > > > > > > ok...there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > > insist....that " one " > > > > never can know anything (about truth....)..... > > > > > > > > it's sure that a restless mind.....which is > > always busy.....and > > > > running.....and running.... > > > > don't know anything else > > > > > > > > and therefore insist....sometimes.... > > > > that there is nothing else than this endless > > running mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with the identification.... > > > > > > > > when the false identification disappear....then > > there is > > > knowledge.... > > > > on how to make the difference between > > non-self...and self.... > > > > > > > > ok ....there are entities (dream-bubbles) who > > insist....that > > there > > > is > > > > no real self.....and that the real self never > > could be known..... > > > > > > > > but this is....again......due to the fact.... > > > > > > > > of the never ending running....mind-machine.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two possibilites.... > > > > > > > > one know real Self..... > > > > or not.... > > > > > > > > the one who know....know he/she know.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: That " knowledge " is not the knowledge that > > one can > > > > accumulate....by reading books....by endless > > thoughts.....by > > > having > > > > great graduation and titles.....diplomas..... > > > > also a Phd is absolutely not necessary to have > > That knowledge.... > > > > > > > > ok....there are some people who think that That > > knowledge can be > > > > catched....outside....somewhere.... > > > > > > > > but it can't > > > > > > > > > > Just now...as you are reading... > > > how do you know you are or are not dreaming? > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > the entity who is reading is not the > > dream-bubble.....that you will > > read as " Marc " ..... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Yes... > > I like 'dream-bubble'. > > There are bubble solutions sold with little plastic > tools. One dips the tool into the bubble solution and > holds the tool up, blowing through the circular piece > of the tool and bubbles flow... > > Beautiful rainbow colored bubbles... > > reflecting each other... > > floating off... > > glistening in the sun... > > Yes, they burst, > > but they do not die... > > they are simply transformed. > > Noel > yes... i know this nice bubbles.... let's " read " some in here...... Marc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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