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The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

 

If there is a god then have people thought about the part god play in

the events of that day?

 

There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual means having

nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with the

ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see themselves

as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

 

And there are the practical minded people that think that the problem

can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of individuals

everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about the wrongs

of this world and then believe that things will change.

 

Individuals will change but the powers in the background remain constant

 

This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen as spam,

someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit their site,

or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone what the

spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all those

people died.

 

Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

 

The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people together,

but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by both the

politicians and the politicised political leaders.

 

The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

 

To see and understand what has been missed go to

 

www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

 

James

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " defsilg " <defsilg wrote:

>

>

> The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

>

> If there is a god then have people thought about the part god play

in

> the events of that day?

>

> There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual means

having

> nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with the

> ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see

themselves

> as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

>

> And there are the practical minded people that think that the

problem

> can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of individuals

> everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about the

wrongs

> of this world and then believe that things will change.

>

> Individuals will change but the powers in the background remain

constant

>

> This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen as

spam,

> someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit their

site,

> or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone what

the

> spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

> understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all

those

> people died.

>

> Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

>

> The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people

together,

> but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by both

the

> politicians and the politicised political leaders.

>

> The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

>

> To see and understand what has been missed go to

>

> www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

>

> James

>

Dearest James,

 

From the book:

 

" If someone caused you pain through misusing their power, you would

want god to teach them a lesson and show them

what their misuse of power has done to you and your family, and you

would want god to bring about pain in their lives so

that they could feel how you felt and suffer how you have suffered! "

 

The above sounds suspiciously like an 'eye for an eye'.

 

" An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind " MK Gandhi.

 

Those who know me, know I say THIS IS the spiritual world, inhabited

by humans, some acting with great compassion and understanding, some

acting from the ignorance of separation and even the ignorance of

thinking there is a spiritual world vs. a mundane world ie. a

spiritual person and an ordinary person, deluded or otherwise.

 

Until we get to the top and bottom of what causes conflict, war,

hate, prejudice, misery and isolation, which IMHO a condition

created by a thinking pattern of US and THEM. Eradicate that idea

and we don't ever have to kill anyone to protect and/or defend any

thought or thinker ever again.

 

Namaste,

Anna

 

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>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " defsilg " <defsilg@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

> >

> > If there is a god then have people thought about the part god play

> in

> > the events of that day?

> >

> > There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual means

> having

> > nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with the

> > ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see

> themselves

> > as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

> >

> > And there are the practical minded people that think that the

> problem

> > can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of individuals

> > everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about the

> wrongs

> > of this world and then believe that things will change.

> >

> > Individuals will change but the powers in the background remain

> constant

> >

> > This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen as

> spam,

> > someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit their

> site,

> > or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone what

> the

> > spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

> > understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all

> those

> > people died.

> >

> > Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

> >

> > The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people

> together,

> > but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by both

> the

> > politicians and the politicised political leaders.

> >

> > The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

> >

> > To see and understand what has been missed go to

> >

> > www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

> >

> > James

> >

> Dearest James,

>

> From the book:

>

> " If someone caused you pain through misusing their power, you would

> want god to teach them a lesson and show them

> what their misuse of power has done to you and your family, and you

> would want god to bring about pain in their lives so

> that they could feel how you felt and suffer how you have suffered! "

>

> The above sounds suspiciously like an 'eye for an eye'.

>

> " An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind " MK Gandhi.

>

> Those who know me, know I say THIS IS the spiritual world, inhabited

> by humans, some acting with great compassion and understanding, some

> acting from the ignorance of separation and even the ignorance of

> thinking there is a spiritual world vs. a mundane world ie. a

> spiritual person and an ordinary person, deluded or otherwise.

>

> Until we get to the top and bottom of what causes conflict, war,

> hate, prejudice, misery and isolation, which IMHO a condition

> created by a thinking pattern of US and THEM. Eradicate that idea

> and we don't ever have to kill anyone to protect and/or defend any

> thought or thinker ever again.

>

> Namaste,

> Anna

>

OK, lets do IT!

 

~*~

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " defsilg " <defsilg@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

> > >

> > > If there is a god then have people thought about the part god

play

> > in

> > > the events of that day?

> > >

> > > There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual

means

> > having

> > > nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with

the

> > > ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see

> > themselves

> > > as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

> > >

> > > And there are the practical minded people that think that the

> > problem

> > > can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of

individuals

> > > everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about

the

> > wrongs

> > > of this world and then believe that things will change.

> > >

> > > Individuals will change but the powers in the background

remain

> > constant

> > >

> > > This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen

as

> > spam,

> > > someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit

their

> > site,

> > > or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone

what

> > the

> > > spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

> > > understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all

> > those

> > > people died.

> > >

> > > Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

> > >

> > > The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people

> > together,

> > > but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by

both

> > the

> > > politicians and the politicised political leaders.

> > >

> > > The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

> > >

> > > To see and understand what has been missed go to

> > >

> > > www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

> > >

> > > James

> > >

> > Dearest James,

> >

> > From the book:

> >

> > " If someone caused you pain through misusing their power, you

would

> > want god to teach them a lesson and show them

> > what their misuse of power has done to you and your family, and

you

> > would want god to bring about pain in their lives so

> > that they could feel how you felt and suffer how you have

suffered! "

> >

> > The above sounds suspiciously like an 'eye for an eye'.

> >

> > " An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind " MK Gandhi.

> >

> > Those who know me, know I say THIS IS the spiritual world,

inhabited

> > by humans, some acting with great compassion and understanding,

some

> > acting from the ignorance of separation and even the ignorance

of

> > thinking there is a spiritual world vs. a mundane world ie. a

> > spiritual person and an ordinary person, deluded or otherwise.

> >

> > Until we get to the top and bottom of what causes conflict, war,

> > hate, prejudice, misery and isolation, which IMHO a condition

> > created by a thinking pattern of US and THEM. Eradicate that

idea

> > and we don't ever have to kill anyone to protect and/or defend

any

> > thought or thinker ever again.

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Anna

> >

> OK, lets do IT!

>

>

 

 

WE ~~**~~ Just have.

 

reminds me: ;-)

 

 

" Will you join in our crusade?

Who will be strong and stand with me?

Somewhere beyond the barricade is there a world you long to see?

Do you hear the people sing?

Say do you hear the distant drums?

It is the future that they bring when tomorrow comes! "

 

 

-Les Misérables, Act II Finale

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " defsilg " <defsilg@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

> >

> > If there is a god then have people thought about the part god play

> in

> > the events of that day?

> >

> > There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual means

> having

> > nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with the

> > ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see

> themselves

> > as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

> >

> > And there are the practical minded people that think that the

> problem

> > can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of individuals

> > everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about the

> wrongs

> > of this world and then believe that things will change.

> >

> > Individuals will change but the powers in the background remain

> constant

> >

> > This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen as

> spam,

> > someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit their

> site,

> > or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone what

> the

> > spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

> > understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all

> those

> > people died.

> >

> > Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

> >

> > The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people

> together,

> > but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by both

> the

> > politicians and the politicised political leaders.

> >

> > The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

> >

> > To see and understand what has been missed go to

> >

> > www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

> >

> > James

> >

> Dearest James,

>

> From the book:

>

> " If someone caused you pain through misusing their power, you would

> want god to teach them a lesson and show them

> what their misuse of power has done to you and your family, and you

> would want god to bring about pain in their lives so

> that they could feel how you felt and suffer how you have suffered! "

>

> The above sounds suspiciously like an 'eye for an eye'.

>

> " An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind " MK Gandhi.

>

> Those who know me, know I say THIS IS the spiritual world, inhabited

> by humans, some acting with great compassion and understanding, some

> acting from the ignorance of separation and even the ignorance of

> thinking there is a spiritual world vs. a mundane world ie. a

> spiritual person and an ordinary person, deluded or otherwise.

>

> Until we get to the top and bottom of what causes conflict, war,

> hate, prejudice, misery and isolation, which IMHO a condition

> created by a thinking pattern of US and THEM. Eradicate that idea

> and we don't ever have to kill anyone to protect and/or defend any

> thought or thinker ever again.

>

> Namaste,

> Anna

 

What causes conflict is wanting to believe there is something that

causes conflict, that we will eradicate.

 

Our desire to eradicate the false belief, is itself a false belief.

 

" Us " and " them " are alive and well, when believing there is an " us "

who being wonderfully aware knows about compassion, and a " them " who

ignorantly believes in an eye for an eye.

 

Any of " us " can turn into one of " them " the moment someone has the

intent to harm our child. As well we should.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " defsilg " <defsilg@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

> > >

> > > If there is a god then have people thought about the part god play

> > in

> > > the events of that day?

> > >

> > > There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual means

> > having

> > > nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with the

> > > ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see

> > themselves

> > > as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

> > >

> > > And there are the practical minded people that think that the

> > problem

> > > can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of individuals

> > > everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about the

> > wrongs

> > > of this world and then believe that things will change.

> > >

> > > Individuals will change but the powers in the background remain

> > constant

> > >

> > > This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen as

> > spam,

> > > someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit their

> > site,

> > > or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone what

> > the

> > > spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

> > > understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all

> > those

> > > people died.

> > >

> > > Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

> > >

> > > The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people

> > together,

> > > but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by both

> > the

> > > politicians and the politicised political leaders.

> > >

> > > The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

> > >

> > > To see and understand what has been missed go to

> > >

> > > www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

> > >

> > > James

> > >

> > Dearest James,

> >

> > From the book:

> >

> > " If someone caused you pain through misusing their power, you would

> > want god to teach them a lesson and show them

> > what their misuse of power has done to you and your family, and you

> > would want god to bring about pain in their lives so

> > that they could feel how you felt and suffer how you have suffered! "

> >

> > The above sounds suspiciously like an 'eye for an eye'.

> >

> > " An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind " MK Gandhi.

> >

> > Those who know me, know I say THIS IS the spiritual world, inhabited

> > by humans, some acting with great compassion and understanding, some

> > acting from the ignorance of separation and even the ignorance of

> > thinking there is a spiritual world vs. a mundane world ie. a

> > spiritual person and an ordinary person, deluded or otherwise.

> >

> > Until we get to the top and bottom of what causes conflict, war,

> > hate, prejudice, misery and isolation, which IMHO a condition

> > created by a thinking pattern of US and THEM. Eradicate that idea

> > and we don't ever have to kill anyone to protect and/or defend any

> > thought or thinker ever again.

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Anna

>

> What causes conflict is wanting to believe there is something that

> causes conflict, that we will eradicate.

>

> Our desire to eradicate the false belief, is itself a false belief.

>

> " Us " and " them " are alive and well, when believing there is an " us "

> who being wonderfully aware knows about compassion, and a " them " who

> ignorantly believes in an eye for an eye.

>

> Any of " us " can turn into one of " them " the moment someone has the

> intent to harm our child. As well we should.

>

> -- Dan

>

 

 

 

I don't want to harm any children.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " defsilg " <defsilg@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

> > >

> > > If there is a god then have people thought about the part god

play

> > in

> > > the events of that day?

> > >

> > > There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual

means

> > having

> > > nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with

the

> > > ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see

> > themselves

> > > as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

> > >

> > > And there are the practical minded people that think that the

> > problem

> > > can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of

individuals

> > > everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about

the

> > wrongs

> > > of this world and then believe that things will change.

> > >

> > > Individuals will change but the powers in the background

remain

> > constant

> > >

> > > This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen

as

> > spam,

> > > someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit

their

> > site,

> > > or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone

what

> > the

> > > spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

> > > understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all

> > those

> > > people died.

> > >

> > > Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

> > >

> > > The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people

> > together,

> > > but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by

both

> > the

> > > politicians and the politicised political leaders.

> > >

> > > The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

> > >

> > > To see and understand what has been missed go to

> > >

> > > www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

> > >

> > > James

> > >

> > Dearest James,

> >

> > From the book:

> >

> > " If someone caused you pain through misusing their power, you

would

> > want god to teach them a lesson and show them

> > what their misuse of power has done to you and your family, and

you

> > would want god to bring about pain in their lives so

> > that they could feel how you felt and suffer how you have

suffered! "

> >

> > The above sounds suspiciously like an 'eye for an eye'.

> >

> > " An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind " MK Gandhi.

> >

> > Those who know me, know I say THIS IS the spiritual world,

inhabited

> > by humans, some acting with great compassion and understanding,

some

> > acting from the ignorance of separation and even the ignorance

of

> > thinking there is a spiritual world vs. a mundane world ie. a

> > spiritual person and an ordinary person, deluded or otherwise.

> >

> > Until we get to the top and bottom of what causes conflict, war,

> > hate, prejudice, misery and isolation, which IMHO a condition

> > created by a thinking pattern of US and THEM. Eradicate that

idea

> > and we don't ever have to kill anyone to protect and/or defend

any

> > thought or thinker ever again.

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Anna

>

> What causes conflict is wanting to believe there is something that

> causes conflict, that we will eradicate.

>

> Our desire to eradicate the false belief, is itself a false belief.

>

> " Us " and " them " are alive and well, when believing there is an " us "

> who being wonderfully aware knows about compassion, and a " them "

who

> ignorantly believes in an eye for an eye.

>

> Any of " us " can turn into one of " them " the moment someone has the

> intent to harm our child. As well we should.

>

> -- Dan

>

 

Very good observation Dan, I have often said I would not want to

know what set of circumstances would turn me into what I now

consider inhuman treatment of one to another. Notwithstanding that

consideration, there is the fact, alive and well, of a mass scale

desire to annihilate for no other reason except judgments that have

been handed down from generation to generation. Perpetuated and

perpetrated ad infinitum.

 

I do not have issue with anyone for their race, colour, creed

national origin or social status. I would say the majority on this

list would concur, without any doubt.

 

Do you really think/believe/feel that what causes conflict is the

desire to change the IDEA of us and them --making someone into

Other -- to be less than (I'm talking here of world situations not

guru worship which is more than) what 'I' am IS what causes

conflict? That is what I address. Changing the idea that there is

us and them, and yes in a sense it is contradictory. Nothing is

smooth in its inception or transition.

 

Conflict is inherent in the word two, as long as two people are

alive, there will be 'conflict'. Look into our own homes, our

marriages, our siblings, our parents, our children. Plenty there.

 

However, there is a monumental difference between what goes on in a

loving nurturing home, the overcoming of conflict actually can and

does make a family member and the family itself a stronger unit.

 

There is no energy lost in the universe, however we view it.

 

There is a difference in propagating ancient wounds, or creating new

ones.

 

I am firm on this point.

 

Namaste,

Anna

 

p.s. until all humanity can say Namaste and truly know we are one

behind our faces and skins, we are doomed as a species.

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " defsilg " <defsilg@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The5th anniversary of 9/11 is will soon be here.

> > > >

> > > > If there is a god then have people thought about the part god

> play

> > > in

> > > > the events of that day?

> > > >

> > > > There are many spiritual people that think being spiritual

> means

> > > having

> > > > nothing to do with political thoughts and subjects, and with

> the

> > > > ordinary practical things that make the world work! They see

> > > themselves

> > > > as being above the mundane day to day things of this world.

> > > >

> > > > And there are the practical minded people that think that the

> > > problem

> > > > can be solved if as individuals and as a collection of

> individuals

> > > > everyone beavers away collecting facts and information about

> the

> > > wrongs

> > > > of this world and then believe that things will change.

> > > >

> > > > Individuals will change but the powers in the background

> remain

> > > constant

> > > >

> > > > This post below can be seen as 1 of 2 things, it can be seen

> as

> > > spam,

> > > > someone desperate to sell their book and have people visit

> their

> > > site,

> > > > or it can be seen as someone who is trying to show everyone

> what

> > > the

> > > > spiritual message of the events of 9/11 were so that people can

> > > > understand and come to terms as to why it happened and why all

> > > those

> > > > people died.

> > > >

> > > > Politics in the USA has become too divisive!

> > > >

> > > > The attacks on America on 9/11 for a short time brought people

> > > together,

> > > > but the unity of the people has been betrayed and misused by

> both

> > > the

> > > > politicians and the politicised political leaders.

> > > >

> > > > The spiritual message of 9/11 has been missed by all America!

> > > >

> > > > To see and understand what has been missed go to

> > > >

> > > > www.megsabwotrfaday.com <http://www.megsabwotrfaday.com/>

> > > >

> > > > James

> > > >

> > > Dearest James,

> > >

> > > From the book:

> > >

> > > " If someone caused you pain through misusing their power, you

> would

> > > want god to teach them a lesson and show them

> > > what their misuse of power has done to you and your family, and

> you

> > > would want god to bring about pain in their lives so

> > > that they could feel how you felt and suffer how you have

> suffered! "

> > >

> > > The above sounds suspiciously like an 'eye for an eye'.

> > >

> > > " An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind " MK Gandhi.

> > >

> > > Those who know me, know I say THIS IS the spiritual world,

> inhabited

> > > by humans, some acting with great compassion and understanding,

> some

> > > acting from the ignorance of separation and even the ignorance

> of

> > > thinking there is a spiritual world vs. a mundane world ie. a

> > > spiritual person and an ordinary person, deluded or otherwise.

> > >

> > > Until we get to the top and bottom of what causes conflict, war,

> > > hate, prejudice, misery and isolation, which IMHO a condition

> > > created by a thinking pattern of US and THEM. Eradicate that

> idea

> > > and we don't ever have to kill anyone to protect and/or defend

> any

> > > thought or thinker ever again.

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > > Anna

> >

> > What causes conflict is wanting to believe there is something that

> > causes conflict, that we will eradicate.

> >

> > Our desire to eradicate the false belief, is itself a false belief.

> >

> > " Us " and " them " are alive and well, when believing there is an " us "

> > who being wonderfully aware knows about compassion, and a " them "

> who

> > ignorantly believes in an eye for an eye.

> >

> > Any of " us " can turn into one of " them " the moment someone has the

> > intent to harm our child. As well we should.

> >

> > -- Dan

> >

>

> Very good observation Dan, I have often said I would not want to

> know what set of circumstances would turn me into what I now

> consider inhuman treatment of one to another. Notwithstanding that

> consideration, there is the fact, alive and well, of a mass scale

> desire to annihilate for no other reason except judgments that have

> been handed down from generation to generation. Perpetuated and

> perpetrated ad infinitum.

>

> I do not have issue with anyone for their race, colour, creed

> national origin or social status. I would say the majority on this

> list would concur, without any doubt.

>

> Do you really think/believe/feel that what causes conflict is the

> desire to change the IDEA of us and them --making someone into

> Other -- to be less than (I'm talking here of world situations not

> guru worship which is more than) what 'I' am IS what causes

> conflict? That is what I address. Changing the idea that there is

> us and them, and yes in a sense it is contradictory. Nothing is

> smooth in its inception or transition.

>

> Conflict is inherent in the word two, as long as two people are

> alive, there will be 'conflict'. Look into our own homes, our

> marriages, our siblings, our parents, our children. Plenty there.

>

> However, there is a monumental difference between what goes on in a

> loving nurturing home, the overcoming of conflict actually can and

> does make a family member and the family itself a stronger unit.

>

> There is no energy lost in the universe, however we view it.

>

> There is a difference in propagating ancient wounds, or creating new

> ones.

>

> I am firm on this point.

>

> Namaste,

> Anna

>

 

 

Being firm on a point can be painful.

 

 

:-O

^

 

 

 

toombaru

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>

> p.s. until all humanity can say Namaste and truly know we are one

> behind our faces and skins, we are doomed as a species.

>

We're doomed, no matter how you slice it, kiddo.

 

What's the dif between one eternity and another, anyway?

 

Ever heard of Darwin or Marx?

 

Never mind.

 

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

 

>

> Very good observation Dan, I have often said I would not want to

> know what set of circumstances would turn me into what I now

> consider inhuman treatment of one to another. Notwithstanding that

> consideration, there is the fact, alive and well, of a mass scale

> desire to annihilate for no other reason except judgments that have

> been handed down from generation to generation. Perpetuated and

> perpetrated ad infinitum.

>

> I do not have issue with anyone for their race, colour, creed

> national origin or social status. I would say the majority on this

> list would concur, without any doubt.

>

> Do you really think/believe/feel that what causes conflict is the

> desire to change the IDEA of us and them --making someone into

> Other -- to be less than (I'm talking here of world situations not

> guru worship which is more than) what 'I' am IS what causes

> conflict? That is what I address. Changing the idea that there is

> us and them, and yes in a sense it is contradictory. Nothing is

> smooth in its inception or transition.

>

> Conflict is inherent in the word two, as long as two people are

> alive, there will be 'conflict'. Look into our own homes, our

> marriages, our siblings, our parents, our children. Plenty there.

>

> However, there is a monumental difference between what goes on in a

> loving nurturing home, the overcoming of conflict actually can and

> does make a family member and the family itself a stronger unit.

>

> There is no energy lost in the universe, however we view it.

>

> There is a difference in propagating ancient wounds, or creating new

> ones.

>

> I am firm on this point.

>

> Namaste,

> Anna

>

> p.s. until all humanity can say Namaste and truly know we are one

> behind our faces and skins, we are doomed as a species.

 

Hi Anna -

 

I don't believe that changing the way people think from one way to

another is going to resolve the problem of interhuman conflict.

Because there will be conflict over who is to be the one with the

right recipe for the right change. And there will be conflict over

how to implement the change and who is doing it right.

 

Because people believe that they way they think determines their

reality, they are in the conflict between what they want to think,

what they do think, and the way things are that doesn't fit with what

they think.

 

So, thought can't be the basis for an end of conflict.

 

Putting " belief-energy " into thought, is how much human conflict gets

going, imo.

 

If we are or aren't doomed as a species, one who is aware of a scope

beyond the human species, won't view this issue (about " being doomed " )

the same as one who is imbedded in an existence confined to a

particular encapsulated human being.

 

In other words, what " makes us one human being " isn't a way of

thinking that certain human beings have. It is the scope of awareness

that transcends the human being, and forms the human being (and also

the ant, the air, the atom, the mountain), that is the *knowing/being*

that the human being isn't divided into an " us " part and a " them " part.

 

-- Dan

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