Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Namaste, First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and particularly lovelock. http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php? articleid=8329 Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to discount that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha. Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc. There is no difference between a human animal and an animal except in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get close to 80 or even more IQ. Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more compassion and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a human genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind. Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve moksha. There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never were un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God' and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as Nisargadatta says we are all essentially Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Namaste, > > First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and > particularly lovelock. > > http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php? > articleid=8329 > > Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to discount > that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less > bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha. > > Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc. > > There is no difference between a human animal and an animal except > in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many > humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get close > to 80 or even more IQ. > > Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more compassion > and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose > love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a human > genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind. > > Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve moksha. > There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never were > un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God' > and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as > Nisargadatta says we are all essentially Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony. > sorry about the long url here is tiny. http://tinyurl.com/pmvbr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Namaste, > > First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and > particularly lovelock. > > http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php? > articleid=8329 > > Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to discount > that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less > bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha. > > Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc. > > There is no difference between a human animal and an animal except > in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many > humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get close > to 80 or even more IQ. > > Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more compassion > and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose > love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a human > genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind. > > Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve moksha. > There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never were > un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God' > and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as > Nisargadatta says we are all essentially Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony. > Animals and Moksha, by Sri Ramakrishna --- ----------- >Fwd: [sri Ramakrishna] Animals and Moksha. >Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:21 +0100 (BST) Dear Friends, This subject reminds me of a cow, Lakshmi, in Sri Ramana Maharshi's Ashram. The saint was particularly fond of the cow and when the animal was in its death throes, he held its head on his lap and guided the soul to liberation. This was in the presence of many devotees. In Hinduism we find all Gods having an animal escort. Interestingly near Siva temples we find the presence of bulls and snakes, in tantric pithas we have dogs and near Ram temples we inevitably have monkeys. We know from the Jataka tales that Lord Buddha had to pass through many animal lives as well. In Orissa we have many substantiated tales of animal devotees. In front of the Jagannath temple at Puri, there used to reside a majestic bull which took no food except the Mahaprasad of Lord Jagannath. Devotees who knew the peculiarities of that bull (including myself) used to offer it pranam after coming out of the temple which the bull used to graciously accept with a nod of the head. When this bull died the people of Puri gave it a human funeral and all rites fit for a sincere devotee were performed. There is a tantric temple within the Jagannath temple premises. As non vegetarian prasad is not allowed within the temple, the prasad ceremony here is performed outside one of the gates of the temple. Just as the ceremony ends a single dog appears and partakes of the prasad. No other dog dares disturb this particular dog. This routine has continued since centuries without a break. Near Bhubaneswar a monkey used to regularly visit a hanuman temple. It used to take bath in a nearby tank and sit with folded hands before the deity. Whatever prasad the devotees gave it used to accumulate in a corner and used to feed on it only after the deity was offered its prasad. Needless to say this monkey too got a funeral befitting a human devotee. There is a vaishnav math, Radha Govinda Math, near Cuttack in Orissa. A dog used to reside in the temple premises and used to also attend the evening religious discourses. The founder of the math used to make sure that the dog never missed a discourse, claiming that the dog was a devotee and was going through an animal life. When the dog died its funeral rites were performed and brahmins were invited to the feast. The brahmins felt insulted and refused. However the math went ahead with the feast which was attended by thousands of dogs who seemed to appear out of nowhere, partook of the feast in a very disciplined manner and vanished after the feast. There is a devotee of this math, whom the math believes to be the reincarnation of the founder vaishnav. His name is Lokenath Baba and he still lives. He plays the flute very beautifully and dogs and cows gather around to listen to the flute. I did not believe this till I saw it with my own eyes. It is from this Baba that I learnt about many secret rites performed in the Jagannath temple. In South India we have the Pak****eertha where two pigeons appear every evening to partake of the prasad. They seem to come from a very long distance. In North India we have a temple dedicated to rats. Inspite of the teeming rat population in the temple and the town, there has never been a single case of rat plague anywhere even near the town. One also wonders what happened to Kalia, the favourite dog of Mahapurush Maharaj; the favourite cow of Raja Maharaj at Belur Math and also the many animal devotees that Swamiji had acquired during his last days. One also wonders what happened to the cat that Sri Ramakrishna fed while performing Puja at the Kali Temple of Dakshineswar. India abounds in such things and sometimes we feel that there is no distinct line between the human and animal devotees of the Lord. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and > > particularly lovelock. > > > > http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php? > > articleid=8329 > > > > Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to > discount > > that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less > > bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha. > > > > Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc. > > > > There is no difference between a human animal and an animal except > > in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many > > humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get > close > > to 80 or even more IQ. > > > > Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more > compassion > > and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose > > love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a human > > genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind. > > > > Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve > moksha. > > There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never > were > > un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God' > > and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as > > Nisargadatta says we are all essentially Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony. > > > Animals and Moksha, by Sri Ramakrishna > > - -- > ----------- > > >Fwd: [sri Ramakrishna] Animals and Moksha. > > > >Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:21 +0100 (BST) > > > Dear Friends, > > This subject reminds me of a cow, Lakshmi, in Sri Ramana Maharshi's > Ashram. The saint was particularly fond of the cow and when the > animal was in its death throes, he held its head on his lap and > guided the soul to liberation. This was in the presence of many > devotees. > > In Hinduism we find all Gods having an animal escort. Interestingly > near Siva temples we find the presence of bulls and snakes, in > tantric pithas we have dogs and near Ram temples we inevitably have > monkeys. > > We know from the Jataka tales that Lord Buddha had to pass through > many animal lives as well. > > In Orissa we have many substantiated tales of animal devotees. In > front of the Jagannath temple at Puri, there used to reside a > majestic bull which took no food except the Mahaprasad of Lord > Jagannath. Devotees who knew the peculiarities of that bull > (including myself) used to offer it pranam after coming out of the > temple which the bull used to graciously accept with a nod of the > head. When this bull died the people of Puri gave it a human funeral > and all rites fit for a sincere devotee were performed. > > There is a tantric temple within the Jagannath temple premises. As > non vegetarian prasad is not allowed within the temple, the prasad > ceremony here is performed outside one of the gates of the temple. > Just as the ceremony ends a single dog appears and partakes of the > prasad. No other dog dares disturb this particular dog. This routine > has continued since centuries without a break. > > Near Bhubaneswar a monkey used to regularly visit a hanuman temple. > It used to take bath in a nearby tank and sit with folded hands > before the deity. Whatever prasad the devotees gave it used to > accumulate in a corner and used to feed on it only after the deity > was offered its prasad. Needless to say this monkey too got a > funeral befitting a human devotee. > > There is a vaishnav math, Radha Govinda Math, near Cuttack in > Orissa. A dog used to reside in the temple premises and used to also > attend the evening religious discourses. The founder of the math > used to make sure that the dog never missed a discourse, claiming > that the dog was a devotee and was going through an animal life. > When the dog died its funeral rites were performed and brahmins were > invited to the feast. The brahmins felt insulted and refused. > However the math went ahead with the feast which was attended by > thousands of dogs who seemed to appear out of nowhere, partook of > the feast in a very disciplined manner and vanished after the feast. > There is a devotee of this math, whom the math believes to be the > reincarnation of the founder vaishnav. His name is Lokenath Baba and > he still lives. He plays the flute very beautifully and dogs and > cows gather around to listen to the flute. I did not believe this > till I saw it with my own eyes. It is from this Baba that I learnt > about > many secret rites performed in the Jagannath temple. > > In South India we have the Pak****eertha where two pigeons appear > every evening to partake of the prasad. They seem to come from a > very long distance. In North India we have a temple dedicated to > rats. Inspite of the teeming rat population in the temple and the > town, there has never been a single case of rat plague anywhere even > near the town. > > One also wonders what happened to Kalia, the favourite dog of > Mahapurush Maharaj; the favourite cow of Raja Maharaj at Belur Math > and also the many animal devotees that Swamiji had acquired during > his last days. One also wonders what happened to the cat that Sri > Ramakrishna fed while performing Puja at the Kali Temple of > Dakshineswar. > > India abounds in such things and sometimes we feel that there is no > distinct line between the human and animal devotees of the Lord. > > Regards, > Namaste and nice to see you again Tony, how are you? I love your insights. Especially the stories about animals. Interestingly in the U.S. there are many animal right groups very vehemently opposed to wearing animal fur, killing them on the open seas, and large fines abound by city, state or local courts for animal right abuses. My dog was and my cat is part of my family. Especially Miles, my dog. I wrote about him some time ago. My point is while I love and have great compassion for all animals, there is very little outcry here for the hundreds of thousands of human beings who are numbers on war, starvation, disease and 'natural' disastors (that may have been avoided, but for compassionate and intelligent decisions) tally sheets. We need to look at the whole picture of man's inhumanity to both man and all living creatures that are entrusted to us. We are the caretakers, the caregivers of this blue-green orb. Some say it is already too late. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and > > > particularly lovelock. > > > > > > http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php? > > > articleid=8329 > > > > > > Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to > > discount > > > that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less > > > bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha. > > > > > > Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc. > > > > > > There is no difference between a human animal and an animal > except > > > in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many > > > humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get > > close > > > to 80 or even more IQ. > > > > > > Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more > > compassion > > > and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose > > > love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a > human > > > genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind. > > > > > > Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve > > moksha. > > > There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never > > were > > > un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God' > > > and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as > > > Nisargadatta says we are all essentially > Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony. > > > > > Animals and Moksha, by Sri Ramakrishna > > > > - > -- > > ----------- > > > > >Fwd: [sri Ramakrishna] Animals and Moksha. > > > > > > >Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:21 +0100 (BST) > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > This subject reminds me of a cow, Lakshmi, in Sri Ramana > Maharshi's > > Ashram. The saint was particularly fond of the cow and when the > > animal was in its death throes, he held its head on his lap and > > guided the soul to liberation. This was in the presence of many > > devotees. > > > > In Hinduism we find all Gods having an animal escort. > Interestingly > > near Siva temples we find the presence of bulls and snakes, in > > tantric pithas we have dogs and near Ram temples we inevitably > have > > monkeys. > > > > We know from the Jataka tales that Lord Buddha had to pass through > > many animal lives as well. > > > > In Orissa we have many substantiated tales of animal devotees. In > > front of the Jagannath temple at Puri, there used to reside a > > majestic bull which took no food except the Mahaprasad of Lord > > Jagannath. Devotees who knew the peculiarities of that bull > > (including myself) used to offer it pranam after coming out of the > > temple which the bull used to graciously accept with a nod of the > > head. When this bull died the people of Puri gave it a human > funeral > > and all rites fit for a sincere devotee were performed. > > > > There is a tantric temple within the Jagannath temple premises. As > > non vegetarian prasad is not allowed within the temple, the prasad > > ceremony here is performed outside one of the gates of the temple. > > Just as the ceremony ends a single dog appears and partakes of the > > prasad. No other dog dares disturb this particular dog. This > routine > > has continued since centuries without a break. > > > > Near Bhubaneswar a monkey used to regularly visit a hanuman > temple. > > It used to take bath in a nearby tank and sit with folded hands > > before the deity. Whatever prasad the devotees gave it used to > > accumulate in a corner and used to feed on it only after the deity > > was offered its prasad. Needless to say this monkey too got a > > funeral befitting a human devotee. > > > > There is a vaishnav math, Radha Govinda Math, near Cuttack in > > Orissa. A dog used to reside in the temple premises and used to > also > > attend the evening religious discourses. The founder of the math > > used to make sure that the dog never missed a discourse, claiming > > that the dog was a devotee and was going through an animal life. > > When the dog died its funeral rites were performed and brahmins > were > > invited to the feast. The brahmins felt insulted and refused. > > However the math went ahead with the feast which was attended by > > thousands of dogs who seemed to appear out of nowhere, partook of > > the feast in a very disciplined manner and vanished after the > feast. > > There is a devotee of this math, whom the math believes to be the > > reincarnation of the founder vaishnav. His name is Lokenath Baba > and > > he still lives. He plays the flute very beautifully and dogs and > > cows gather around to listen to the flute. I did not believe this > > till I saw it with my own eyes. It is from this Baba that I learnt > > about > > many secret rites performed in the Jagannath temple. > > > > In South India we have the Pak****eertha where two pigeons appear > > every evening to partake of the prasad. They seem to come from a > > very long distance. In North India we have a temple dedicated to > > rats. Inspite of the teeming rat population in the temple and the > > town, there has never been a single case of rat plague anywhere > even > > near the town. > > > > One also wonders what happened to Kalia, the favourite dog of > > Mahapurush Maharaj; the favourite cow of Raja Maharaj at Belur > Math > > and also the many animal devotees that Swamiji had acquired during > > his last days. One also wonders what happened to the cat that Sri > > Ramakrishna fed while performing Puja at the Kali Temple of > > Dakshineswar. > > > > India abounds in such things and sometimes we feel that there is > no > > distinct line between the human and animal devotees of the Lord. > > > > Regards, > > > > > Namaste and nice to see you again Tony, how are you? > > I love your insights. Especially the stories about animals. > Interestingly in the U.S. there are many animal right groups > very vehemently opposed to wearing animal fur, killing them on the > open seas, and large fines abound by city, state or local courts for > animal right abuses. > > My dog was and my cat is part of my family. Especially Miles, my > dog. I wrote about him some time ago. > > My point is while I love and have great compassion for all animals, > there is very little outcry here for the hundreds of thousands of > human beings who are numbers on war, starvation, disease > and 'natural' disastors (that may have been avoided, but for > compassionate and intelligent decisions) tally sheets. > > We need to look at the whole picture of man's inhumanity to both man > and all living creatures that are entrusted to us. We are the > caretakers, the caregivers of this blue-green orb. done next? (-; ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and > > > particularly lovelock. > > > > > > http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php? > > > articleid=8329 > > > > > > Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to > > discount > > > that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less > > > bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha. > > > > > > Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc. > > > > > > There is no difference between a human animal and an animal > except > > > in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many > > > humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get > > close > > > to 80 or even more IQ. > > > > > > Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more > > compassion > > > and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose > > > love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a > human > > > genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind. > > > > > > Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve > > moksha. > > > There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never > > were > > > un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God' > > > and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as > > > Nisargadatta says we are all essentially > Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony. > > > > > Animals and Moksha, by Sri Ramakrishna > > > > - > -- > > ----------- > > > > >Fwd: [sri Ramakrishna] Animals and Moksha. > > > > > > >Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:21 +0100 (BST) > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > This subject reminds me of a cow, Lakshmi, in Sri Ramana > Maharshi's > > Ashram. The saint was particularly fond of the cow and when the > > animal was in its death throes, he held its head on his lap and > > guided the soul to liberation. This was in the presence of many > > devotees. > > > > In Hinduism we find all Gods having an animal escort. > Interestingly > > near Siva temples we find the presence of bulls and snakes, in > > tantric pithas we have dogs and near Ram temples we inevitably > have > > monkeys. > > > > We know from the Jataka tales that Lord Buddha had to pass through > > many animal lives as well. > > > > In Orissa we have many substantiated tales of animal devotees. In > > front of the Jagannath temple at Puri, there used to reside a > > majestic bull which took no food except the Mahaprasad of Lord > > Jagannath. Devotees who knew the peculiarities of that bull > > (including myself) used to offer it pranam after coming out of the > > temple which the bull used to graciously accept with a nod of the > > head. When this bull died the people of Puri gave it a human > funeral > > and all rites fit for a sincere devotee were performed. > > > > There is a tantric temple within the Jagannath temple premises. As > > non vegetarian prasad is not allowed within the temple, the prasad > > ceremony here is performed outside one of the gates of the temple. > > Just as the ceremony ends a single dog appears and partakes of the > > prasad. No other dog dares disturb this particular dog. This > routine > > has continued since centuries without a break. > > > > Near Bhubaneswar a monkey used to regularly visit a hanuman > temple. > > It used to take bath in a nearby tank and sit with folded hands > > before the deity. Whatever prasad the devotees gave it used to > > accumulate in a corner and used to feed on it only after the deity > > was offered its prasad. Needless to say this monkey too got a > > funeral befitting a human devotee. > > > > There is a vaishnav math, Radha Govinda Math, near Cuttack in > > Orissa. A dog used to reside in the temple premises and used to > also > > attend the evening religious discourses. The founder of the math > > used to make sure that the dog never missed a discourse, claiming > > that the dog was a devotee and was going through an animal life. > > When the dog died its funeral rites were performed and brahmins > were > > invited to the feast. The brahmins felt insulted and refused. > > However the math went ahead with the feast which was attended by > > thousands of dogs who seemed to appear out of nowhere, partook of > > the feast in a very disciplined manner and vanished after the > feast. > > There is a devotee of this math, whom the math believes to be the > > reincarnation of the founder vaishnav. His name is Lokenath Baba > and > > he still lives. He plays the flute very beautifully and dogs and > > cows gather around to listen to the flute. I did not believe this > > till I saw it with my own eyes. It is from this Baba that I learnt > > about > > many secret rites performed in the Jagannath temple. > > > > In South India we have the Pak****eertha where two pigeons appear > > every evening to partake of the prasad. They seem to come from a > > very long distance. In North India we have a temple dedicated to > > rats. Inspite of the teeming rat population in the temple and the > > town, there has never been a single case of rat plague anywhere > even > > near the town. > > > > One also wonders what happened to Kalia, the favourite dog of > > Mahapurush Maharaj; the favourite cow of Raja Maharaj at Belur > Math > > and also the many animal devotees that Swamiji had acquired during > > his last days. One also wonders what happened to the cat that Sri > > Ramakrishna fed while performing Puja at the Kali Temple of > > Dakshineswar. > > > > India abounds in such things and sometimes we feel that there is > no > > distinct line between the human and animal devotees of the Lord. > > > > Regards, > > > > > Namaste and nice to see you again Tony, how are you? > > I love your insights. Especially the stories about animals. > Interestingly in the U.S. there are many animal right groups > very vehemently opposed to wearing animal fur, killing them on the > open seas, and large fines abound by city, state or local courts for > animal right abuses. > > My dog was and my cat is part of my family. Especially Miles, my > dog. I wrote about him some time ago. > > My point is while I love and have great compassion for all animals, > there is very little outcry here for the hundreds of thousands of > human beings who are numbers on war, starvation, disease > and 'natural' disastors (that may have been avoided, but for > compassionate and intelligent decisions) tally sheets. > > We need to look at the whole picture of man's inhumanity to both man > and all living creatures that are entrusted to us. We are the > caretakers, the caregivers of this blue-green orb. > > Some say it is already too late. > > Anna > On a deeper level......animals are woven into mythology to represent the natural-mind. It is the thinking mind that binds the mind of man to its imaginary imprisonment. It is the thinking mind that can lead to the door that opens to freedom. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > First of all I got my info on depopulation from scientists and > > > > particularly lovelock. > > > > > > > > http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php? > > > > articleid=8329 > > > > > > > > Most say there is a ten year opportunity, Lovelock seem to > > > discount > > > > that. This has spiritual ramifications, for there will be less > > > > bodies for the opportunity to attain moksha. > > > > > > > > Secondly with regard to will animals vasanas etc. > > > > > > > > There is no difference between a human animal and an animal > > except > > > > in the development of the vijnamayakosa to certain degrees. Many > > > > humans have IQs of less than 100, and worse. Many animals get > > > close > > > > to 80 or even more IQ. > > > > > > > > Animals due to a lack of a fully developed ego have more > > > compassion > > > > and Sakti than humans do, in many circumstances. An animal whose > > > > love is developed enough to become Love has achieved what a > > human > > > > genius has missed in his intellectual merry go round of mind. > > > > > > > > Let us not assume that a human mind is required to achieve > > > moksha. > > > > There are only two requisites for moksha...1. Realise we never > > > were > > > > un-liberated....Who am I?...and 2. Become Love for love is 'God' > > > > and 'God' is love.....an animal can do this.....Who am I?. or as > > > > Nisargadatta says we are all essentially > > Praneaswara.....ONS..Tony. > > > > > > > Animals and Moksha, by Sri Ramakrishna > > > > > > - > > -- > > > ----------- > > > > > > >Fwd: [sri Ramakrishna] Animals and Moksha. > > > > > > > > > >Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:49:21 +0100 (BST) > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > This subject reminds me of a cow, Lakshmi, in Sri Ramana > > Maharshi's > > > Ashram. The saint was particularly fond of the cow and when the > > > animal was in its death throes, he held its head on his lap and > > > guided the soul to liberation. This was in the presence of many > > > devotees. > > > > > > In Hinduism we find all Gods having an animal escort. > > Interestingly > > > near Siva temples we find the presence of bulls and snakes, in > > > tantric pithas we have dogs and near Ram temples we inevitably > > have > > > monkeys. > > > > > > We know from the Jataka tales that Lord Buddha had to pass through > > > many animal lives as well. > > > > > > In Orissa we have many substantiated tales of animal devotees. In > > > front of the Jagannath temple at Puri, there used to reside a > > > majestic bull which took no food except the Mahaprasad of Lord > > > Jagannath. Devotees who knew the peculiarities of that bull > > > (including myself) used to offer it pranam after coming out of the > > > temple which the bull used to graciously accept with a nod of the > > > head. When this bull died the people of Puri gave it a human > > funeral > > > and all rites fit for a sincere devotee were performed. > > > > > > There is a tantric temple within the Jagannath temple premises. As > > > non vegetarian prasad is not allowed within the temple, the prasad > > > ceremony here is performed outside one of the gates of the temple. > > > Just as the ceremony ends a single dog appears and partakes of the > > > prasad. No other dog dares disturb this particular dog. This > > routine > > > has continued since centuries without a break. > > > > > > Near Bhubaneswar a monkey used to regularly visit a hanuman > > temple. > > > It used to take bath in a nearby tank and sit with folded hands > > > before the deity. Whatever prasad the devotees gave it used to > > > accumulate in a corner and used to feed on it only after the deity > > > was offered its prasad. Needless to say this monkey too got a > > > funeral befitting a human devotee. > > > > > > There is a vaishnav math, Radha Govinda Math, near Cuttack in > > > Orissa. A dog used to reside in the temple premises and used to > > also > > > attend the evening religious discourses. The founder of the math > > > used to make sure that the dog never missed a discourse, claiming > > > that the dog was a devotee and was going through an animal life. > > > When the dog died its funeral rites were performed and brahmins > > were > > > invited to the feast. The brahmins felt insulted and refused. > > > However the math went ahead with the feast which was attended by > > > thousands of dogs who seemed to appear out of nowhere, partook of > > > the feast in a very disciplined manner and vanished after the > > feast. > > > There is a devotee of this math, whom the math believes to be the > > > reincarnation of the founder vaishnav. His name is Lokenath Baba > > and > > > he still lives. He plays the flute very beautifully and dogs and > > > cows gather around to listen to the flute. I did not believe this > > > till I saw it with my own eyes. It is from this Baba that I learnt > > > about > > > many secret rites performed in the Jagannath temple. > > > > > > In South India we have the Pak****eertha where two pigeons appear > > > every evening to partake of the prasad. They seem to come from a > > > very long distance. In North India we have a temple dedicated to > > > rats. Inspite of the teeming rat population in the temple and the > > > town, there has never been a single case of rat plague anywhere > > even > > > near the town. > > > > > > One also wonders what happened to Kalia, the favourite dog of > > > Mahapurush Maharaj; the favourite cow of Raja Maharaj at Belur > > Math > > > and also the many animal devotees that Swamiji had acquired during > > > his last days. One also wonders what happened to the cat that Sri > > > Ramakrishna fed while performing Puja at the Kali Temple of > > > Dakshineswar. > > > > > > India abounds in such things and sometimes we feel that there is > > no > > > distinct line between the human and animal devotees of the Lord. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Namaste and nice to see you again Tony, how are you? > > > > I love your insights. Especially the stories about animals. > > Interestingly in the U.S. there are many animal right groups > > very vehemently opposed to wearing animal fur, killing them on the > > open seas, and large fines abound by city, state or local courts for > > animal right abuses. > > > > My dog was and my cat is part of my family. Especially Miles, my > > dog. I wrote about him some time ago. > > > > My point is while I love and have great compassion for all animals, > > there is very little outcry here for the hundreds of thousands of > > human beings who are numbers on war, starvation, disease > > and 'natural' disastors (that may have been avoided, but for > > compassionate and intelligent decisions) tally sheets. > > > > We need to look at the whole picture of man's inhumanity to both man > > and all living creatures that are entrusted to us. We are the > > caretakers, the caregivers of this blue-green orb. > > > > Some say it is already too late. > > > > Anna > > > > > > On a deeper level......animals are woven into mythology to represent > the natural-mind. > > It is the thinking mind that binds the mind of man to its imaginary > imprisonment. > > It is the thinking mind that can lead to the door that opens to freedom. > > > toombaru > Precondition is..... .......perdition. Freedom is ...... slavery. (....meaninglessness.......nominal........or adjectival ..........is meaningless........) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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