Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and it has transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself in the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and hope that there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last bits of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if you know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate the advice. Chaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth wrote: > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and it has > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself in > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and hope that > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last bits > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if you > know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate the > advice. > Chaz > Chaz, Very few people ever cross paths with Nisargadatta. And of those few.....very few stick around for very long. For those very few.......reading Nisargadatta is like drinking nectar. When I first came across " I Am That " (in Barnes & Noble of all places...LOL).....I got dizzy and had to sit down. I wore out the first copy and wound up underlining almost every word that he spoke...:-) Over the next several years, I read everything that I could find that was written by and about him. It seems to me that once you start down this river......the right person.....the right book......the right ideas start to flow softly into your personal experience. I salute you sir, and welcome aboard. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 When I started learning about the essence of non-existence and all that, I used to talk to an imaginery teacher, my mirror. Since you already have a schizoaffective disorder, you might want to try mirror-speaking, I can strongly recommend it, and if it ever gets too much, just call the ambulance. ch Chaz <liventruth wrote: I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and it has transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself in the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and hope that there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last bits of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if you know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate the advice. Chaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth wrote: > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and it has > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself in > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and hope that > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last bits > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if you > know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate the > advice. > Chaz > hi chaz... it seems that the mind says that there is something wrong with the mind ....that there is something that needs to be fixed...right ? ....as long as you try to fix what appears as a disorder ....you actuly sustain what appears to be a disorder ....you take the mind to be your master ....as long as you focus on the mind...you make the mind the king... ....and this making the mind the king is the only mistake... ....and from this you take yourself to be what you are not... ....only let openness itself (your real nature) let the mind run ....to the west or to the east or wherever it runs ....nothing is wrong with that... ....the mind will tell you that this running to far is wrong somehow ....that it needs to be helped to stay in a special way... ....but all judging is made by the mind only...never by openness ....and if you take the judging mind to be the king... ....then that king will make your life a battlefield... ....openness by nature is welcoming and loving... ....the mind is loved just the way it is or the way it runs... ....and the judging part of the mind is given full love... ....openness never judge...never fix anything... ....it is only open ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Q) Can’t we reach the goal through spiritual effort without Guru? What is the difference between Sadhana and Upasana? A) Sadhana means attaining the grace of the Lord in human form by serving Him. Upasana is attaining something, which is very much near and similar to the Lord. In Upasana you cannot serve the Lord. Upa means near. Asana means attainment. In Upasana you can understand the nature of the Lord through a model (Prateeka), which has some similarity with the Lord. Veda says that the Sun or the mind etc., should be meditated as the Lord (Adityam Brahmeti Upaseeta, Tam Mana Iti Upaseeta). The Sun removes the darkness as the Lord removes the ignorance. The mind creates several forms in dream as the Lord creates several forms in the world. The Sun and the mind are only the models to understand the Lord. When you meditate upon the Sun and the mind you can only understand the nature of the Lord. But you cannot serve the Lord. Hanuman meditated upon the Sun and understood the nature of the Lord. Then He met Lord Rama and served Him. Therefore Sadhana is greater than Upasana. Upasana is the beginning stage and Sadhana is the final stage. Sadhana (Spiritual effort) without Guru is like a blind bull running in the field through out the night and was unable to reach the village since the farmer guide is not associated with it. Guru means He who removes the ignorance and shows the right path. Without Guru you will be wasting lot of energy and lot of time without reaching the goal. If you recognize the Lord in human form and serve Him like Hanuman and Gopikas you can attain the highest fruit. All this is known only through the preaching of the Guru. If you are serving the statues you will end in misery only like Tyagaraja. The blind bull spends all its energy through out the night without any use. Had it been in the hand of a guide it could have reached the village in ten minutes by spending very little energy in walking. (Swami sang the following song spontaneously here). Oh! Blind horse! – Hear the Guru | You don’t see the way – But you are running with vigor || How many wives – How many husbands – How many Sons and How many daughters ---- You had for the past millions of births! Don’t be trapped by the sweet words and sweet love of these family members | They are your real enemies in your Sadhana--You have stolen their money in the previous birth and they have come now to get it from you with interest || They have come not only to collect their loans – but also to revenge upon you--By spoiling your Sadhana || Your energy and time are limited – they cannot save you when the death attacks you | They will leave you after their revenge--They have come to you for food and shelter – Help them as per your duty | But be brief with them without wasting time and energy || Hear Me, See Me, Speak about Me and Think about Me only | Your senses caught by these bonds will not allow you to come to Me-----The blind bull ran and ran through out the night and was in the field only----It was dissociated from the guide – Therefore catch the Guru at once || Holy Jesus told in the Bible that if one does not hate his family members he cannot become His disciple. I am explaining the reason of His statement. Your family attracts you by love and becomes an obstacle for your love on the Lord. Guru is very important in Sadhana. Nobody is more than Guru (Na Guroradhikam, Guru Saakshat Para Brahma). You must not limit the service by serving the Guru personally only. You must digest His preaching. Can you pass the examination if you have paid the fees regularly to the teacher? But today the Guru is concentrating on the fees but not on the student. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Q) Can't we reach the goal through spiritual effort without Guru? What is the difference between Sadhana and Upasana? > A) Sadhana means attaining the grace of the Lord in human form by serving Him. Upasana is attaining something, which is very much near and similar to the Lord. In Upasana you cannot serve the Lord. Upa means near. Asana means attainment. In Upasana you can understand the nature of the Lord through a model (Prateeka), which has some similarity with the Lord. Veda says that the Sun or the mind etc., should be meditated as the Lord (Adityam Brahmeti Upaseeta, Tam Mana Iti Upaseeta). The Sun removes the darkness as the Lord removes the ignorance. The mind creates several forms in dream as the Lord creates several forms in the world. The Sun and the mind are only the models to understand the Lord. When you meditate upon the Sun and the mind you can only understand the nature of the Lord. But you cannot serve the Lord. Hanuman meditated upon the Sun and understood the nature of the Lord. Then He met Lord Rama and served Him. Therefore Sadhana is greater than Upasana. Upasana is > the beginning stage and Sadhana is the final stage. > > Sadhana (Spiritual effort) without Guru is like a blind bull running in the field through out the night and was unable to reach the village since the farmer guide is not associated with it. Guru means He who removes the ignorance and shows the right path. Without Guru you will be wasting lot of energy and lot of time without reaching the goal. If you recognize the Lord in human form and serve Him like Hanuman and Gopikas you can attain the highest fruit. All this is known only through the preaching of the Guru. If you are serving the statues you will end in misery only like Tyagaraja. The blind bull spends all its energy through out the night without any use. Had it been in the hand of a guide it could have reached the village in ten minutes by spending very little energy in walking. (Swami sang the following song spontaneously here). > > Oh! Blind horse! – Hear the Guru | > You don't see the way – But you are running with vigor || > How many wives – How many husbands – How many Sons and How many daughters ---- You had for the past millions of births! > Don't be trapped by the sweet words and sweet love of these family members | > They are your real enemies in your Sadhana--You have stolen their money in the previous birth and they have come now to get it from you with interest || > They have come not only to collect their loans – but also to revenge upon you--By spoiling your Sadhana || > Your energy and time are limited – they cannot save you when the death attacks you | > They will leave you after their revenge--They have come to you for food and shelter – Help them as per your duty | > But be brief with them without wasting time and energy || > Hear Me, See Me, Speak about Me and Think about Me only | > Your senses caught by these bonds will not allow you to come to Me-----The blind bull ran and ran through out the night and was in the field only----It was dissociated from the guide – Therefore catch the Guru at once || > > Holy Jesus told in the Bible that if one does not hate his family members he cannot become His disciple. I am explaining the reason of His statement. Your family attracts you by love and becomes an obstacle for your love on the Lord. Guru is very important in Sadhana. Nobody is more than Guru (Na Guroradhikam, Guru Saakshat Para Brahma). You must not limit the service by serving the Guru personally only. You must digest His preaching. Can you pass the examination if you have paid the fees regularly to the teacher? But today the Guru is concentrating on the fees but not on the student. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > ......so speaks another family member.......... ..................and another....... and another................. .......a thousand monkey family members....fussing, fussing, fussing......release the mind, let the monkeys go....and be merely open...... .........iietsa.. and another family member: ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > Q) Can't we reach the goal through spiritual effort without Guru? > What is the difference between Sadhana and Upasana? > > A) Sadhana means attaining the grace of the Lord in human form by > serving Him. Upasana is attaining something, which is very much near > and similar to the Lord. In Upasana you cannot serve the Lord. Upa > means near. Asana means attainment. In Upasana you can understand the > nature of the Lord through a model (Prateeka), which has some > similarity with the Lord. Veda says that the Sun or the mind etc., > should be meditated as the Lord (Adityam Brahmeti Upaseeta, Tam Mana > Iti Upaseeta). The Sun removes the darkness as the Lord removes the > ignorance. The mind creates several forms in dream as the Lord creates > several forms in the world. The Sun and the mind are only the models > to understand the Lord. When you meditate upon the Sun and the mind > you can only understand the nature of the Lord. But you cannot serve > the Lord. Hanuman meditated upon the Sun and understood the nature of > the Lord. Then He met Lord Rama and served Him. Therefore Sadhana is > greater than Upasana. Upasana is > > the beginning stage and Sadhana is the final stage. > > > > Sadhana (Spiritual effort) without Guru is like a blind bull > running in the field through out the night and was unable to reach the > village since the farmer guide is not associated with it. Guru means > He who removes the ignorance and shows the right path. Without Guru > you will be wasting lot of energy and lot of time without reaching the > goal. If you recognize the Lord in human form and serve Him like > Hanuman and Gopikas you can attain the highest fruit. All this is > known only through the preaching of the Guru. If you are serving the > statues you will end in misery only like Tyagaraja. The blind bull > spends all its energy through out the night without any use. Had it > been in the hand of a guide it could have reached the village in ten > minutes by spending very little energy in walking. (Swami sang the > following song spontaneously here). > > > > Oh! Blind horse! – Hear the Guru | > > You don't see the way – But you are running with vigor || > > How many wives – How many husbands – How many Sons and How many > daughters ---- You had for the past millions of births! > > Don't be trapped by the sweet words and sweet love of these family > members | > > They are your real enemies in your Sadhana--You have stolen their > money in the previous birth and they have come now to get it from you > with interest || > > They have come not only to collect their loans – but also to > revenge upon you--By spoiling your Sadhana || > > Your energy and time are limited – they cannot save you when the > death attacks you | > > They will leave you after their revenge--They have come to you for > food and shelter – Help them as per your duty | > > But be brief with them without wasting time and energy || > > Hear Me, See Me, Speak about Me and Think about Me only | > > Your senses caught by these bonds will not allow you to come to > Me-----The blind bull ran and ran through out the night and was in the > field only----It was dissociated from the guide – Therefore catch the > Guru at once || > > > > Holy Jesus told in the Bible that if one does not hate his family > members he cannot become His disciple. I am explaining the reason of > His statement. Your family attracts you by love and becomes an > obstacle for your love on the Lord. Guru is very important in Sadhana. > Nobody is more than Guru (Na Guroradhikam, Guru Saakshat Para Brahma). > You must not limit the service by serving the Guru personally only. > You must digest His preaching. Can you pass the examination if you > have paid the fees regularly to the teacher? But today the Guru is > concentrating on the fees but not on the student. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > .....so speaks another family member.......... > > .................and another....... and another................. > > ......a thousand monkey family members....fussing, fussing, > fussing......release the mind, let the monkeys go....and be merely > open...... > > ........iietsa.. > > and > > another family member: > > ~*~ > you are welcome to use " iietsa " as your identity-name if you like ....but whats the point really ? ....what are you fishing for honestly ? ....millions of persons are trying to explain what jesus or buddha said twothousand years ago... ....are you trying to say what iietsa says...is that it ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth@> wrote: > > > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and it > has > > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself in > > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and hope > that > > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last > bits > > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if you > > know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate the > > advice. > > Chaz > > > > hi chaz... > it seems that the mind says that there is something wrong with the mind > ...that there is something that needs to be fixed...right ? > > ...as long as you try to fix what appears as a disorder > ...you actuly sustain what appears to be a disorder > ...you take the mind to be your master > ...as long as you focus on the mind...you make the mind the king... > > ...and this making the mind the king is the only mistake... > ...and from this you take yourself to be what you are not... > > ...only let openness itself (your real nature) let the mind run > ...to the west or to the east or wherever it runs > ...nothing is wrong with that... > ...the mind will tell you that this running to far is wrong somehow > ...that it needs to be helped to stay in a special way... > ...but all judging is made by the mind only...never by openness > ...and if you take the judging mind to be the king... > ...then that king will make your life a battlefield... > ...openness by nature is welcoming and loving... > ...the mind is loved just the way it is or the way it runs... > ...and the judging part of the mind is given full love... > ...openness never judge...never fix anything... > ...it is only open > > ...iietsa > Chaz, " to thine own self be true. " Live from your heart, Love from your heart and you will always be yourself. Sorry, nothing else you can or should do except practice being yourself with lovingkindness--compassion. Hugs, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > > > Q) Can't we reach the goal through spiritual effort without Guru? > > What is the difference between Sadhana and Upasana? > > > A) Sadhana means attaining the grace of the Lord in human form > by > > serving Him. Upasana is attaining something, which is very much > near > > and similar to the Lord. In Upasana you cannot serve the Lord. Upa > > means near. Asana means attainment. In Upasana you can understand > the > > nature of the Lord through a model (Prateeka), which has some > > similarity with the Lord. Veda says that the Sun or the mind etc., > > should be meditated as the Lord (Adityam Brahmeti Upaseeta, Tam > Mana > > Iti Upaseeta). The Sun removes the darkness as the Lord removes the > > ignorance. The mind creates several forms in dream as the Lord > creates > > several forms in the world. The Sun and the mind are only the > models > > to understand the Lord. When you meditate upon the Sun and the mind > > you can only understand the nature of the Lord. But you cannot > serve > > the Lord. Hanuman meditated upon the Sun and understood the nature > of > > the Lord. Then He met Lord Rama and served Him. Therefore Sadhana > is > > greater than Upasana. Upasana is > > > the beginning stage and Sadhana is the final stage. > > > > > > Sadhana (Spiritual effort) without Guru is like a blind bull > > running in the field through out the night and was unable to reach > the > > village since the farmer guide is not associated with it. Guru > means > > He who removes the ignorance and shows the right path. Without Guru > > you will be wasting lot of energy and lot of time without reaching > the > > goal. If you recognize the Lord in human form and serve Him like > > Hanuman and Gopikas you can attain the highest fruit. All this is > > known only through the preaching of the Guru. If you are serving > the > > statues you will end in misery only like Tyagaraja. The blind bull > > spends all its energy through out the night without any use. Had it > > been in the hand of a guide it could have reached the village in > ten > > minutes by spending very little energy in walking. (Swami sang the > > following song spontaneously here). > > > > > > Oh! Blind horse! – Hear the Guru | > > > You don't see the way – But you are running with vigor || > > > How many wives – How many husbands – How many Sons and How many > > daughters ---- You had for the past millions of births! > > > Don't be trapped by the sweet words and sweet love of these > family > > members | > > > They are your real enemies in your Sadhana--You have stolen > their > > money in the previous birth and they have come now to get it from > you > > with interest || > > > They have come not only to collect their loans – but also to > > revenge upon you--By spoiling your Sadhana || > > > Your energy and time are limited – they cannot save you when > the > > death attacks you | > > > They will leave you after their revenge--They have come to you > for > > food and shelter – Help them as per your duty | > > > But be brief with them without wasting time and energy || > > > Hear Me, See Me, Speak about Me and Think about Me only | > > > Your senses caught by these bonds will not allow you to come to > > Me-----The blind bull ran and ran through out the night and was in > the > > field only----It was dissociated from the guide – Therefore catch > the > > Guru at once || > > > > > > Holy Jesus told in the Bible that if one does not hate his > family > > members he cannot become His disciple. I am explaining the reason > of > > His statement. Your family attracts you by love and becomes an > > obstacle for your love on the Lord. Guru is very important in > Sadhana. > > Nobody is more than Guru (Na Guroradhikam, Guru Saakshat Para > Brahma). > > You must not limit the service by serving the Guru personally only. > > You must digest His preaching. Can you pass the examination if you > > have paid the fees regularly to the teacher? But today the Guru is > > concentrating on the fees but not on the student. > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > surya > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > .....so speaks another family member.......... > > > > .................and another....... and another................. > > > > ......a thousand monkey family members....fussing, fussing, > > fussing......release the mind, let the monkeys go....and be merely > > open...... > > > > ........iietsa.. > > > > and > > > > another family member: > > > > ~*~ > > > you are welcome to use " iietsa " as your identity-name if you like > ...but whats the point really ? > ...what are you fishing for honestly ? > ...millions of persons are trying to explain what jesus or buddha > said twothousand years ago... > ...are you trying to say what iietsa says...is that it ? > ...iietsa > Two answers, just for you, my lovely (with all due respect, not a diminutive) iietsa, one poetic, the other prosaic. Poetic: there is no iietsa, no Buddha, no point, no fishing, no trying to say. There is only... .........being Prosaic: Since I've been reading your emanations, I've absorbed what feels like their spirit. A spirit of purity and liberation, of love and abundance, of serenity and of light. So, when I read something that makes me go, " oh, it feels as though iietsa would say something like this to that, " I just let my fingers feel as I feel it would feel to be you saying what ...... You get the point. Plus, there seems to be a theme on this list of freedom from identity. And so, seems to me that that freedom includes freedom from any attachment to any one name, identity or another. Why not play with the identities that are constantly flowing through us? I can't offer your message better than you can. But I'm not always as good at offering a message in my own words, necessarily, either. But when I surrender to being someone else, there's a kind of magic that happens for me. It's fun. So, I'm not " trying " anything, I am " letting, opening, watching. " Any more questions, our delectable iietsa? ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth@> wrote: > > > > > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and > it > > has > > > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself > in > > > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and > hope > > that > > > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last > > bits > > > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if > you > > > know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate > the > > > advice. > > > Chaz > > > > > > > hi chaz... > > it seems that the mind says that there is something wrong with the > mind > > ...that there is something that needs to be fixed...right ? > > > > ...as long as you try to fix what appears as a disorder > > ...you actuly sustain what appears to be a disorder > > ...you take the mind to be your master > > ...as long as you focus on the mind...you make the mind the king... > > > > ...and this making the mind the king is the only mistake... > > ...and from this you take yourself to be what you are not... > > > > ...only let openness itself (your real nature) let the mind run > > ...to the west or to the east or wherever it runs > > ...nothing is wrong with that... > > ...the mind will tell you that this running to far is wrong somehow > > ...that it needs to be helped to stay in a special way... > > ...but all judging is made by the mind only...never by openness > > ...and if you take the judging mind to be the king... > > ...then that king will make your life a battlefield... > > ...openness by nature is welcoming and loving... > > ...the mind is loved just the way it is or the way it runs... > > ...and the judging part of the mind is given full love... > > ...openness never judge...never fix anything... > > ...it is only open > > > > ...iietsa > > > > Chaz, > > " to thine own self be true. " > > Live from your heart, Love from your heart and you will always be > yourself. Sorry, nothing else you can or should do except practice > being yourself with lovingkindness--compassion. > > Hugs, > Anna > Within the edgeless fluidity.......nothing can ever 'be itself'. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and > > it > > > has > > > > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself > > in > > > > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and > > hope > > > that > > > > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last > > > bits > > > > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if > > you > > > > know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate > > the > > > > advice. > > > > Chaz > > > > > > > > > > hi chaz... > > > it seems that the mind says that there is something wrong with the > > mind > > > ...that there is something that needs to be fixed...right ? > > > > > > ...as long as you try to fix what appears as a disorder > > > ...you actuly sustain what appears to be a disorder > > > ...you take the mind to be your master > > > ...as long as you focus on the mind...you make the mind the king... > > > > > > ...and this making the mind the king is the only mistake... > > > ...and from this you take yourself to be what you are not... > > > > > > ...only let openness itself (your real nature) let the mind run > > > ...to the west or to the east or wherever it runs > > > ...nothing is wrong with that... > > > ...the mind will tell you that this running to far is wrong somehow > > > ...that it needs to be helped to stay in a special way... > > > ...but all judging is made by the mind only...never by openness > > > ...and if you take the judging mind to be the king... > > > ...then that king will make your life a battlefield... > > > ...openness by nature is welcoming and loving... > > > ...the mind is loved just the way it is or the way it runs... > > > ...and the judging part of the mind is given full love... > > > ...openness never judge...never fix anything... > > > ...it is only open > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > Chaz, > > > > " to thine own self be true. " > > > > Live from your heart, Love from your heart and you will always be > > yourself. Sorry, nothing else you can or should do except practice > > being yourself with lovingkindness--compassion. > > > > Hugs, > > Anna > > > > > > > Within the edgeless fluidity.......nothing can ever 'be itself'. > > > toombaru except for bob ....bob (not sky) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Q) Can't we reach the goal through spiritual effort without Guru? > > > What is the difference between Sadhana and Upasana? > > > > A) Sadhana means attaining the grace of the Lord in human form > > by > > > serving Him. Upasana is attaining something, which is very much > > near > > > and similar to the Lord. In Upasana you cannot serve the Lord. Upa > > > means near. Asana means attainment. In Upasana you can understand > > the > > > nature of the Lord through a model (Prateeka), which has some > > > similarity with the Lord. Veda says that the Sun or the mind etc., > > > should be meditated as the Lord (Adityam Brahmeti Upaseeta, Tam > > Mana > > > Iti Upaseeta). The Sun removes the darkness as the Lord removes the > > > ignorance. The mind creates several forms in dream as the Lord > > creates > > > several forms in the world. The Sun and the mind are only the > > models > > > to understand the Lord. When you meditate upon the Sun and the mind > > > you can only understand the nature of the Lord. But you cannot > > serve > > > the Lord. Hanuman meditated upon the Sun and understood the nature > > of > > > the Lord. Then He met Lord Rama and served Him. Therefore Sadhana > > is > > > greater than Upasana. Upasana is > > > > the beginning stage and Sadhana is the final stage. > > > > > > > > Sadhana (Spiritual effort) without Guru is like a blind bull > > > running in the field through out the night and was unable to reach > > the > > > village since the farmer guide is not associated with it. Guru > > means > > > He who removes the ignorance and shows the right path. Without Guru > > > you will be wasting lot of energy and lot of time without reaching > > the > > > goal. If you recognize the Lord in human form and serve Him like > > > Hanuman and Gopikas you can attain the highest fruit. All this is > > > known only through the preaching of the Guru. If you are serving > > the > > > statues you will end in misery only like Tyagaraja. The blind bull > > > spends all its energy through out the night without any use. Had it > > > been in the hand of a guide it could have reached the village in > > ten > > > minutes by spending very little energy in walking. (Swami sang the > > > following song spontaneously here). > > > > > > > > Oh! Blind horse! – Hear the Guru | > > > > You don't see the way – But you are running with vigor || > > > > How many wives – How many husbands – How many Sons and How many > > > daughters ---- You had for the past millions of births! > > > > Don't be trapped by the sweet words and sweet love of these > > family > > > members | > > > > They are your real enemies in your Sadhana--You have stolen > > their > > > money in the previous birth and they have come now to get it from > > you > > > with interest || > > > > They have come not only to collect their loans – but also to > > > revenge upon you--By spoiling your Sadhana || > > > > Your energy and time are limited – they cannot save you when > > the > > > death attacks you | > > > > They will leave you after their revenge--They have come to you > > for > > > food and shelter – Help them as per your duty | > > > > But be brief with them without wasting time and energy || > > > > Hear Me, See Me, Speak about Me and Think about Me only | > > > > Your senses caught by these bonds will not allow you to come to > > > Me-----The blind bull ran and ran through out the night and was in > > the > > > field only----It was dissociated from the guide – Therefore catch > > the > > > Guru at once || > > > > > > > > Holy Jesus told in the Bible that if one does not hate his > > family > > > members he cannot become His disciple. I am explaining the reason > > of > > > His statement. Your family attracts you by love and becomes an > > > obstacle for your love on the Lord. Guru is very important in > > Sadhana. > > > Nobody is more than Guru (Na Guroradhikam, Guru Saakshat Para > > Brahma). > > > You must not limit the service by serving the Guru personally only. > > > You must digest His preaching. Can you pass the examination if you > > > have paid the fees regularly to the teacher? But today the Guru is > > > concentrating on the fees but not on the student. > > > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > surya > > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > .....so speaks another family member.......... > > > > > > .................and another....... and another................. > > > > > > ......a thousand monkey family members....fussing, fussing, > > > fussing......release the mind, let the monkeys go....and be merely > > > open...... > > > > > > ........iietsa.. > > > > > > and > > > > > > another family member: > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > you are welcome to use " iietsa " as your identity-name if you like > > ...but whats the point really ? > > ...what are you fishing for honestly ? > > ...millions of persons are trying to explain what jesus or buddha > > said twothousand years ago... > > ...are you trying to say what iietsa says...is that it ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > Two answers, > just for you, > my lovely > > (with all due respect, not a diminutive) > > iietsa, > > one poetic, > > the other prosaic. > > Poetic: > > there is no iietsa, > no Buddha, > no point, > no fishing, > no trying to say. > > There is only... > > ........being > > Prosaic: > > Since I've been reading your emanations, I've absorbed what feels like > their spirit. A spirit of purity and liberation, of love and > abundance, of serenity and of light. So, when I read something that > makes me go, " oh, it feels as though iietsa would say something like > this to that, " I just let my fingers feel as I feel it would feel to > be you saying what ...... You get the point. > > Plus, there seems to be a theme on this list of freedom from identity. > And so, seems to me that that freedom includes freedom from any > attachment to any one name, identity or another. Why not play with > the identities that are constantly flowing through us? > > I can't offer your message better than you can. But I'm not always as > good at offering a message in my own words, necessarily, either. But > when I surrender to being someone else, there's a kind of magic that > happens for me. It's fun. > > So, I'm not " trying " anything, I am " letting, opening, watching. " > > Any more questions, our delectable iietsa? > > ~*~ > all is loved by love...nothing is denied... all is welcomed in welcoming... openness is the burning heart... the light of your life... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times and > > it > > > has > > > > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon itself > > in > > > > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and > > hope > > > that > > > > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what last > > > bits > > > > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and if > > you > > > > know of someone willing to help in this area I would appreciate > > the > > > > advice. > > > > Chaz > > > > > > > > > > hi chaz... > > > it seems that the mind says that there is something wrong with the > > mind > > > ...that there is something that needs to be fixed...right ? > > > > > > ...as long as you try to fix what appears as a disorder > > > ...you actuly sustain what appears to be a disorder > > > ...you take the mind to be your master > > > ...as long as you focus on the mind...you make the mind the king... > > > > > > ...and this making the mind the king is the only mistake... > > > ...and from this you take yourself to be what you are not... > > > > > > ...only let openness itself (your real nature) let the mind run > > > ...to the west or to the east or wherever it runs > > > ...nothing is wrong with that... > > > ...the mind will tell you that this running to far is wrong somehow > > > ...that it needs to be helped to stay in a special way... > > > ...but all judging is made by the mind only...never by openness > > > ...and if you take the judging mind to be the king... > > > ...then that king will make your life a battlefield... > > > ...openness by nature is welcoming and loving... > > > ...the mind is loved just the way it is or the way it runs... > > > ...and the judging part of the mind is given full love... > > > ...openness never judge...never fix anything... > > > ...it is only open > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > Chaz, > > > > " to thine own self be true. " > > > > Live from your heart, Love from your heart and you will always be > > yourself. Sorry, nothing else you can or should do except practice > > being yourself with lovingkindness--compassion. > > > > Hugs, > > Anna > > > > > > > Within the edgeless fluidity.......nothing can ever 'be itself'. > > > toombaru > the Self is not a thing ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times > and > > > it > > > > has > > > > > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon > itself > > > in > > > > > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and > > > hope > > > > that > > > > > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what > last > > > > bits > > > > > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and > if > > > you > > > > > know of someone willing to help in this area I would > appreciate > > > the > > > > > advice. > > > > > Chaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi chaz... > > > > it seems that the mind says that there is something wrong with > the > > > mind > > > > ...that there is something that needs to be fixed...right ? > > > > > > > > ...as long as you try to fix what appears as a disorder > > > > ...you actuly sustain what appears to be a disorder > > > > ...you take the mind to be your master > > > > ...as long as you focus on the mind...you make the mind the > king... > > > > > > > > ...and this making the mind the king is the only mistake... > > > > ...and from this you take yourself to be what you are not... > > > > > > > > ...only let openness itself (your real nature) let the mind > run > > > > ...to the west or to the east or wherever it runs > > > > ...nothing is wrong with that... > > > > ...the mind will tell you that this running to far is wrong > somehow > > > > ...that it needs to be helped to stay in a special way... > > > > ...but all judging is made by the mind only...never by openness > > > > ...and if you take the judging mind to be the king... > > > > ...then that king will make your life a battlefield... > > > > ...openness by nature is welcoming and loving... > > > > ...the mind is loved just the way it is or the way it runs... > > > > ...and the judging part of the mind is given full love... > > > > ...openness never judge...never fix anything... > > > > ...it is only open > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > Chaz, > > > > > > " to thine own self be true. " > > > > > > Live from your heart, Love from your heart and you will always be > > > yourself. Sorry, nothing else you can or should do except > practice > > > being yourself with lovingkindness--compassion. > > > > > > Hugs, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within the edgeless fluidity.......nothing can ever 'be itself'. > > > > > > toombaru > > > the Self is not a thing > ...iietsa > well, if a thing is not an object, then you're indeed correct. hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya > <dattapr2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Q) Can't we reach the goal through spiritual effort without > Guru? > > > > What is the difference between Sadhana and Upasana? > > > > > A) Sadhana means attaining the grace of the Lord in human > form > > > by > > > > serving Him. Upasana is attaining something, which is very > much > > > near > > > > and similar to the Lord. In Upasana you cannot serve the Lord. > Upa > > > > means near. Asana means attainment. In Upasana you can > understand > > > the > > > > nature of the Lord through a model (Prateeka), which has some > > > > similarity with the Lord. Veda says that the Sun or the mind > etc., > > > > should be meditated as the Lord (Adityam Brahmeti Upaseeta, > Tam > > > Mana > > > > Iti Upaseeta). The Sun removes the darkness as the Lord > removes the > > > > ignorance. The mind creates several forms in dream as the Lord > > > creates > > > > several forms in the world. The Sun and the mind are only the > > > models > > > > to understand the Lord. When you meditate upon the Sun and the > mind > > > > you can only understand the nature of the Lord. But you cannot > > > serve > > > > the Lord. Hanuman meditated upon the Sun and understood the > nature > > > of > > > > the Lord. Then He met Lord Rama and served Him. Therefore > Sadhana > > > is > > > > greater than Upasana. Upasana is > > > > > the beginning stage and Sadhana is the final stage. > > > > > > > > > > Sadhana (Spiritual effort) without Guru is like a blind > bull > > > > running in the field through out the night and was unable to > reach > > > the > > > > village since the farmer guide is not associated with it. Guru > > > means > > > > He who removes the ignorance and shows the right path. Without > Guru > > > > you will be wasting lot of energy and lot of time without > reaching > > > the > > > > goal. If you recognize the Lord in human form and serve Him > like > > > > Hanuman and Gopikas you can attain the highest fruit. All this > is > > > > known only through the preaching of the Guru. If you are > serving > > > the > > > > statues you will end in misery only like Tyagaraja. The blind > bull > > > > spends all its energy through out the night without any use. > Had it > > > > been in the hand of a guide it could have reached the village > in > > > ten > > > > minutes by spending very little energy in walking. (Swami sang > the > > > > following song spontaneously here). > > > > > > > > > > Oh! Blind horse! – Hear the Guru | > > > > > You don't see the way – But you are running with vigor || > > > > > How many wives – How many husbands – How many Sons and How > many > > > > daughters ---- You had for the past millions of births! > > > > > Don't be trapped by the sweet words and sweet love of > these > > > family > > > > members | > > > > > They are your real enemies in your Sadhana--You have > stolen > > > their > > > > money in the previous birth and they have come now to get it > from > > > you > > > > with interest || > > > > > They have come not only to collect their loans – but also > to > > > > revenge upon you--By spoiling your Sadhana || > > > > > Your energy and time are limited – they cannot save you > when > > > the > > > > death attacks you | > > > > > They will leave you after their revenge--They have come to > you > > > for > > > > food and shelter – Help them as per your duty | > > > > > But be brief with them without wasting time and energy || > > > > > Hear Me, See Me, Speak about Me and Think about Me only | > > > > > Your senses caught by these bonds will not allow you to > come to > > > > Me-----The blind bull ran and ran through out the night and > was in > > > the > > > > field only----It was dissociated from the guide – Therefore > catch > > > the > > > > Guru at once || > > > > > > > > > > Holy Jesus told in the Bible that if one does not hate his > > > family > > > > members he cannot become His disciple. I am explaining the > reason > > > of > > > > His statement. Your family attracts you by love and becomes an > > > > obstacle for your love on the Lord. Guru is very important in > > > Sadhana. > > > > Nobody is more than Guru (Na Guroradhikam, Guru Saakshat Para > > > Brahma). > > > > You must not limit the service by serving the Guru personally > only. > > > > You must digest His preaching. Can you pass the examination if > you > > > > have paid the fees regularly to the teacher? But today the > Guru is > > > > concentrating on the fees but not on the student. > > > > > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > > > surya > > > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....so speaks another family member.......... > > > > > > > > .................and another....... and > another................. > > > > > > > > ......a thousand monkey family members....fussing, fussing, > > > > fussing......release the mind, let the monkeys go....and be > merely > > > > open...... > > > > > > > > ........iietsa.. > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > another family member: > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > you are welcome to use " iietsa " as your identity-name if you like > > > ...but whats the point really ? > > > ...what are you fishing for honestly ? > > > ...millions of persons are trying to explain what jesus or > buddha > > > said twothousand years ago... > > > ...are you trying to say what iietsa says...is that it ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Two answers, > > just for you, > > my lovely > > > > (with all due respect, not a diminutive) > > > > iietsa, > > > > one poetic, > > > > the other prosaic. > > > > Poetic: > > > > there is no iietsa, > > no Buddha, > > no point, > > no fishing, > > no trying to say. > > > > There is only... > > > > ........being > > > > Prosaic: > > > > Since I've been reading your emanations, I've absorbed what feels > like > > their spirit. A spirit of purity and liberation, of love and > > abundance, of serenity and of light. So, when I read something > that > > makes me go, " oh, it feels as though iietsa would say something > like > > this to that, " I just let my fingers feel as I feel it would feel > to > > be you saying what ...... You get the point. > > > > Plus, there seems to be a theme on this list of freedom from > identity. > > And so, seems to me that that freedom includes freedom from any > > attachment to any one name, identity or another. Why not play with > > the identities that are constantly flowing through us? > > > > I can't offer your message better than you can. But I'm not > always as > > good at offering a message in my own words, necessarily, either. > But > > when I surrender to being someone else, there's a kind of magic > that > > happens for me. It's fun. > > > > So, I'm not " trying " anything, I am " letting, opening, watching. " > > > > Any more questions, our delectable iietsa? > > > > ~*~ > > > > all is loved by love...nothing is denied... > all is welcomed in welcoming... > openness is the burning heart... > the light of your life... > ...iietsa > (-; anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Chaz " <liventruth@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have experienced the book, " I am that " a couple of times > and > > > it > > > > has > > > > > transformed my mind and body and turned my awareness upon > itself > > > in > > > > > the most fantastic way. I have schizoaffective disorder and > > > hope > > > > that > > > > > there is someone realized in my area that could dispel what > last > > > > bits > > > > > of darkeness plague this mind. I live in nashville, TN and > if > > > you > > > > > know of someone willing to help in this area I would > appreciate > > > the > > > > > advice. > > > > > Chaz > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi chaz... > > > > it seems that the mind says that there is something wrong with > the > > > mind > > > > ...that there is something that needs to be fixed...right ? > > > > > > > > ...as long as you try to fix what appears as a disorder > > > > ...you actuly sustain what appears to be a disorder > > > > ...you take the mind to be your master > > > > ...as long as you focus on the mind...you make the mind the > king... > > > > > > > > ...and this making the mind the king is the only mistake... > > > > ...and from this you take yourself to be what you are not... > > > > > > > > ...only let openness itself (your real nature) let the mind > run > > > > ...to the west or to the east or wherever it runs > > > > ...nothing is wrong with that... > > > > ...the mind will tell you that this running to far is wrong > somehow > > > > ...that it needs to be helped to stay in a special way... > > > > ...but all judging is made by the mind only...never by openness > > > > ...and if you take the judging mind to be the king... > > > > ...then that king will make your life a battlefield... > > > > ...openness by nature is welcoming and loving... > > > > ...the mind is loved just the way it is or the way it runs... > > > > ...and the judging part of the mind is given full love... > > > > ...openness never judge...never fix anything... > > > > ...it is only open > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > Chaz, > > > > > > " to thine own self be true. " > > > > > > Live from your heart, Love from your heart and you will always be > > > yourself. Sorry, nothing else you can or should do except > practice > > > being yourself with lovingkindness--compassion. > > > > > > Hugs, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within the edgeless fluidity.......nothing can ever 'be itself'. > > > > > > toombaru > > > the Self is not a thing > ...iietsa > Everything is a thing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > Chaz, > > Very few people ever cross paths with Nisargadatta. > > > And of those few.....very few stick around for very long. > > > For those very few.......reading Nisargadatta is like drinking nectar. > > > When I first came across " I Am That " (in Barnes & Noble of all > places...LOL).....I got dizzy and had to sit down. > > I wore out the first copy and wound up underlining almost every word > that he spoke...:-) > > Over the next several years, I read everything that I could find that > was written by and about him. > > It seems to me that once you start down this river......the right > person.....the right book......the right ideas start to flow softly > into your personal experience. > > > I salute you sir, > > and welcome aboard. > > > > toombaru > i liked reading this. yummmmmm. very tasty. --drinking nectar josie-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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