Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns out to be empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same time is filled completely and fully with manifestation. Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite manifestation yet never interferes with it. Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and disappears......all with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the same. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns out to be > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same time is > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite manifestation > yet never interferes with it. > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and disappears......all > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the same. > > > > > toombaru > Bows my Beloved, What can I say about space that you haven't said? I can only say we have filled one another well. Emptiness if fullness. Fullness is emptiness. Love completes itself, without beginning without ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns out to be > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same time is > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite manifestation > yet never interferes with it. > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and disappears......all > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the same. > > > > > toombaru > when you speak of space and manifestation, are you just talking about concepts? You say neither of space and manifestation can exist without the other. Does that mean that the *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist without the other? Or does it mean something more than or different from that? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns out to be > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same time is > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite manifestation > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and disappears......all > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the same. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > you just talking about concepts? > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > without the other. Does that mean that the > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > without the other? Or does it mean something more > than or different from that? > > Bill > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. You seek that which is seeking. See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns out to be > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same time is > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite manifestation > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and disappears......all > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > than or different from that? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > You seek that which is seeking. > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > toombaru who's seeking??!! thou dost presume too much! I asked those questions to explore *how you* were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering about the matter myself! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns > out to be > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > time is > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > manifestation > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > disappears......all > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > who's seeking??!! > thou dost presume too much! > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > about the matter myself! > > Bill > I was speaking to myself. I always and only am. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns > > out to be > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > > time is > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > manifestation > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > disappears......all > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > who's seeking??!! > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > about the matter myself! > > > > Bill > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > I always and only am. > > > > > toombaru > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well Hope it made sense! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns > > > out to be > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > > > time is > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > manifestation > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > disappears......all > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > Hope it made sense! > > Bill > No-thing makes sense. Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns > > out to be > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > > time is > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > manifestation > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > disappears......all > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > who's seeking??!! > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > about the matter myself! > > > > Bill > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > I always and only am. > > > > > toombaru > First you speak to yourself, As you always are, Then, holding on to this profound discovery, You post it on this list. For what reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > turns > > > out to be > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the > same > > > time is > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > manifestation > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > disappears......all > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > are the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > First you speak to yourself, > As you always are, > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > You post it on this list. > For what reason? > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. (It's just doin time.) Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is nothing else for it TO 'do'. LOL toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > > turns > > > > out to be > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the > > same > > > > time is > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > > are the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > First you speak to yourself, > > As you always are, > > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > > You post it on this list. > > For what reason? > > > > > > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. > > > (It's just doin time.) > > > Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is nothing > else for it TO 'do'. > > > LOL > > > toombaru Itself of what totality > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns > > > > out to be > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > > > > time is > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > are the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > Hope it made sense! > > > > Bill > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > toombaru > Is that a trick question? [we all know there is no such thing as " mind " , yes?] And to whom is the question addressed? Oh yes, as you said, it is all to yourself! The following space is gratuitously provided for " you " to provide the answer to the question " you " have just posed to " yourself " : ___________ ___________ ___________ ___________ Your imaginary friend, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > > > turns > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the > > > same > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > they > > > are the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > into the > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > First you speak to yourself, > > > As you always are, > > > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > > > You post it on this list. > > > For what reason? > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. > > > > > > (It's just doin time.) > > > > > > Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is > nothing > > else for it TO 'do'. > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > toombaru > > > Itself of what totality > > > Consciousness..........folds over on itself....and the dream....the totality.....emerges. Beyond that...........nothing is. a ripple.......a tiny pin prick...........and this. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > > are the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > > Hope it made sense! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Is that a trick question? [we all know there is no such thing > as " mind " , yes?] > > And to whom is the question addressed? > Oh yes, as you said, it is all to yourself! > > The following space is gratuitously provided for > " you " to provide the answer to the question " you " > have just posed to " yourself " : > ___________ > ___________ > ___________ > ___________ > > Your imaginary friend, > Bill > > > > 'Mind'is the name that the mysterious thought stream gives to itself. The illusory entity emerges as the gravitational center of the swirling mnemonic debris. You did not see toombaru or Patricia that day in Cambria. You saw fleeting phantoms ....reflected within the vast hall of mirrors that you call " Bill " . You saw your own memories ...solidified. The entire universe flows through your synapses. Ain't that a kick in the ass? toombaru > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > turns > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the > same > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > > > are the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > into the > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > > > Hope it made sense! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > > > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Is that a trick question? [we all know there is no such thing > > as " mind " , yes?] > > > > And to whom is the question addressed? > > Oh yes, as you said, it is all to yourself! > > > > The following space is gratuitously provided for > > " you " to provide the answer to the question " you " > > have just posed to " yourself " : > > ___________ > > ___________ > > ___________ > > ___________ > > > > Your imaginary friend, > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Mind'is the name that the mysterious thought stream gives to itself. > > The illusory entity emerges as the gravitational center of the > swirling mnemonic debris. > > You did not see toombaru or Patricia that day in Cambria. > > You saw fleeting phantoms ....reflected within the vast hall of > mirrors that you call " Bill " . > > You saw your own memories ...solidified. > > The entire universe flows through your synapses. > > > Ain't that a kick in the ass? toombaru > ....................................................................... stop kicking your own ass, toombaru!! & & & ***%%%%%%%$$ .....some things are real and some things are not.....wake up and smell the coffee!!!!stop all this jerk off poppy cock!!! Bill was there, where were you!!????? Give me a break!!!!!.......... LOL ((((-; judi ......................................................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > > > > turns > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the > > > > same > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > > they > > > > are the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > > into the > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > First you speak to yourself, > > > > As you always are, > > > > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > > > > You post it on this list. > > > > For what reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. > > > > > > > > > (It's just doin time.) > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is > > nothing > > > else for it TO 'do'. > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Itself of what totality > > > > > > > > > Consciousness..........folds over on itself....and the dream....the > totality.....emerges. > > Beyond that...........nothing is. > > > a ripple.......a tiny pin prick...........and this. > > > toombaru > Ohhhhh toomie, I shall behave myself, but you left me with sooooooo much ... a ripple... a tiny pin prick... and this... anna mutters to herself damn this behaving is for the birds ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void > turns > > > > > turns > > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the > infinite > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > > > they > > > > > are the > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > > > into the > > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan > moves > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First you speak to yourself, > > > > > As you always are, > > > > > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > > > > > You post it on this list. > > > > > For what reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > (It's just doin time.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is > > > nothing > > > > else for it TO 'do'. > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Itself of what totality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness..........folds over on itself....and the dream....the > > totality.....emerges. > > > > Beyond that...........nothing is. > > > > > > a ripple.......a tiny pin prick...........and this. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Ohhhhh toomie, I shall behave myself, but you left me with sooooooo > much ... > > a ripple... > a tiny pin prick... > and this... > > anna mutters to herself damn this behaving is for the birds ;-) > anna " behaving " LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void > > turns > > > > > > turns > > > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the > > infinite > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > > > > they > > > > > > are the > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > > > > into the > > > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan > > moves > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First you speak to yourself, > > > > > > As you always are, > > > > > > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > > > > > > You post it on this list. > > > > > > For what reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (It's just doin time.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is > > > > nothing > > > > > else for it TO 'do'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Itself of what totality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness..........folds over on itself....and the dream....the > > > totality.....emerges. > > > > > > Beyond that...........nothing is. > > > > > > > > > a ripple.......a tiny pin prick...........and this. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Ohhhhh toomie, I shall behave myself, but you left me with sooooooo > > much ... > > > > a ripple... > > a tiny pin prick... > > and this... > > > > anna mutters to herself damn this behaving is for the birds ;-) > > > > anna " behaving " > > LOL > I beg your pardon, sir!!! humphf. ......judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 <snip> > > > > > > > Is that a trick question? [we all know there is no such thing > > as " mind " , yes?] > > > > And to whom is the question addressed? > > Oh yes, as you said, it is all to yourself! > > > > The following space is gratuitously provided for > > " you " to provide the answer to the question " you " > > have just posed to " yourself " : > > ___________ > > ___________ > > ___________ > > ___________ > > > > Your imaginary friend, > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Mind'is the name that the mysterious thought stream gives > to itself. perhaps in some thought streams that name comes up... but not in all... within *this* mini-galaxy of synapses that particular label definitely does not come up... nor does the notion " thought stream " ... because no thought stream here... here there is either no " stream " at all (i.e. Sparkling Now) or a rather viscous " swirl " ... kind of a lava lamp with a rotational orientation... expanding/collapsing sucking into " black holes " to then " bloom " again as new " energy swirls " so yeah, no thought stream... > > The illusory entity emerges as the gravitational center of the > swirling mnemonic debris. nice line! And I mean that in a strictly aesthetic sense... like a verbal lava lamp... > You did not see toombaru or Patricia that day in Cambria. > > You saw fleeting phantoms ....reflected within the vast hall of > mirrors that you call " Bill " . > > You saw your own memories ...solidified. > > The entire universe flows through your synapses. > > > Ain't that a kick in the ass? > Well, the term " Bill " always seems rather remote and arbitrary... like being reminded that I live in Gilroy, CA... okay yeah, but not very significant. also notion of " universe " not very real here... this swirling glomb of consciousness (or whatever) is all there is ... and it is decaying borning again every moment (or two...) not enough time for any notion of " universe " to construct. but yes it is a kick in a sense... I mean here I am supposedly " communicating with someone " when all this is happening by itself... just a swirling/sparkling " life " that just does what it does. in a way it all (I mean advaita, per my view) comes down to this one thing: IN THIS SWIRLING SPARKLING MOMENT ALL HAPPENS BY ITSELF. A theory of " self " is not required because everything " works " on its own. There is no effort to be on a " right path " or make a right decision etc. It is like being blind drunk yet somehow managing with aplomb. I like Nisargatta's phrase: perpetual astonishment. Bill > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > > > > turns > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the > > > > same > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > > they > > > > are the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > > into the > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > First you speak to yourself, > > > > As you always are, > > > > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > > > > You post it on this list. > > > > For what reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. > > > > > > > > > (It's just doin time.) > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is > > nothing > > > else for it TO 'do'. > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Itself of what totality > > > > > > > > > Consciousness..........folds over on itself....and the dream....the > totality.....emerges. > > Beyond that...........nothing is. > > > a ripple.......a tiny pin prick...........and this. > > > toombaru Even the tiniest of tiny prick trying explaining the unexplainable means missing the boat big time. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns > > > > out to be > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > > > > time is > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > are the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > Hope it made sense! > > > > Bill > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > toombaru > To ask that is itself to entail such a " belief " ... OR to acknowledge that no such belief on " either end " is possible (since no one to *have* it). Take your pick. Bill (or *was* that Bill?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > Is that a trick question? [we all know there is no such thing > > > as " mind " , yes?] > > > > > > And to whom is the question addressed? > > > Oh yes, as you said, it is all to yourself! > > > > > > The following space is gratuitously provided for > > > " you " to provide the answer to the question " you " > > > have just posed to " yourself " : > > > ___________ > > > ___________ > > > ___________ > > > ___________ > > > > > > Your imaginary friend, > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Mind'is the name that the mysterious thought stream gives > > to itself. > perhaps in some thought streams that name comes up... > but not in all... > > within *this* mini-galaxy of synapses that particular > label definitely does not come up... > nor does the notion " thought stream " ... > because no thought stream here... > > here there is either no " stream " at all > (i.e. Sparkling Now) > or a rather viscous " swirl " ... kind of a lava lamp > with a rotational orientation... > expanding/collapsing > sucking into " black holes " > to then " bloom " again as new > " energy swirls " > > so yeah, no thought stream... > > > > > The illusory entity emerges as the gravitational center of the > > swirling mnemonic debris. > > nice line! > > And I mean that in a strictly aesthetic sense... > like a verbal lava lamp... > > > You did not see toombaru or Patricia that day in Cambria. > > > > You saw fleeting phantoms ....reflected within the vast hall of > > mirrors that you call " Bill " . > > > > You saw your own memories ...solidified. > > > > The entire universe flows through your synapses. > > > > > > Ain't that a kick in the ass? > > > > Well, the term " Bill " always seems rather remote > and arbitrary... like being reminded that I live > in Gilroy, CA... okay yeah, but not very significant. > > also notion of " universe " not very real here... > this swirling glomb of consciousness (or whatever) > is all there is ... and it is decaying borning again > every moment (or two...) > > not enough time for any notion of " universe " to construct. > > but yes it is a kick in a sense... I mean > here I am supposedly " communicating with someone " > when all this is happening by itself... > just a swirling/sparkling " life " that > just does what it does. > > in a way it all (I mean advaita, per my view) comes > down to this one thing: IN THIS SWIRLING SPARKLING > MOMENT ALL HAPPENS BY ITSELF. A theory of " self " is > not required because everything " works " on its own. > There is no effort to be on a " right path " or make > a right decision etc. It is like being blind drunk > yet somehow managing with aplomb. > > I like Nisargatta's phrase: perpetual astonishment. > > > Bill > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Mind....as experienced from within the human mechanism.......is the very best that Life has to offer. There is no consciousness beyond or more advanced then the mind of man in all of manifestation. This is IT. This is the cutting edge........of what is. There is nothing behind you.......nothing in front of you. Your're It. What more could be wanted then this? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void > turns > > > > > turns > > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the > infinite > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > > > they > > > > > are the > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > > > into the > > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan > moves > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First you speak to yourself, > > > > > As you always are, > > > > > Then, holding on to this profound discovery, > > > > > You post it on this list. > > > > > For what reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of mind to probe itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > (It's just doin time.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah............Since it is itself the totalty...there is > > > nothing > > > > else for it TO 'do'. > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Itself of what totality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness..........folds over on itself....and the dream....the > > totality.....emerges. > > > > Beyond that...........nothing is. > > > > > > a ripple.......a tiny pin prick...........and this. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Even the tiniest of tiny prick > > trying explaining the unexplainable > > means missing the boat big time. > > > You are the water......the sky......the boat........... You are the inexplicable.....and the attempt to esplain it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > turns > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > > are the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn into the > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > > Hope it made sense! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > To ask that is itself to entail such a " belief " ... > OR to acknowledge that no such belief on " either end " > is possible (since no one to *have* it). > > Take your pick. > > Bill (or *was* that Bill?) > Indeed.........every question arises from within the false assumption of a self to whom it could be referenced. For instance: What happened when early sailors fell over the edge of the earth? or How dirty was Cinderella's dress? Question assume not only separate distinct objects but also assume a psychological self who is doing the asking. What is the best way to break this somnambulism? Well.........it can't be broken. But when it is seen for what it is....it self destructs....and in its place........an ever fresh astoundment.......moving to the rhythm of the moment. But...........I know....you know this. I can feel it.......at the place where our edges blur. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns > > turns > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the > same > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they > > > are the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > into the > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > > > Hope it made sense! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > > > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > To ask that is itself to entail such a " belief " ... > > OR to acknowledge that no such belief on " either end " > > is possible (since no one to *have* it). > > > > Take your pick. > > > > Bill (or *was* that Bill?) > > > > > > Indeed.........every question arises from within the false assumption > of a self to whom it could be referenced. > > For instance: > > > What happened when early sailors fell over the edge of the earth? > > or > > How dirty was Cinderella's dress? > > > Question assume not only separate distinct objects but also assume a > psychological self who is doing the asking. > > > What is the best way to break this somnambulism? > > > > Well.........it can't be broken. > > > But when it is seen for what it is....it self destructs....and in its > place........an ever fresh astoundment.......moving to the rhythm of > the moment. > > > > > > But...........I know....you know this. > > > I can feel it.......at the place where our edges blur. > > toombaru > " Indeed.........every question arises from within the false assumption of a self to whom it could be referenced. " -What about answering a question? Just as false? Whom are you replying to in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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