Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void > turns > > > turns > > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at > the > > same > > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the > infinite > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > they > > > > are the > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > > into the > > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan > moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > > > > Hope it made sense! > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > > > > > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > To ask that is itself to entail such a " belief " ... > > > OR to acknowledge that no such belief on " either end " > > > is possible (since no one to *have* it). > > > > > > Take your pick. > > > > > > Bill (or *was* that Bill?) > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed.........every question arises from within the false > assumption > > of a self to whom it could be referenced. > > > > For instance: > > > > > > What happened when early sailors fell over the edge of the earth? > > > > or > > > > How dirty was Cinderella's dress? > > > > > > Question assume not only separate distinct objects but also assume > a > > psychological self who is doing the asking. > > > > > > What is the best way to break this somnambulism? > > > > > > > > Well.........it can't be broken. > > > > > > But when it is seen for what it is....it self destructs....and in > its > > place........an ever fresh astoundment.......moving to the rhythm > of > > the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > But...........I know....you know this. > > > > > > I can feel it.......at the place where our edges blur. > > > > > toombaru > > > > " Indeed.........every question arises from within the false > assumption > of a self to whom it could be referenced. " > > -What about answering a question? Just as false? > > Whom are you replying to in the first place. > The one to whom was Nisargadatta speaking? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > <pliantheart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void > > turns > > > > turns > > > > > > > > out to be > > > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at > > the > > > same > > > > > > > > time is > > > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the > > infinite > > > > > > > > manifestation > > > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and > > > > > > > > disappears......all > > > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet > > they > > > > > are the > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are > > > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist > > > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the > > > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist > > > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more > > > > > > > > > > than or different from that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the > > concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn > > > into the > > > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan > > moves on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's seeking??!! > > > > > > > > thou dost presume too much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you* > > > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering > > > > > > > > about the matter myself! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always and only am. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well > > > > > > Hope it made sense! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No-thing makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > To ask that is itself to entail such a " belief " ... > > > > OR to acknowledge that no such belief on " either end " > > > > is possible (since no one to *have* it). > > > > > > > > Take your pick. > > > > > > > > Bill (or *was* that Bill?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed.........every question arises from within the false > > assumption > > > of a self to whom it could be referenced. > > > > > > For instance: > > > > > > > > > What happened when early sailors fell over the edge of the earth? > > > > > > or > > > > > > How dirty was Cinderella's dress? > > > > > > > > > Question assume not only separate distinct objects but also assume > > a > > > psychological self who is doing the asking. > > > > > > > > > What is the best way to break this somnambulism? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.........it can't be broken. > > > > > > > > > But when it is seen for what it is....it self destructs....and in > > its > > > place........an ever fresh astoundment.......moving to the rhythm > > of > > > the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But...........I know....you know this. > > > > > > > > > I can feel it.......at the place where our edges blur. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > " Indeed.........every question arises from within the false > > assumption > > of a self to whom it could be referenced. " > > > > -What about answering a question? Just as false? > > > > Whom are you replying to in the first place. > > > > > > The one to whom was Nisargadatta speaking? > > > toombaru > Who's That Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 <snip> > > Mind....as experienced from within the human mechanism.......is the > very best that Life has to offer. > > There is no consciousness beyond or more advanced then the mind of man > in all of manifestation. > > This is IT. > > This is the cutting edge........of what is. > > > There is nothing behind you.......nothing in front of you. > > > > Your're It. > > > > > What more could be wanted then this? > > toombaru > > that's a way to look at it. but rather than say: " what more could be wanted " .... prefer: when just What Is (when just *this* being *this*), no " want " to be found... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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