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Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn

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>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart

> <pliantheart@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void

> turns

> > > turns

> > > > > > > out to be

> > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at

> the

> > same

> > > > > > > time is

> > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the

> infinite

> > > > > > > manifestation

> > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and

> > > > > > > disappears......all

> > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet

> they

> > > > are the

> > > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are

> > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can exist

> > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the

> > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot exist

> > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more

> > > > > > > > > than or different from that?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the

> concepts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin down.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you turn

> > into the

> > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the caravan

> moves on.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > who's seeking??!!

> > > > > > > thou dost presume too much!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you*

> > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering

> > > > > > > about the matter myself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was speaking to myself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I always and only am.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well :)

> > > > > Hope it made sense!

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > No-thing makes sense.

> > > >

> > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your mind?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > > To ask that is itself to entail such a " belief " ...

> > > OR to acknowledge that no such belief on " either end "

> > > is possible (since no one to *have* it).

> > >

> > > Take your pick.

> > >

> > > Bill (or *was* that Bill?)

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Indeed.........every question arises from within the false

> assumption

> > of a self to whom it could be referenced.

> >

> > For instance:

> >

> >

> > What happened when early sailors fell over the edge of the earth?

> >

> > or

> >

> > How dirty was Cinderella's dress?

> >

> >

> > Question assume not only separate distinct objects but also assume

> a

> > psychological self who is doing the asking.

> >

> >

> > What is the best way to break this somnambulism?

> >

> >

> >

> > Well.........it can't be broken.

> >

> >

> > But when it is seen for what it is....it self destructs....and in

> its

> > place........an ever fresh astoundment.......moving to the rhythm

> of

> > the moment.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > But...........I know....you know this.

> >

> >

> > I can feel it.......at the place where our edges blur.

> >

>

> > toombaru

> >

>

> " Indeed.........every question arises from within the false

> assumption

> of a self to whom it could be referenced. "

>

> -What about answering a question? Just as false?

>

> Whom are you replying to in the first place.

>

 

 

 

The one to whom was Nisargadatta speaking?

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

<pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart

> > <pliantheart@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying

void

> > turns

> > > > turns

> > > > > > > > out to be

> > > > > > > > > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty

and at

> > the

> > > same

> > > > > > > > time is

> > > > > > > > > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Space and manifestation are mutually

codependent.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the

> > infinite

> > > > > > > > manifestation

> > > > > > > > > > > yet never interferes with it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Manifestation

fills......flows...emerges....and

> > > > > > > > disappears......all

> > > > > > > > > > > with no effect upon the space in which it

occurs.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neither can exist without the other........and

yet

> > they

> > > > > are the

> > > > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > when you speak of space and manifestation, are

> > > > > > > > > > you just talking about concepts?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You say neither of space and manifestation can

exist

> > > > > > > > > > without the other. Does that mean that the

> > > > > > > > > > *concepts* of space and manifestation cannot

exist

> > > > > > > > > > without the other? Or does it mean something more

> > > > > > > > > > than or different from that?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That which you seek is not contained within the

> > concepts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You seek that which is seeking.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > See that..........and the walls come a tumblin

down.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You look back.....and see the city lights.....you

turn

> > > into the

> > > > > > > > > trackless unknown.....a dog barks.......the

caravan

> > moves on.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > who's seeking??!!

> > > > > > > > thou dost presume too much!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I asked those questions to explore *how you*

> > > > > > > > were considering the matter. I wasn't wondering

> > > > > > > > about the matter myself!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was speaking to myself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I always and only am.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What " I " wrote was to yourself as well :)

> > > > > > Hope it made sense!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > No-thing makes sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it your belief that toombaru exists outside of your

mind?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > To ask that is itself to entail such a " belief " ...

> > > > OR to acknowledge that no such belief on " either end "

> > > > is possible (since no one to *have* it).

> > > >

> > > > Take your pick.

> > > >

> > > > Bill (or *was* that Bill?)

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Indeed.........every question arises from within the false

> > assumption

> > > of a self to whom it could be referenced.

> > >

> > > For instance:

> > >

> > >

> > > What happened when early sailors fell over the edge of the

earth?

> > >

> > > or

> > >

> > > How dirty was Cinderella's dress?

> > >

> > >

> > > Question assume not only separate distinct objects but also

assume

> > a

> > > psychological self who is doing the asking.

> > >

> > >

> > > What is the best way to break this somnambulism?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Well.........it can't be broken.

> > >

> > >

> > > But when it is seen for what it is....it self destructs....and

in

> > its

> > > place........an ever fresh astoundment.......moving to the

rhythm

> > of

> > > the moment.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > But...........I know....you know this.

> > >

> > >

> > > I can feel it.......at the place where our edges blur.

> > >

> >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > " Indeed.........every question arises from within the false

> > assumption

> > of a self to whom it could be referenced. "

> >

> > -What about answering a question? Just as false?

> >

> > Whom are you replying to in the first place.

> >

>

>

>

> The one to whom was Nisargadatta speaking?

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

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<snip>

 

>

> Mind....as experienced from within the human mechanism.......is the

> very best that Life has to offer.

>

> There is no consciousness beyond or more advanced then the mind of man

> in all of manifestation.

>

> This is IT.

>

> This is the cutting edge........of what is.

>

>

> There is nothing behind you.......nothing in front of you.

>

>

>

> Your're It.

>

>

>

>

> What more could be wanted then this?

>

> toombaru

>

>

 

that's a way to look at it.

 

but rather than say: " what more could be wanted " ....

prefer: when just What Is (when just *this* being *this*),

no " want " to be found...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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