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#1.........---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been following the global warming thread to some

> delight

> > > at the

> > > > > laughs I get reading some of the thoughts and some sadness

> too

> > > at some

> > > > > of the views. But let's lookie:

> > > > >

> > > > > there is global warming (or not)..and there nothing we can

do

> > > about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's cancer and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's war and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's world hunger and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's corporate abuse and there's nothing we can do about

it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's governmental misuse of power and......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's deformed babies and......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's alzheimers and......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's AIDS and ........ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's Avian Bird Flu and.......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's social injustice and.....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there are killers and....ditto

> > > > > (we can't build enough jails, we let 'em out early..they do

> it

> > > again)

> > > > >

> > > > > there's child molesters and....ditto

> > > > > (same same)

> > > > >

> > > > > there's religious intolerance and.....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's pollution and ......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's racial intolerence and...ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's sexual orientation intolerance and....

> > > > >

> > > > > there's war on our city streets and....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's plagues yearly to different crops of the fields

> > > and...ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there are ecosystems being annihilated daily and....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > .....

> > > > >

> > > > > theres......lots and lots and lots o' bullshit in this

> > > world....whether

> > > > > this world is real or not,,,,,,if not than it's still

> bullshit,

> > > just

> > > > > imagined or illusory bullshit but it's still going down some

> way

> > > > > somehow to some'ones'......no matter how cutsie you get

about

> > > there

> > > > > being no one here and all the cool sounding stuff, and how

> there

> > > is

> > > > > nothing that can be done but we'll do our bit and tune up

our

> > > > > commercial Hummvies or pet the quail in the canyon.......but

> I

> > > prefer

> > > > > to do or PRETEND to do what I can with what I can about what

> I

> > > can

> > > > > whenever I can....and still talk about

> > > the " Deeper " , " Truer " , " More

> > > > > Sophisticated Outlook " stuff too.........and I really can't

> > > laugh with

> > > > > the jokesters who think that they sound ever so enlightened

> > > and 'with

> > > > > IT', when they just try to negate the reality of these

events

> in

> > > our

> > > > > lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just a thought of a guy who sometimes just can't play the

> game

> > > that's

> > > > > played by the folks of Realization Road sometimes.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .......bob

> > > > > the guy who seems least likely to just not be able to laugh

> at

> > > this.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The world as viewed through the eyes of a doer is a confusing

> and

> > > > frightening palce indeed.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > Toomie, this is not the time for confusion and being frightened

> by

> > > any sense of doing. This is the time to be an active

participant

> in

> > > the world of creation around us. Imagined or otherwise, the

> blood

> > > is red when flowing.

> > >

> > > As a matter of fact it is time to be courageous in the light of

> > > awareness. The world is a beautiful paradise, however, until

> > > everyone sees this, recreates this and not a haven for hatred

and

> > > hostility, all our beautiful and non-dual words don't amount to

a

> > > crock of shit piled high, smelling to some high heaven that

> doesn't

> > > exist.

> > >

> > > The time is now. The place is here.

> > >

> > > *non wavering* Anna

> > >

> >

> >

> > Why yes indeed.

> >

> > (toombaru pointing wildly to the south)

> >

> > " I think the I see a windmill......Let's go kill it!'

> >

> > (toombaru pulls down his face shield.....hoists his petard.....and

> > gallops off toward the enemy.)

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Yep, I guess the best bet, the best beat, is to just look at things,

> philosophise and have a few laughs.......maybe even dance to the

mean

> beat daddyo! I mean if your really a cool nondual fool having fun

> and seeing suckers everywhere....chasing windmills of the mind.. Ho

> Ho Ho!.....Golly.....look below......Maharaj N. was either a good

> comic or a stupido ready to hoist his petard and gallop off towards

> those windy, mindy traps......and even DIE for some silly

> cause.......what a dupe no?

> ..............

> from " I Am That " .......Nisargadatta chasing Quixote's

> Windmills ......what a dingbat!.....He liked a good joke too I

guess.

>

> Q: Any day there may be a riot right in front of you, perhaps people

> killing each other. Surely you cannot say: nothing is happening and

> remain aloof.

>

> M: ____I never talked of remaining aloof. YOU COULD AS WELL SEE ME

> JUMPING INTO THE FRAY TO SAVE SOMEBODY AND GETTING KILLED.YET TO ME

> NOTHING HAPPENED.

>

> would he have stayed out of the frays of global warming and disease

> and war and...............? yeah probably on those things which

> weren't just this isolated incident he'd have stayed cool and asked

> for some sweets and a tune up on his mojo....after all if nothing's

> really happenin'........there is nothing you can do about it!

>

> This stuff is all a joke?????? I'll drop my bongos to that notion

pal.

>

> .............bob

>

>

>

>

 

 

'He' would have 'done' the dictates of everything that preceded

the 'decision'.

 

It is a beautiful........unfathonable.........mystery.

 

 

LOL

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

#2.......---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- anabebe57 <kailashana@> a écrit :

> > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been following the global warming thread to

> > > > some delight at

> > > > the

> > > > > laughs I get reading some of the thoughts and some

> > > > sadness too at

> > > > some

> > > > > of the views. But let's lookie:

> > > > >

> > > > > there is global warming (or not)..and there

> > > > nothing we can do

> > > > about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's cancer and there's nothing we can do about

> > > > it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's war and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's world hunger and there's nothing we can do

> > > > about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's corporate abuse and there's nothing we can

> > > > do about it

> > > > >

> > > > > there's governmental misuse of power

> > > > and......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's deformed babies and......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's alzheimers and......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's AIDS and ........ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's Avian Bird Flu and.......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's social injustice and.....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there are killers and....ditto

> > > > > (we can't build enough jails, we let 'em out

> > > > early..they do it

> > > > again)

> > > > >

> > > > > there's child molesters and....ditto

> > > > > (same same)

> > > > >

> > > > > there's religious intolerance and.....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's pollution and ......ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's racial intolerence and...ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's sexual orientation intolerance and....

> > > > >

> > > > > there's war on our city streets and....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there's plagues yearly to different crops of the

> > > > fields and...ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > there are ecosystems being annihilated daily

> > > > and....ditto

> > > > >

> > > > > .....

> > > > >

> > > > > theres......lots and lots and lots o' bullshit in

> > > > this

> > > > world....whether

> > > > > this world is real or not,,,,,,if not than it's

> > > > still bullshit,

> > > > just

> > > > > imagined or illusory bullshit but it's still going

> > > > down some way

> > > > > somehow to some'ones'......no matter how cutsie

> > > > you get about

> > > > there

> > > > > being no one here and all the cool sounding stuff,

> > > > and how there

> > > > is

> > > > > nothing that can be done but we'll do our bit and

> > > > tune up our

> > > > > commercial Hummvies or pet the quail in the

> > > > canyon.......but I

> > > > prefer

> > > > > to do or PRETEND to do what I can with what I can

> > > > about what I can

> > > > > whenever I can....and still talk about

> > > > the " Deeper " , " Truer " , " More

> > > > > Sophisticated Outlook " stuff too.........and I

> > > > really can't laugh

> > > > with

> > > > > the jokesters who think that they sound ever so

> > > > enlightened

> > > > and 'with

> > > > > IT', when they just try to negate the reality of

> > > > these events in

> > > > our

> > > > > lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just a thought of a guy who sometimes just can't

> > > > play the game

> > > > that's

> > > > > played by the folks of Realization Road sometimes.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .......bob

> > > > > the guy who seems least likely to just not be able

> > > > to laugh at

> > > > this.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > no one with a heart can laugh at suffering. hmmm.

> > > >

> > > > truth being told. how do we change anything? one

> > > > person at a time.

> > > > who knows who that 100th monkey will be who will tip

> > > > the scales and

> > > > create balance? eh?

> > > >

> > > > Anna ;-)

> > >

> > > Anna can only tip and create balance for herself.

> > > And yes, true, the awareness of each war brings so

> > > much pain.

> > > Also the awareness of my suffering neighbour. In him

> > > is the entire pain of the entire war. The pain of one

> > > man is as terrible as the pain of an entire country.

> > >

> > > hey darling...

> > >

> > > Patricia

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > A dream cannot be repaired from the inside.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> a dream cannot be " repaired' PERIOD.......within or without. It's

> events never really happened...........so what!.......when in the

> dream you do what you can to repair what you 'see' is happening(even

> though in some " higher level " it's not real), because it's your

> excperience of what is real AT THE TIME.......either that or you are

> an autitstic dreamer.........same deal with the dream of

> life........whether anything is going on or down, whether 'you' are,

> or are not, of any 'real' substance......in your being-time it's

what

> you got.....if you are stabbed or fall off a cliff........you

> scream......if you see the child being hurt.......you run to

> help........if you see the world warring, ecologically

> dying.......whatever you see that in your living experience seems

> harmful or wrong......you do something about it.......whether it

> makes any difference or not........my living time is not experienced

> as a stone or dead wood fence or any other thing that just sits

> there...and I won't pretend because I know it's all a dream without

a

> dreamer and other pontifical crap, that I'll just be a nothing and

> explain to the other nothings about how there is just nothing to be

> done.......but try to impress those other nonexistent nothings about

> how wise and enlightened a nonexisytent dream nothing my

illusory 'I'

> can be and seem to others. To do that kind of thing is really a

> CIRCULAR thing..........and plain dumb too.

>

> ..........bob

>

>

>

>

 

 

Glimpse the nature of self....and the walls come a tumblin down.

 

 

 

" If someone need help.........help them.

But don't become a professional do gooder. "

 

 

Nisargadatta

 

 

 

#3.............---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns out

to

> be

> > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same time

is

> > filled completely and fully with manifestation.

> >

> > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent.

> >

> > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite

manifestation

> > yet never interferes with it.

> >

> > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and

disappears......all

> > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs.

> >

> > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the

> same.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> I love reading Franklin Merrell Wolff myself. He's one of my

> faves.....do you remember which Aphorism in Consciousness Without

and

> Object this is from? I do. But I'm fond of the different wording

> here....it's sort of cute really.

>

>

> .......bob

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

Everytime I drove to Mammoth........I would look up that canyon where

Wolfe spent the last part of his life.......and linger

long........and long.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

thank you

for your help ,

 

 

........bob

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

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>

> #1.........---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been following the global warming thread to some

> > delight

> > > > at the

> > > > > > laughs I get reading some of the thoughts and some sadness

> > too

> > > > at some

> > > > > > of the views. But let's lookie:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is global warming (or not)..and there nothing we can

> do

> > > > about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's cancer and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's war and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's world hunger and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's corporate abuse and there's nothing we can do about

> it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's governmental misuse of power and......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's deformed babies and......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's alzheimers and......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's AIDS and ........ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's Avian Bird Flu and.......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's social injustice and.....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there are killers and....ditto

> > > > > > (we can't build enough jails, we let 'em out early..they do

> > it

> > > > again)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's child molesters and....ditto

> > > > > > (same same)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's religious intolerance and.....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's pollution and ......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's racial intolerence and...ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's sexual orientation intolerance and....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's war on our city streets and....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's plagues yearly to different crops of the fields

> > > > and...ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there are ecosystems being annihilated daily and....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > theres......lots and lots and lots o' bullshit in this

> > > > world....whether

> > > > > > this world is real or not,,,,,,if not than it's still

> > bullshit,

> > > > just

> > > > > > imagined or illusory bullshit but it's still going down some

> > way

> > > > > > somehow to some'ones'......no matter how cutsie you get

> about

> > > > there

> > > > > > being no one here and all the cool sounding stuff, and how

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > nothing that can be done but we'll do our bit and tune up

> our

> > > > > > commercial Hummvies or pet the quail in the canyon.......but

> > I

> > > > prefer

> > > > > > to do or PRETEND to do what I can with what I can about what

> > I

> > > > can

> > > > > > whenever I can....and still talk about

> > > > the " Deeper " , " Truer " , " More

> > > > > > Sophisticated Outlook " stuff too.........and I really can't

> > > > laugh with

> > > > > > the jokesters who think that they sound ever so enlightened

> > > > and 'with

> > > > > > IT', when they just try to negate the reality of these

> events

> > in

> > > > our

> > > > > > lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just a thought of a guy who sometimes just can't play the

> > game

> > > > that's

> > > > > > played by the folks of Realization Road sometimes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > > the guy who seems least likely to just not be able to laugh

> > at

> > > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The world as viewed through the eyes of a doer is a confusing

> > and

> > > > > frightening palce indeed.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Toomie, this is not the time for confusion and being frightened

> > by

> > > > any sense of doing. This is the time to be an active

> participant

> > in

> > > > the world of creation around us. Imagined or otherwise, the

> > blood

> > > > is red when flowing.

> > > >

> > > > As a matter of fact it is time to be courageous in the light of

> > > > awareness. The world is a beautiful paradise, however, until

> > > > everyone sees this, recreates this and not a haven for hatred

> and

> > > > hostility, all our beautiful and non-dual words don't amount to

> a

> > > > crock of shit piled high, smelling to some high heaven that

> > doesn't

> > > > exist.

> > > >

> > > > The time is now. The place is here.

> > > >

> > > > *non wavering* Anna

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Why yes indeed.

> > >

> > > (toombaru pointing wildly to the south)

> > >

> > > " I think the I see a windmill......Let's go kill it!'

> > >

> > > (toombaru pulls down his face shield.....hoists his petard.....and

> > > gallops off toward the enemy.)

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > Yep, I guess the best bet, the best beat, is to just look at things,

> > philosophise and have a few laughs.......maybe even dance to the

> mean

> > beat daddyo! I mean if your really a cool nondual fool having fun

> > and seeing suckers everywhere....chasing windmills of the mind.. Ho

> > Ho Ho!.....Golly.....look below......Maharaj N. was either a good

> > comic or a stupido ready to hoist his petard and gallop off towards

> > those windy, mindy traps......and even DIE for some silly

> > cause.......what a dupe no?

> > ..............

> > from " I Am That " .......Nisargadatta chasing Quixote's

> > Windmills ......what a dingbat!.....He liked a good joke too I

> guess.

> >

> > Q: Any day there may be a riot right in front of you, perhaps people

> > killing each other. Surely you cannot say: nothing is happening and

> > remain aloof.

> >

> > M: ____I never talked of remaining aloof. YOU COULD AS WELL SEE ME

> > JUMPING INTO THE FRAY TO SAVE SOMEBODY AND GETTING KILLED.YET TO ME

> > NOTHING HAPPENED.

> >

> > would he have stayed out of the frays of global warming and disease

> > and war and...............? yeah probably on those things which

> > weren't just this isolated incident he'd have stayed cool and asked

> > for some sweets and a tune up on his mojo....after all if nothing's

> > really happenin'........there is nothing you can do about it!

> >

> > This stuff is all a joke?????? I'll drop my bongos to that notion

> pal.

> >

> > .............bob

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> 'He' would have 'done' the dictates of everything that preceded

> the 'decision'.

>

> It is a beautiful........unfathonable.........mystery.

>

>

> LOL

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

>

> #2.......---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > --- anabebe57 <kailashana@> a écrit :

> > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been following the global warming thread to

> > > > > some delight at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > laughs I get reading some of the thoughts and some

> > > > > sadness too at

> > > > > some

> > > > > > of the views. But let's lookie:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is global warming (or not)..and there

> > > > > nothing we can do

> > > > > about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's cancer and there's nothing we can do about

> > > > > it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's war and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's world hunger and there's nothing we can do

> > > > > about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's corporate abuse and there's nothing we can

> > > > > do about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's governmental misuse of power

> > > > > and......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's deformed babies and......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's alzheimers and......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's AIDS and ........ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's Avian Bird Flu and.......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's social injustice and.....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there are killers and....ditto

> > > > > > (we can't build enough jails, we let 'em out

> > > > > early..they do it

> > > > > again)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's child molesters and....ditto

> > > > > > (same same)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's religious intolerance and.....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's pollution and ......ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's racial intolerence and...ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's sexual orientation intolerance and....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's war on our city streets and....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there's plagues yearly to different crops of the

> > > > > fields and...ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there are ecosystems being annihilated daily

> > > > > and....ditto

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > theres......lots and lots and lots o' bullshit in

> > > > > this

> > > > > world....whether

> > > > > > this world is real or not,,,,,,if not than it's

> > > > > still bullshit,

> > > > > just

> > > > > > imagined or illusory bullshit but it's still going

> > > > > down some way

> > > > > > somehow to some'ones'......no matter how cutsie

> > > > > you get about

> > > > > there

> > > > > > being no one here and all the cool sounding stuff,

> > > > > and how there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > nothing that can be done but we'll do our bit and

> > > > > tune up our

> > > > > > commercial Hummvies or pet the quail in the

> > > > > canyon.......but I

> > > > > prefer

> > > > > > to do or PRETEND to do what I can with what I can

> > > > > about what I can

> > > > > > whenever I can....and still talk about

> > > > > the " Deeper " , " Truer " , " More

> > > > > > Sophisticated Outlook " stuff too.........and I

> > > > > really can't laugh

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the jokesters who think that they sound ever so

> > > > > enlightened

> > > > > and 'with

> > > > > > IT', when they just try to negate the reality of

> > > > > these events in

> > > > > our

> > > > > > lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just a thought of a guy who sometimes just can't

> > > > > play the game

> > > > > that's

> > > > > > played by the folks of Realization Road sometimes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > > the guy who seems least likely to just not be able

> > > > > to laugh at

> > > > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > no one with a heart can laugh at suffering. hmmm.

> > > > >

> > > > > truth being told. how do we change anything? one

> > > > > person at a time.

> > > > > who knows who that 100th monkey will be who will tip

> > > > > the scales and

> > > > > create balance? eh?

> > > > >

> > > > > Anna ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Anna can only tip and create balance for herself.

> > > > And yes, true, the awareness of each war brings so

> > > > much pain.

> > > > Also the awareness of my suffering neighbour. In him

> > > > is the entire pain of the entire war. The pain of one

> > > > man is as terrible as the pain of an entire country.

> > > >

> > > > hey darling...

> > > >

> > > > Patricia

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > A dream cannot be repaired from the inside.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > a dream cannot be " repaired' PERIOD.......within or without. It's

> > events never really happened...........so what!.......when in the

> > dream you do what you can to repair what you 'see' is happening(even

> > though in some " higher level " it's not real), because it's your

> > excperience of what is real AT THE TIME.......either that or you are

> > an autitstic dreamer.........same deal with the dream of

> > life........whether anything is going on or down, whether 'you' are,

> > or are not, of any 'real' substance......in your being-time it's

> what

> > you got.....if you are stabbed or fall off a cliff........you

> > scream......if you see the child being hurt.......you run to

> > help........if you see the world warring, ecologically

> > dying.......whatever you see that in your living experience seems

> > harmful or wrong......you do something about it.......whether it

> > makes any difference or not........my living time is not experienced

> > as a stone or dead wood fence or any other thing that just sits

> > there...and I won't pretend because I know it's all a dream without

> a

> > dreamer and other pontifical crap, that I'll just be a nothing and

> > explain to the other nothings about how there is just nothing to be

> > done.......but try to impress those other nonexistent nothings about

> > how wise and enlightened a nonexisytent dream nothing my

> illusory 'I'

> > can be and seem to others. To do that kind of thing is really a

> > CIRCULAR thing..........and plain dumb too.

> >

> > ..........bob

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Glimpse the nature of self....and the walls come a tumblin down.

>

>

>

> " If someone need help.........help them.

> But don't become a professional do gooder. "

>

>

> Nisargadatta

>

>

>

> #3.............---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns out

> to

> > be

> > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same time

> is

> > > filled completely and fully with manifestation.

> > >

> > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent.

> > >

> > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite

> manifestation

> > > yet never interferes with it.

> > >

> > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and

> disappears......all

> > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs.

> > >

> > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are the

> > same.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > I love reading Franklin Merrell Wolff myself. He's one of my

> > faves.....do you remember which Aphorism in Consciousness Without

> and

> > Object this is from? I do. But I'm fond of the different wording

> > here....it's sort of cute really.

> >

> >

> > .......bob

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> Everytime I drove to Mammoth........I would look up that canyon where

> Wolfe spent the last part of his life.......and linger

> long........and long.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

> thank you

> for your help ,

>

>

> ........bob

>

 

 

 

 

 

Life..........loves itself.

 

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > #1.........---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been following the global warming thread to some

> > > delight

> > > > > at the

> > > > > > > laughs I get reading some of the thoughts and some

sadness

> > > too

> > > > > at some

> > > > > > > of the views. But let's lookie:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is global warming (or not)..and there nothing we

can

> > do

> > > > > about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's cancer and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's war and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's world hunger and there's nothing we can do

about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's corporate abuse and there's nothing we can do

about

> > it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's governmental misuse of power and......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's deformed babies and......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's alzheimers and......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's AIDS and ........ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's Avian Bird Flu and.......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's social injustice and.....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are killers and....ditto

> > > > > > > (we can't build enough jails, we let 'em out

early..they do

> > > it

> > > > > again)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's child molesters and....ditto

> > > > > > > (same same)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's religious intolerance and.....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's pollution and ......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's racial intolerence and...ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's sexual orientation intolerance and....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's war on our city streets and....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's plagues yearly to different crops of the fields

> > > > > and...ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are ecosystems being annihilated daily

and....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > theres......lots and lots and lots o' bullshit in this

> > > > > world....whether

> > > > > > > this world is real or not,,,,,,if not than it's still

> > > bullshit,

> > > > > just

> > > > > > > imagined or illusory bullshit but it's still going down

some

> > > way

> > > > > > > somehow to some'ones'......no matter how cutsie you get

> > about

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > being no one here and all the cool sounding stuff, and

how

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > nothing that can be done but we'll do our bit and tune

up

> > our

> > > > > > > commercial Hummvies or pet the quail in the

canyon.......but

> > > I

> > > > > prefer

> > > > > > > to do or PRETEND to do what I can with what I can about

what

> > > I

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > whenever I can....and still talk about

> > > > > the " Deeper " , " Truer " , " More

> > > > > > > Sophisticated Outlook " stuff too.........and I really

can't

> > > > > laugh with

> > > > > > > the jokesters who think that they sound ever so

enlightened

> > > > > and 'with

> > > > > > > IT', when they just try to negate the reality of these

> > events

> > > in

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just a thought of a guy who sometimes just can't play

the

> > > game

> > > > > that's

> > > > > > > played by the folks of Realization Road sometimes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > > > the guy who seems least likely to just not be able to

laugh

> > > at

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The world as viewed through the eyes of a doer is a

confusing

> > > and

> > > > > > frightening palce indeed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Toomie, this is not the time for confusion and being

frightened

> > > by

> > > > > any sense of doing. This is the time to be an active

> > participant

> > > in

> > > > > the world of creation around us. Imagined or otherwise, the

> > > blood

> > > > > is red when flowing.

> > > > >

> > > > > As a matter of fact it is time to be courageous in the

light of

> > > > > awareness. The world is a beautiful paradise, however, until

> > > > > everyone sees this, recreates this and not a haven for

hatred

> > and

> > > > > hostility, all our beautiful and non-dual words don't

amount to

> > a

> > > > > crock of shit piled high, smelling to some high heaven that

> > > doesn't

> > > > > exist.

> > > > >

> > > > > The time is now. The place is here.

> > > > >

> > > > > *non wavering* Anna

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Why yes indeed.

> > > >

> > > > (toombaru pointing wildly to the south)

> > > >

> > > > " I think the I see a windmill......Let's go kill it!'

> > > >

> > > > (toombaru pulls down his face shield.....hoists his

petard.....and

> > > > gallops off toward the enemy.)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > Yep, I guess the best bet, the best beat, is to just look at

things,

> > > philosophise and have a few laughs.......maybe even dance to

the

> > mean

> > > beat daddyo! I mean if your really a cool nondual fool having

fun

> > > and seeing suckers everywhere....chasing windmills of the

mind.. Ho

> > > Ho Ho!.....Golly.....look below......Maharaj N. was either a

good

> > > comic or a stupido ready to hoist his petard and gallop off

towards

> > > those windy, mindy traps......and even DIE for some silly

> > > cause.......what a dupe no?

> > > ..............

> > > from " I Am That " .......Nisargadatta chasing Quixote's

> > > Windmills ......what a dingbat!.....He liked a good joke too I

> > guess.

> > >

> > > Q: Any day there may be a riot right in front of you, perhaps

people

> > > killing each other. Surely you cannot say: nothing is happening

and

> > > remain aloof.

> > >

> > > M: ____I never talked of remaining aloof. YOU COULD AS WELL SEE

ME

> > > JUMPING INTO THE FRAY TO SAVE SOMEBODY AND GETTING KILLED.YET

TO ME

> > > NOTHING HAPPENED.

> > >

> > > would he have stayed out of the frays of global warming and

disease

> > > and war and...............? yeah probably on those things which

> > > weren't just this isolated incident he'd have stayed cool and

asked

> > > for some sweets and a tune up on his mojo....after all if

nothing's

> > > really happenin'........there is nothing you can do about it!

> > >

> > > This stuff is all a joke?????? I'll drop my bongos to that

notion

> > pal.

> > >

> > > .............bob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > 'He' would have 'done' the dictates of everything that preceded

> > the 'decision'.

> >

> > It is a beautiful........unfathonable.........mystery.

> >

> >

> > LOL

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > #2.......---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > --- anabebe57 <kailashana@> a écrit :

> > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been following the global warming thread to

> > > > > > some delight at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > laughs I get reading some of the thoughts and some

> > > > > > sadness too at

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > of the views. But let's lookie:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is global warming (or not)..and there

> > > > > > nothing we can do

> > > > > > about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's cancer and there's nothing we can do about

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's war and there's nothing we can do about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's world hunger and there's nothing we can do

> > > > > > about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's corporate abuse and there's nothing we can

> > > > > > do about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's governmental misuse of power

> > > > > > and......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's deformed babies and......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's alzheimers and......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's AIDS and ........ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's Avian Bird Flu and.......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's social injustice and.....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are killers and....ditto

> > > > > > > (we can't build enough jails, we let 'em out

> > > > > > early..they do it

> > > > > > again)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's child molesters and....ditto

> > > > > > > (same same)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's religious intolerance and.....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's pollution and ......ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's racial intolerence and...ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's sexual orientation intolerance and....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's war on our city streets and....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there's plagues yearly to different crops of the

> > > > > > fields and...ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are ecosystems being annihilated daily

> > > > > > and....ditto

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > theres......lots and lots and lots o' bullshit in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > world....whether

> > > > > > > this world is real or not,,,,,,if not than it's

> > > > > > still bullshit,

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > imagined or illusory bullshit but it's still going

> > > > > > down some way

> > > > > > > somehow to some'ones'......no matter how cutsie

> > > > > > you get about

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > being no one here and all the cool sounding stuff,

> > > > > > and how there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > nothing that can be done but we'll do our bit and

> > > > > > tune up our

> > > > > > > commercial Hummvies or pet the quail in the

> > > > > > canyon.......but I

> > > > > > prefer

> > > > > > > to do or PRETEND to do what I can with what I can

> > > > > > about what I can

> > > > > > > whenever I can....and still talk about

> > > > > > the " Deeper " , " Truer " , " More

> > > > > > > Sophisticated Outlook " stuff too.........and I

> > > > > > really can't laugh

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the jokesters who think that they sound ever so

> > > > > > enlightened

> > > > > > and 'with

> > > > > > > IT', when they just try to negate the reality of

> > > > > > these events in

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just a thought of a guy who sometimes just can't

> > > > > > play the game

> > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > played by the folks of Realization Road sometimes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > > > the guy who seems least likely to just not be able

> > > > > > to laugh at

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > no one with a heart can laugh at suffering. hmmm.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > truth being told. how do we change anything? one

> > > > > > person at a time.

> > > > > > who knows who that 100th monkey will be who will tip

> > > > > > the scales and

> > > > > > create balance? eh?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anna ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Anna can only tip and create balance for herself.

> > > > > And yes, true, the awareness of each war brings so

> > > > > much pain.

> > > > > Also the awareness of my suffering neighbour. In him

> > > > > is the entire pain of the entire war. The pain of one

> > > > > man is as terrible as the pain of an entire country.

> > > > >

> > > > > hey darling...

> > > > >

> > > > > Patricia

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A dream cannot be repaired from the inside.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > a dream cannot be " repaired' PERIOD.......within or without.

It's

> > > events never really happened...........so what!.......when in

the

> > > dream you do what you can to repair what you 'see' is happening

(even

> > > though in some " higher level " it's not real), because it's your

> > > excperience of what is real AT THE TIME.......either that or

you are

> > > an autitstic dreamer.........same deal with the dream of

> > > life........whether anything is going on or down, whether 'you'

are,

> > > or are not, of any 'real' substance......in your being-time

it's

> > what

> > > you got.....if you are stabbed or fall off a cliff........you

> > > scream......if you see the child being hurt.......you run to

> > > help........if you see the world warring, ecologically

> > > dying.......whatever you see that in your living experience

seems

> > > harmful or wrong......you do something about it.......whether it

> > > makes any difference or not........my living time is not

experienced

> > > as a stone or dead wood fence or any other thing that just sits

> > > there...and I won't pretend because I know it's all a dream

without

> > a

> > > dreamer and other pontifical crap, that I'll just be a nothing

and

> > > explain to the other nothings about how there is just nothing

to be

> > > done.......but try to impress those other nonexistent nothings

about

> > > how wise and enlightened a nonexisytent dream nothing my

> > illusory 'I'

> > > can be and seem to others. To do that kind of thing is really a

> > > CIRCULAR thing..........and plain dumb too.

> > >

> > > ..........bob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Glimpse the nature of self....and the walls come a tumblin down.

> >

> >

> >

> > " If someone need help.........help them.

> > But don't become a professional do gooder. "

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta

> >

> >

> >

> > #3.............---- roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > That which at first appears as a terrifying void turns turns

out

> > to

> > > be

> > > > empty in the same sense that space is empty and at the same

time

> > is

> > > > filled completely and fully with manifestation.

> > > >

> > > > Space and manifestation are mutually codependent.

> > > >

> > > > Space enfolds.....embraces......connects the infinite

> > manifestation

> > > > yet never interferes with it.

> > > >

> > > > Manifestation fills......flows...emerges....and

> > disappears......all

> > > > with no effect upon the space in which it occurs.

> > > >

> > > > Neither can exist without the other........and yet they are

the

> > > same.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > I love reading Franklin Merrell Wolff myself. He's one of my

> > > faves.....do you remember which Aphorism in Consciousness

Without

> > and

> > > Object this is from? I do. But I'm fond of the different wording

> > > here....it's sort of cute really.

> > >

> > >

> > > .......bob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Everytime I drove to Mammoth........I would look up that canyon

where

> > Wolfe spent the last part of his life.......and linger

> > long........and long.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > thank

you

> > for your help ,

> >

>

>

 

> > ........bob

> Life..........loves itself.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

an affair to remember.....lest we forget....a who' who of lovers.

 

......bob

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