Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 --- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit : > > " If you are angry or in pain, separate yourself from > anger > and pain and watch them. Externalization is the > first step > to liberation. " > > -- Nisargadatta Maharaj > > A neo-Advaitan will say in response to the above, > " Oh, *who* > is separating from *whom*? " > > But that is just due to thinking too much. > The recommendation is easy to follow and very > effective. > > Neo-Advaita busies itself with fussing about > constructs in > any particular recommendation, thus missing the > whole point > of the recommendation. Neo-Advaita really wants to > say: > No recommendations! > > Recommendations fall under " skill in means " . > Neo-Advaita is > perhaps the most unskillful approach to " skill in > means " that > there is. It basically takes a right/wrong (actually > just > wrong/wrong) approach to recommendations, which > reflects a > complete lack of understanding about " skill in > means " . Per a > true understanding of " skill in means " there is no > such > thing as right/wrong. > > > Bill it seems that yu are talking about a process, and process involving time isn`t too neo-A. Nothing wrong with time, nothing wrong with imperfect approaches, trying, failing, hoping, it is all part of the process and of the experience of being.. As long as earnestness stays fresh... Aspiration, dedication and messing up : all bueno. Just go for it. Patricia > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > _________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 --- OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > --- pliantheart <pliantheart a écrit : > > > > > " If you are angry or in pain, separate yourself from > > anger > > and pain and watch them. Externalization is the > > first step > > to liberation. " > > > > -- Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > A neo-Advaitan will say in response to the above, > > " Oh, *who* > > is separating from *whom*? " > > > > But that is just due to thinking too much. > > The recommendation is easy to follow and very > > effective. > > > > Neo-Advaita busies itself with fussing about > > constructs in > > any particular recommendation, thus missing the > > whole point > > of the recommendation. Neo-Advaita really wants to > > say: > > No recommendations! > > > > Recommendations fall under " skill in means " . > > Neo-Advaita is > > perhaps the most unskillful approach to " skill in > > means " that > > there is. It basically takes a right/wrong (actually > > just > > wrong/wrong) approach to recommendations, which > > reflects a > > complete lack of understanding about " skill in > > means " . Per a > > true understanding of " skill in means " there is no > > such > > thing as right/wrong. > > > > > > Bill > > > it seems that yu are talking about a process, and > process involving time isn`t too neo-A. > Nothing wrong with time, nothing wrong with imperfect > approaches, trying, failing, hoping, it is all part of > the process and of the experience of being.. > As long as earnestness stays fresh... > Aspiration, dedication and messing up : all bueno. > Just go for it. > > Patricia do you call *really paying attention* a " process " ? I don't I didn't talk about processes at all. I spoke of " recommendations " . Neo-Advaita is anti-recommendations, and the basis of my criticism. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > it seems that yu are talking about a process, and > process involving time isn`t too neo-A. > Nothing wrong with time, nothing wrong with imperfect > approaches, trying, failing, hoping, it is all part of > the process and of the experience of being.. > As long as earnestness stays fresh... > Aspiration, dedication and messing up : all bueno. > Just go for it. > > Patricia " knock and it shall be opened up to you. " It's not a question of knocking the right way, and knocking according to what this teacher said it must be done like, or the other teacher. It's to sincerely knock, with all your heart, mind, and being. Not like someone else said to do it. But because the knocking is from your very being, because it involves all of who you are, and you can't put it off for another moment in time. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > do you call *really paying attention* a " process " ? > I don't > > I didn't talk about processes at all. > I spoke of " recommendations " . > Neo-Advaita is anti-recommendations, > and the basis of my criticism. > > Bill If you are pro-something, there will be the anti to oppose. If you are anti-something, there will be the pro to oppose. Life goes on. This moment as is, there is no division into something to do, something not to do. There is no division into a process to engage, and a process not to engage. If you are following a recommendation to do something or not to do something -- you have already assumed that you exist as someone who continues from one moment to another, apart from the moments that come and go as experiences. You are attempting to carry something with you (the " recommendation " ) and trying to implement the recommendation so as to get some desired result which you want (e.g., " knowing who I really am, at last!). How will you truly know/be as is -- when you are invested in a mistaken self-existence as a being apart which can carry a recommendation, implement it, and gain a benefit in some future moment of assumed self-existence? Of course, this kind of inquiry isn't for " everyone. " It is for " only one. " And that one is now/here. If someone offers " you are not this state, you are not this emotion, you are not this thought -- observe " are they really leading into a process to be carried through? Or are they not-leading, pointing to what can't be said in words, to who you are when not a single thing is assumed? It is the latter, it seems to me. Where " you are none of this " and " you are all of this " meet, unspeakably so. It can't be implemented, because it is one's own being, this moment. How to know the undivided being one is, this instant? Any advice to do or not to do, any program of teaching, can only be carried over in another moment, in the future, at some point that " you " will supposedly carry it through in. How rare, to know/be this moment indivisible, without involving any added in processes or teachings, or doings or nondoings, or someone who will carry something over to another moment. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 < If you are pro-something, there will be the anti to oppose. < If you are anti-something, there will be the pro to oppose. < Life goes on. < This moment as is, there is no division into something to do, < something not to do. < There is no division into a process to engage, and a process not to < engage. < If you are following a recommendation to do something or not to do < something -- you have already assumed that you exist as someone who < continues from one moment to another, apart from the moments that come < and go as experiences. You are attempting to carry something with you < (the " recommendation " ) and trying to implement the recommendation so < as to get some desired result which you want (e.g., " knowing who I < really am, at last!). < How will you truly know/be as is -- when you are invested in a < mistaken self-existence as a being apart which can carry a < recommendation, implement it, and gain a benefit in some future moment < of assumed self-existence? < Of course, this kind of inquiry isn't for " everyone. " It is for " only < one. " < And that one is now/here. < If someone offers " you are not this state, you are not this emotion, < you are not this thought -- observe " are they really leading into a < process to be carried through? Or are they not-leading, pointing to what can't be said in words, to who you are when not a single thing is < assumed? It is the latter, it seems to me. Where " you are none of < this " and " you are all of this " meet, unspeakably so. < It can't be implemented, because it is one's own being, this moment. < How to know the undivided being one is, this instant? < Any advice to do or not to do, any program of teaching, can only be < carried over in another moment, in the future, at some point that < " you " will supposedly carry it through in. < How rare, to know/be this moment indivisible, without involving any < added in processes or teachings, or doings or nondoings, or someone < who will carry something over to another moment. < -- Dan Superb summary, Dan! Crystal clear! Michael Adamson Adamson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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