Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > >And for those who became famous as teachers, like Niz or Ramana -- > >are they authorities? Or are they mirrors we can use? > >Are we to ask " who am I? " because they recommended it? > >If so, how beneficial will that be -- all it can be is an attempt to > >emulate what we think we are supposed to do. > >If Nisargaddata " received " from asking, and Ramana " received " ... > >it was because they asked fully, were ready, and the question came > >from their very being. > > > Yes, the only authority is ones own experience, including the > appearance of other persons, the mirrors. But asking fully, being > ready: this cannot be forced. Who has enough to eat and feels no > hunger, why should he ask silly questions? Here in Greece we have a > saying: do not disturb the sleep of the unhappy, because you would > ruin his sweet dream, his only comfort. And the dreamer may think > he knows it all and debating great philosophical questions is a nice > pastime. > > But one day life can change all of a sudden and show a different face. > And then maybe burning questions do arise and there is no escape. They > follow into ones sleep. What is the sense of it all? Why the > suffering? The quest has begun. The king has stepped out of his > palace. And in the midst of despair somebody appears and says: " Give > up all questions except –who am I " ... And something tells you that > there is more behind it and there is nothing you have to lose. And > bare of any more solutions, in the face of your own death, you are > then ready to give up everything except this one question. > > And you give up even the expectation to receive something in return. > Now you are ripe. And slowly there comes a sense of trust and > surrender because you finally understand that – however you turn it - > there is nothing left to hold onto. All is as is and that is all. And > as it goes gratitude arises, just so, by and for itself, no more too > much thinking. > > Greetings > Stefan Well-said, Stefan. The too-much-thinking revolves around a supposed thinker. The supposed thinker revolves around an attempt to exist as a me-center. The me-center tries to find success, meaning, love, appreciation. Until, it can't. And if it gives up and gives over, it isn't because it did something, but because it was " taken " ... The one question you refer to, could also be a statement: " You don't get to cross over to here. " And, some have said, " you don't cross over, because you already are here. " Sure -- only " you " can never know this, because the one who is here, isn't " you. " " You " are given up, not just one time and then you're through -- but this moment, this moment, this moment - always now, always given up. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 >> >And for those who became famous as teachers, like Niz or Ramana -- >> >are they authorities? Or are they mirrors we can use? >> >Are we to ask " who am I? " because they recommended it? >> >If so, how beneficial will that be -- all it can be is an attempt to >> >emulate what we think we are supposed to do. >> >If Nisargaddata " received " from asking, and Ramana " received " ... >> >it was because they asked fully, were ready, and the question came >> >from their very being. >> >> >> Yes, the only authority is ones own experience, including the >> appearance of other persons, the mirrors. But asking fully, being >> ready: this cannot be forced. Who has enough to eat and feels no >> hunger, why should he ask silly questions? Here in Greece we have a >> saying: do not disturb the sleep of the unhappy, because you would >> ruin his sweet dream, his only comfort. And the dreamer may think >> he knows it all and debating great philosophical questions is a nice >> pastime. >> >> But one day life can change all of a sudden and show a different face. >> And then maybe burning questions do arise and there is no escape. They >> follow into ones sleep. What is the sense of it all? Why the >> suffering? The quest has begun. The king has stepped out of his >> palace. And in the midst of despair somebody appears and says: " Give >> up all questions except who am I " ... And something tells you that >> there is more behind it and there is nothing you have to lose. And >> bare of any more solutions, in the face of your own death, you are >> then ready to give up everything except this one question. >> >> And you give up even the expectation to receive something in return. >> Now you are ripe. And slowly there comes a sense of trust and >> surrender because you finally understand that however you turn it - >> there is nothing left to hold onto. All is as is and that is all. And >> as it goes gratitude arises, just so, by and for itself, no more too >> much thinking. >> >> Greetings >> Stefan > Still, questions and answers will arise, they cannot be falsly suppressed. But when solely paying attention to < I am>, this part that is always there, whether you sleep or suffer or are awake or in boredom, when you are one with it, questions arise and bring their answers with them. And things fall in place. And there is plenty to receive, and nothing you want to hold on to. Like Dan said, all is received, all is then released, now. greatfully Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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