[ring ring] Who is the mirror? / Who is the real Self?

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote:

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> > Hi, Marc,

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> > I would like to understand your idea of real self and

awareness,

> maybe we can exchange each other's point of view,

> >

> > maybe we do this offlist and send the results to the group,

what

> do you think?

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> > Of course we can also discuss onlist, to me it doesn't matter,

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> > as I understand you,

> >

> > your understanding of the real self is that if the imaginery

> self realises real self, it disappears into nothingness, correct?

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> >

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> > My understanding is different,

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> > If the mirror is identified as the real self,

> >

> > then every creature, every object, every thing is real self,

> >

> > because in the mirror, everything is real, not just the

personal

> body, also all the others, ...

> >

> > understand my point of view?

> >

> > Lu

> >

> >

> > PS: Note New formulated question below:

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> > " when there is this awareness the mirror can be " identified " as

> the real Self. "

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> > how can the Real Mirror tell,

> > which image is Self?

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> >

> what is seen in the mirror even if the mirror is pefectly pure and

> clean...is not the real Self...

> what is reflected in the mirror is mere reflections

>

> its like the clouds in the sky

> you are the sky...and the clouds are in you...few or many does not

> affect the sky...

> when you are no longer so interrested in the clouds or the

> reflections you no longer feed them and they start being

> unimportant...

> and this is leaving you alone in your purity...

> ...iietsa

 

 

real Self...let things appear....

 

like the mirror is necessary for things to be reflected....

 

but the mirror itself.....is not this things

 

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

 

you say that the mirror is not the things it reflects,

 

in other words,

 

The real self is not the things it reflects,

 

is this your final viewpoint/decision?

 

Or can we twist your viewpoint of the mirror around into the exact opposite?

 

The exact opposite would be that the mirror is all things it reflects,

 

or the real self is all things it reflects?

 

 

What do you think?