Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Trying to understand Absolute, consciousness, universal consciousness and personnel consciousness and God and others and whys and how`s etc.... One cannot. It always stays in the realm of intellectual knowledge. it is only smoke, dissipating.... But one can be part of, melt in that <I am>, the unchangeable aspect that hold you, There...everything is, Maybe still latent, or potent. Melting there, all falls in place, And is in place. Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 As J. Krishnamurti put it... " You (or One) cannot know the unknown. But you (one) can become it. " Of course this has to be seen in a special way! :-) Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > As J. Krishnamurti put it... " You (or One) cannot know the unknown. But you (one) can become it. " Of course this has to be seen in a special way! :-) > > Michael > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > Trying to understand Absolute, consciousness, universal consciousness and personnel consciousness and God and others and whys and how`s etc.... > One cannot. > It always stays in the realm of intellectual knowledge. > it is only smoke, dissipating.... > > But one can be part of, melt in that <I am>, the unchangeable aspect that hold you, > There...everything is, > Maybe still latent, or potent. > Melting there, all falls in place, > And is in place. > > > > Patricia > ....yes.....intellectual knowledge.....is " only smoke... " " melting there, all falls in place, and is in place " ...... .....because there is/are no " other " places......existing.... few words only Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of an experience which only the experiencer can understand but which he cannot describe adequately. Silver Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > Trying to understand Absolute, consciousness, universal consciousness and personnel consciousness and God and others and whys and how`s etc.... > One cannot. > It always stays in the realm of intellectual knowledge. > it is only smoke, dissipating.... > > But one can be part of, melt in that <I am>, the unchangeable aspect that hold you, > There...everything is, > Maybe still latent, or potent. > Melting there, all falls in place, > And is in place. > > > > Patricia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069 wrote: > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of an > experience which only the experiencer can understand but which he > cannot describe adequately. > Silver > thus spake the philosopher ~ zorathustra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069@> wrote: > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of an > > experience which only the experiencer can understand but which he > > cannot describe adequately. > > Silver > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > ~ zorathustra und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not helpen but write zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is thinken, " hey, I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill make great movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, und get very bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own spaze odyzzey fer 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of der movie very soon yah? ..........Hal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069@> wrote: > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of an > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand but which he > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not helpen but write > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is thinken, " hey, > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill make great > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, und get very > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own spaze odyzzey fer > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of der movie very > soon yah? > > ..........Hal > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream what hal is saying is that like him the destruction is always an inside job: siva advaita garden of eden oedipus rex 1939 1941 gulf of tankin 2001 911 ~ freud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of an > > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand but which he > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not helpen but write > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is thinken, " hey, > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill make great > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, und get very > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own spaze odyzzey fer > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of der movie very > > soon yah? > > > > ..........Hal > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > what hal is saying is that like him the destruction is > always an inside job: > > > siva > advaita > garden of eden > oedipus rex > 1939 > 1941 > gulf of tankin > 2001 > 911 > > ~ freud ouch!...... ~ friend ps: September 11: 1919......US marines invade Honduras 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The Pentagon. 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of William F. Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army arrives in Vietnam. 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General Augusto Pinochet topples the democratically elected President Salvador Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally televised speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to the U.S. Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible impeachable offenses. 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum meeting in Melbourne, Australia. 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of Alexandria and his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash outside Mount Athos, Greece. 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to military rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? ............bob pps....some of these were cheerful. ...........Morely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of an > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand but > which he > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not helpen but > write > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is > thinken, " hey, > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill make > great > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, und get > very > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own spaze > odyzzey fer > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of der movie > very > > > soon yah? > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > what hal is saying is that like him the destruction is > > always an inside job: > > > > > > siva > > advaita > > garden of eden > > oedipus rex > > 1939 > > 1941 > > gulf of tankin > > 2001 > > 911 > > > > ~ freud > > > > ouch!...... > > ~ friend > > ps: > > September 11: > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The Pentagon. > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of William F. > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army arrives in > Vietnam. > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General Augusto > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President Salvador > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally televised > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to the U.S. > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible impeachable > offenses. > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum meeting in > Melbourne, Australia. > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of Alexandria and > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash outside > Mount Athos, Greece. > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to military > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > ............bob > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > ...........Morely > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good news. you can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same river. there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. stay there, palindrome. all passion is a departure. ~ heraclitus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver- 1069@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of an > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand but > > which he > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not helpen but > > write > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is > > thinken, " hey, > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill make > > great > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, und get > > very > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own spaze > > odyzzey fer > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of der movie > > very > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > what hal is saying is that like him the destruction is > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > siva > > > advaita > > > garden of eden > > > oedipus rex > > > 1939 > > > 1941 > > > gulf of tankin > > > 2001 > > > 911 > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > ~ friend > > > > ps: > > > > September 11: > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The Pentagon. > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of William F. > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army arrives in > > Vietnam. > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General Augusto > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President Salvador > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally televised > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to the U.S. > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible impeachable > > offenses. > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum meeting in > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of Alexandria and > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash outside > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to military > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good news. you > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same river. > there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. stay there, > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > ~ heraclitus what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and Pee-Wee and the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am home.......but I'm not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the battle.....but I don't have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and everything for sure heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy obtaining....or let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and terrorists, and terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love but if you say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding a partner to dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the alone to the Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. ....Kant.... who can't buy your line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver- > 1069@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of > an > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand but > > > which he > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not helpen > but > > > write > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill make > > > great > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, und > get > > > very > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own spaze > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of der > movie > > > very > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the destruction > is > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > advaita > > > > garden of eden > > > > oedipus rex > > > > 1939 > > > > 1941 > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > 2001 > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The Pentagon. > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of William F. > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army arrives > in > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General Augusto > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President Salvador > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally > televised > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to the > U.S. > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible > impeachable > > > offenses. > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum meeting > in > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of Alexandria > and > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash outside > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to military > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good news. you > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same river. > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. stay > there, > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and Pee-Wee and > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am home.......but I'm > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the battle.....but I don't > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and everything for sure > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy obtaining....or > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and terrorists, and > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love but if you > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding a partner to > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the alone to the > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your line > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the ground. like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, from here. ~ james jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver- > > 1069@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the description of > > an > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand but > > > > which he > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not helpen > > but > > > > write > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill make > > > > great > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, und > > get > > > > very > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own spaze > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of der > > movie > > > > very > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the destruction > > is > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > advaita > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > 1939 > > > > > 1941 > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > 2001 > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The Pentagon. > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of William F. > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army arrives > > in > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General Augusto > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President Salvador > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally > > televised > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to the > > U.S. > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible > > impeachable > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum meeting > > in > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of Alexandria > > and > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash outside > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to military > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good news. you > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same river. > > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. stay > > there, > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and Pee-Wee and > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am home.......but I'm > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the battle.....but I don't > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and everything for sure > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy obtaining....or > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and terrorists, and > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love but if you > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding a partner to > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the alone to the > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your line > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the ground. > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. > > serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > from here. > > ~ james jones this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc immolated himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually protesting religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not the war. Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US action there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path and showing of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found vietnamese dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm and the music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and Beirut must be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California Girls that we wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em and like 'em just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and melted tent plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all just a dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not bound by duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by what is fact in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet I would like to come off......for you it seems different, and that's OK with me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something here. .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver- > > > 1069@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the > description of > > > an > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand > but > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not > helpen > > > but > > > > > write > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill > make > > > > > great > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, > und > > > get > > > > > very > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own > spaze > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of > der > > > movie > > > > > very > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the destruction > > > is > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of William > F. > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army > arrives > > > in > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General > Augusto > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President > Salvador > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally > > > televised > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to > the > > > U.S. > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible > > > impeachable > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum > meeting > > > in > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of > Alexandria > > > and > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash > outside > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to > military > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good > news. you > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same river. > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. stay > > > there, > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and Pee-Wee > and > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am home.......but > I'm > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the battle.....but I > don't > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and everything for > sure > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > obtaining....or > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and terrorists, and > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love but if > you > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding a > partner to > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the alone to > the > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your line > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the ground. > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > from here. > > > > ~ james jones > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc immolated > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually protesting > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not the war. > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US action > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path and showing > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found vietnamese > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm and the > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and Beirut must > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California Girls that we > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em and like 'em > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and melted tent > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all just a > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not bound by > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by what is fact > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet I would > like to come off......for you it seems different, and that's OK with > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something here. > > .........bob > you're certainly missing my vibe, rageman. get out a' the cage, man. are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? no, so, for you here, now tis just a abstraction, no real action, man. all rage and horror here towing the company line pulled by the media motor. there's no way around the worst life has to offer 'cept through it in love or forever relive your reSistence to love -- thAt's the rEal terRor -- my white wide flying dove of honor. ~ buddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver- > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the > > description of > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can understand > > but > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could not > > helpen > > > > but > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik is > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I vill > > make > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis movie, > > und > > > > get > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own > > spaze > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink of > > der > > > > movie > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the destruction > > > > is > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of William > > F. > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army > > arrives > > > > in > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General > > Augusto > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President > > Salvador > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally > > > > televised > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report to > > the > > > > U.S. > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible > > > > impeachable > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum > > meeting > > > > in > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of > > Alexandria > > > > and > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash > > outside > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to > > military > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good > > news. you > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same river. > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. stay > > > > there, > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and Pee- Wee > > and > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am home.......but > > I'm > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the battle.....but I > > don't > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and everything for > > sure > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > > obtaining....or > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and terrorists, and > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love but if > > you > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding a > > partner to > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the alone to > > the > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the ground. > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc immolated > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually protesting > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not the war. > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US action > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path and showing > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found vietnamese > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm and the > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and Beirut must > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California Girls that we > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em and like 'em > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and melted tent > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all just a > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not bound by > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by what is fact > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet I would > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and that's OK with > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something here. > > > > .........bob > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > rageman. > > get out a' the cage, man. > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > no, so, for you > > here, now > > tis just a abstraction, > > no real action, man. > > all rage and horror > > here towing the company line > > pulled by the media motor. > > there's no way around the worst > > life has to offer > > 'cept through it in love > > or forever relive your reSistence > > to love -- > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > my white > > wide flying dove > > of honor. > > > ~ buddha it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor christ. I know it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your love is dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you have some friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a swinngin' good time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you aren't at the bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of your life goes raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that one., my rage may very well be engendered. for someone who professes all you need is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. the mortal coil of buddhas everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > <silver- > > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the > > > description of > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can > understand > > > but > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could > not > > > helpen > > > > > but > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik > is > > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I > vill > > > make > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis > movie, > > > und > > > > > get > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own > > > spaze > > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink > of > > > der > > > > > movie > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the > destruction > > > > > is > > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The > Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of > William > > > F. > > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army > > > arrives > > > > > in > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General > > > Augusto > > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President > > > Salvador > > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally > > > > > televised > > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove > Iraqi > > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report > to > > > the > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible > > > > > impeachable > > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum > > > meeting > > > > > in > > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of > > > Alexandria > > > > > and > > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash > > > outside > > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to > > > military > > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good > > > news. you > > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same > river. > > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. > stay > > > > > there, > > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and Pee- > Wee > > > and > > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am > home.......but > > > I'm > > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the battle.....but I > > > don't > > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and everything > for > > > sure > > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > > > obtaining....or > > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and terrorists, > and > > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love but > if > > > you > > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding a > > > partner to > > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the alone > to > > > the > > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the > ground. > > > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. > > > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. > > > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc > immolated > > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually protesting > > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not the > war. > > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US action > > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path and > showing > > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found > vietnamese > > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm and the > > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and Beirut > must > > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California Girls that > we > > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em and > like 'em > > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and melted tent > > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all just a > > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not bound > by > > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by what is > fact > > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet I would > > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and that's OK > with > > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something here. > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > > > rageman. > > > > get out a' the cage, man. > > > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > > > no, so, for you > > > > here, now > > > > tis just a abstraction, > > > > no real action, man. > > > > all rage and horror > > > > here towing the company line > > > > pulled by the media motor. > > > > there's no way around the worst > > > > life has to offer > > > > 'cept through it in love > > > > or forever relive your reSistence > > > > to love -- > > > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > > > my white > > > > wide flying dove > > > > of honor. > > > > > > ~ buddha > > > it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor christ. I know > it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your love is > dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you have some > friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a swinngin' good > time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you aren't at the > bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of your life goes > raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that one., my rage > may very well be engendered. for someone who professes all you need > is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. > > the mortal coil of buddhas everywhere > the cold coiled cobra i am not and buddha and christ are your knot for here and now they're all but forgot this is all we've got and my answer, kind sir, is YeS, i celebrate hell and high water no matter what others say 's the matter 's all all all sacred and acrid or it's nothing at all and my love today will simply fall with the banquet tray if i let time have such sway i'm here forever without your hot/cold fever my heart is warm most open to my soul so to relieve and receive her ~ christ and the buddha disbeliever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > > <silver- > > > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the > > > > description of > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can > > understand > > > > but > > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und could > > not > > > > helpen > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr Kubrik > > is > > > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und I > > vill > > > > make > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis > > movie, > > > > und > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir own > > > > spaze > > > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da beginink > > of > > > > der > > > > > > movie > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the > > destruction > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The > > Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of > > William > > > > F. > > > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States Army > > > > arrives > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by General > > > > Augusto > > > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President > > > > Salvador > > > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally > > > > > > televised > > > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a report > > to > > > > the > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 possible > > > > > > impeachable > > > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic Forum > > > > meeting > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of > > > > Alexandria > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter crash > > > > outside > > > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end to > > > > military > > > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is good > > > > news. you > > > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the same > > river. > > > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart is. > > stay > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and Pee- > > Wee > > > > and > > > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am > > home.......but > > > > I'm > > > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the battle.....but I > > > > don't > > > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and everything > > for > > > > sure > > > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > > > > obtaining....or > > > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and terrorists, > > and > > > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love but > > if > > > > you > > > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding a > > > > partner to > > > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the alone > > to > > > > the > > > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > > > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the > > ground. > > > > > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. > > > > > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. > > > > > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc > > immolated > > > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually protesting > > > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not the > > war. > > > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US action > > > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path and > > showing > > > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found > > vietnamese > > > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm and the > > > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and Beirut > > must > > > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California Girls that > > we > > > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em and > > like 'em > > > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and melted tent > > > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all just a > > > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not bound > > by > > > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by what is > > fact > > > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet I would > > > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and that's OK > > with > > > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something here. > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > > > > > rageman. > > > > > > get out a' the cage, man. > > > > > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > > > > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > > > > > no, so, for you > > > > > > here, now > > > > > > tis just a abstraction, > > > > > > no real action, man. > > > > > > all rage and horror > > > > > > here towing the company line > > > > > > pulled by the media motor. > > > > > > there's no way around the worst > > > > > > life has to offer > > > > > > 'cept through it in love > > > > > > or forever relive your reSistence > > > > > > to love -- > > > > > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > > > > > my white > > > > > > wide flying dove > > > > > > of honor. > > > > > > > > > ~ buddha > > > > > > it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor christ. I know > > it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your love is > > dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you have some > > friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a swinngin' good > > time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you aren't at the > > bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of your life goes > > raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that one., my rage > > may very well be engendered. for someone who professes all you need > > is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. > > > > the mortal coil of buddhas everywhere > > > > > the cold coiled cobra > > i am not > > and buddha and christ > > are your knot > > for here and now > > they're all but forgot > > this > > is all we've got > > and my answer, > > kind sir, > > is YeS, > > i celebrate hell and high water > > no matter > > what others say 's the matter > > 's all all all sacred and acrid > > or it's nothing at all > > and my love today > > will simply fall > > with the banquet tray > > if i let time have such sway > > i'm here forever > > without your hot/cold fever > > my heart is warm > > most open > > to my soul so > > to relieve and receive her > > > > ~ christ and the buddha disbeliever this does not answer anything.......and why believe in love? what does 'love' have that every other thing doesn't. frankly on a loftier level(metaphoric usage) than you dwell 'That' which 'IS', is completely indiferent to anything.....including love....that is just more crap in the Final, First and Ever Incidence. just more grist for the mill to be ground into Nothing through which, by which and from whence it emerges. Love signifies absolutely nothing, and saying that love is what is ...is just more delusion. feelings of warmth and receptiveness, just like thoughts of sacredness and profanity devotions to christ and buddha are the same same...disbelieving in love as well as buddha and christ, I remain and serve that nothing in everything and laugh hardily at that which does or does not. and while I play the game, I play as if it mattered, yet have ken without knowing that it's all for naught, not, and is knotted with illusions of granduer for all and sundry. And don't feel relieved (of what?) nor wait to receive....it's not forthcoming, it is already the case. without soul or warmth, rage or heat, without you or me, or they or that, or even 'it' itself......no words, no feelings, no bullshit. ...........bob the blind to the blind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > As J. Krishnamurti put it... " You (or One) cannot know the unknown. > But you (one) can become it. " Of course this has to be seen in a > special way! :-) > > > > Michael > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > > > <silver- > > > > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the > > > > > description of > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can > > > understand > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und > could > > > not > > > > > helpen > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr > Kubrik > > > is > > > > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und > I > > > vill > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis > > > movie, > > > > > und > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir > own > > > > > spaze > > > > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da > beginink > > > of > > > > > der > > > > > > > movie > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the > > > destruction > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The > > > Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of > > > William > > > > > F. > > > > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me > Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States > Army > > > > > arrives > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by > General > > > > > Augusto > > > > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President > > > > > Salvador > > > > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on > HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a > nationally > > > > > > > televised > > > > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to > remove > > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently > invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a > report > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 > possible > > > > > > > impeachable > > > > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic > Forum > > > > > meeting > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of > > > > > Alexandria > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter > crash > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end > to > > > > > military > > > > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is > good > > > > > news. you > > > > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the > same > > > river. > > > > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart > is. > > > stay > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and > Pee- > > > Wee > > > > > and > > > > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am > > > home.......but > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the > battle.....but I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and > everything > > > for > > > > > sure > > > > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > > > > > obtaining....or > > > > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and > terrorists, > > > and > > > > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love > but > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding > a > > > > > partner to > > > > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the > alone > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > > > > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your > line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the > > > ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. > > > > > > > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. > > > > > > > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > > > > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc > > > immolated > > > > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually protesting > > > > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not the > > > war. > > > > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US > action > > > > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path and > > > showing > > > > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found > > > vietnamese > > > > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm and > the > > > > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and > Beirut > > > must > > > > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California Girls > that > > > we > > > > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em and > > > like 'em > > > > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > > > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and melted > tent > > > > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all > just a > > > > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not > bound > > > by > > > > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by what > is > > > fact > > > > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet I > would > > > > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and that's > OK > > > with > > > > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something here. > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > > > > > > > rageman. > > > > > > > > get out a' the cage, man. > > > > > > > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > > > > > > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > > > > > > > no, so, for you > > > > > > > > here, now > > > > > > > > tis just a abstraction, > > > > > > > > no real action, man. > > > > > > > > all rage and horror > > > > > > > > here towing the company line > > > > > > > > pulled by the media motor. > > > > > > > > there's no way around the worst > > > > > > > > life has to offer > > > > > > > > 'cept through it in love > > > > > > > > or forever relive your reSistence > > > > > > > > to love -- > > > > > > > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > > > > > > > my white > > > > > > > > wide flying dove > > > > > > > > of honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ buddha > > > > > > > > > it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor christ. I > know > > > it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your love is > > > dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you have some > > > friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a swinngin' good > > > time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you aren't at > the > > > bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of your life > goes > > > raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that one., my > rage > > > may very well be engendered. for someone who professes all you > need > > > is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. > > > > > > the mortal coil of buddhas everywhere > > > > > > > > > the cold coiled cobra > > > > i am not > > > > and buddha and christ > > > > are your knot > > > > for here and now > > > > they're all but forgot > > > > this > > > > is all we've got > > > > and my answer, > > > > kind sir, > > > > is YeS, > > > > i celebrate hell and high water > > > > no matter > > > > what others say 's the matter > > > > 's all all all sacred and acrid > > > > or it's nothing at all > > > > and my love today > > > > will simply fall > > > > with the banquet tray > > > > if i let time have such sway > > > > i'm here forever > > > > without your hot/cold fever > > > > my heart is warm > > > > most open > > > > to my soul so > > > > to relieve and receive her > > > > > > > > ~ christ and the buddha disbeliever > > > this does not answer anything.......and why believe in love? what > does 'love' have that every other thing doesn't. frankly on a loftier > level(metaphoric usage) than you dwell 'That' which 'IS', is > completely indiferent to anything.....including love....that is just > more crap in the Final, First and Ever Incidence. just more grist for > the mill to be ground into Nothing through which, by which and from > whence it emerges. Love signifies absolutely nothing, and saying that > love is what is ...is just more delusion. feelings of warmth and > receptiveness, just like thoughts of sacredness and profanity > devotions to christ and buddha are the same same...disbelieving in > love as well as buddha and christ, I remain and serve that nothing in > everything and laugh hardily at that which does or does not. and > while I play the game, I play as if it mattered, yet have ken without > knowing that it's all for naught, not, and is knotted with illusions > of granduer for all and sundry. And don't feel relieved (of what?) > nor wait to receive....it's not forthcoming, it is already the case. > without soul or warmth, rage or heat, without you or me, or they or > that, or even 'it' itself......no words, no feelings, no bullshit. > > ...........bob > > the blind to the blind > you don't know what you believe, that's for sure........ and there's nothing " wrong " with that, either. but if everything and everyone is blind, then, everyone is also enlightened. that's as obvious as all your logic. is your logic. so, you call yourself and others blind because, it is you who does, in fact, believe yourself to be blind. i only say that you don't know what you believe because you will say and believe something completely different -- in your very own opinion -- any minute, now. whereas i can, in contrast, say and mean what i say, for more than a few minutes. is that good? only if in my own opinion, not in yours, i believe it to be good. for me, it's good. you in contrast, are yourself saying that what you belleve is not good: blind. so, i'm merely taking you for your own word. ~ the enlightened to the enlightened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Silver " > > > > <silver- > > > > > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about the > > > > > > description of > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can > > > > understand > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und > > could > > > > not > > > > > > helpen > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr > > Kubrik > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay und > > I > > > > vill > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee dis > > > > movie, > > > > > > und > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan dzeir > > own > > > > > > spaze > > > > > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da > > beginink > > > > of > > > > > > der > > > > > > > > movie > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this dream > > > > > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the > > > > destruction > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The > > > > Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at home of > > > > William > > > > > > F. > > > > > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, Love Me > > Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United States > > Army > > > > > > arrives > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by > > General > > > > > > Augusto > > > > > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected President > > > > > > Salvador > > > > > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special on > > HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a > > nationally > > > > > > > > televised > > > > > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to > > remove > > > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently > > invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a > > report > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 > > possible > > > > > > > > impeachable > > > > > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World Economic > > Forum > > > > > > meeting > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch of > > > > > > Alexandria > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained helicopter > > crash > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an end > > to > > > > > > military > > > > > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news is > > good > > > > > > news. you > > > > > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the > > same > > > > river. > > > > > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the heart > > is. > > > > stay > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles and > > Pee- > > > > Wee > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am > > > > home.......but > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the > > battle.....but I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and > > everything > > > > for > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > > > > > > obtaining....or > > > > > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and > > terrorists, > > > > and > > > > > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all Love > > but > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time finding > > a > > > > > > partner to > > > > > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from the > > alone > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is not > > > > > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy your > > line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to the > > > > ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere abstractions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc > > > > immolated > > > > > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually protesting > > > > > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not the > > > > war. > > > > > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US > > action > > > > > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path and > > > > showing > > > > > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found > > > > vietnamese > > > > > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm and > > the > > > > > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and > > Beirut > > > > must > > > > > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California Girls > > that > > > > we > > > > > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em and > > > > like 'em > > > > > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > > > > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and melted > > tent > > > > > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all > > just a > > > > > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not > > bound > > > > by > > > > > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by what > > is > > > > fact > > > > > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet I > > would > > > > > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and that's > > OK > > > > with > > > > > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something here. > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > > > > > > > > > rageman. > > > > > > > > > > get out a' the cage, man. > > > > > > > > > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > > > > > > > > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > > > > > > > > > no, so, for you > > > > > > > > > > here, now > > > > > > > > > > tis just a abstraction, > > > > > > > > > > no real action, man. > > > > > > > > > > all rage and horror > > > > > > > > > > here towing the company line > > > > > > > > > > pulled by the media motor. > > > > > > > > > > there's no way around the worst > > > > > > > > > > life has to offer > > > > > > > > > > 'cept through it in love > > > > > > > > > > or forever relive your reSistence > > > > > > > > > > to love -- > > > > > > > > > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > > > > > > > > > my white > > > > > > > > > > wide flying dove > > > > > > > > > > of honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor christ. I > > know > > > > it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your love is > > > > dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you have some > > > > friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a swinngin' good > > > > time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you aren't at > > the > > > > bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of your life > > goes > > > > raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that one., my > > rage > > > > may very well be engendered. for someone who professes all you > > need > > > > is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. > > > > > > > > the mortal coil of buddhas everywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cold coiled cobra > > > > > > i am not > > > > > > and buddha and christ > > > > > > are your knot > > > > > > for here and now > > > > > > they're all but forgot > > > > > > this > > > > > > is all we've got > > > > > > and my answer, > > > > > > kind sir, > > > > > > is YeS, > > > > > > i celebrate hell and high water > > > > > > no matter > > > > > > what others say 's the matter > > > > > > 's all all all sacred and acrid > > > > > > or it's nothing at all > > > > > > and my love today > > > > > > will simply fall > > > > > > with the banquet tray > > > > > > if i let time have such sway > > > > > > i'm here forever > > > > > > without your hot/cold fever > > > > > > my heart is warm > > > > > > most open > > > > > > to my soul so > > > > > > to relieve and receive her > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ christ and the buddha disbeliever > > > > > > this does not answer anything.......and why believe in love? what > > does 'love' have that every other thing doesn't. frankly on a loftier > > level(metaphoric usage) than you dwell 'That' which 'IS', is > > completely indiferent to anything.....including love....that is just > > more crap in the Final, First and Ever Incidence. just more grist for > > the mill to be ground into Nothing through which, by which and from > > whence it emerges. Love signifies absolutely nothing, and saying that > > love is what is ...is just more delusion. feelings of warmth and > > receptiveness, just like thoughts of sacredness and profanity > > devotions to christ and buddha are the same same...disbelieving in > > love as well as buddha and christ, I remain and serve that nothing in > > everything and laugh hardily at that which does or does not. and > > while I play the game, I play as if it mattered, yet have ken without > > knowing that it's all for naught, not, and is knotted with illusions > > of granduer for all and sundry. And don't feel relieved (of what?) > > nor wait to receive....it's not forthcoming, it is already the case. > > without soul or warmth, rage or heat, without you or me, or they or > > that, or even 'it' itself......no words, no feelings, no bullshit. > > > > ...........bob > > > > the blind to the blind > > > > > you don't know what you believe, that's for sure........ this is called 'psychological projection' a common problem among those who know not what they believe. I on the other hand, have stated in a direct manner that I believe in nothing. > and there's nothing " wrong " with that, either. natch. > but if everything and everyone is blind, then, everyone is also > enlightened. that's as obvious as all your logic. is your logic. say what!.....by who's logic does this hold? if everyone on an island is black skinned, then they are also white skinned is a statement that can only be considered 'obvious' by the most befuddled and wooly- minded sort of thinking or thinker. > so, you call yourself and others blind because, it is you who does, > in fact, believe yourself to be blind. I reiterate.....I believe nothing. > i only say that you don't know what you believe because you will say > and believe something completely different -- in your very own opinion > -- any minute, now. this seems to be your problem. > whereas i can, in contrast, say and mean what i say, for more than a > few minutes. is that good? no such thing as 'good'. and you seem to hold a lofty opinion of yourself and thinking patterns, if you think your thoughts on any particular pattern or linear feature of thought is either good or bad. > only if in my own opinion, not in yours, i believe it to be good. for > me, it's good. you in contrast, are yourself saying that what you > belleve is not good: where in the above post or on this green earth do I say that. your disingenuous attempt at putting words in my mouth or thoughts in my words that are not even found in any sort of context, relative to your statement here, is not going to work. > > so, i'm merely taking you for your own word. don't take me at anything. don't believe anything. > ~ the enlightened to the enlightened delusional. 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Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > > > > > <silver- > > > > > > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about > the > > > > > > > description of > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can > > > > > understand > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und > > > could > > > > > not > > > > > > > helpen > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr > > > Kubrik > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay > und > > > I > > > > > vill > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee > dis > > > > > movie, > > > > > > > und > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan > dzeir > > > own > > > > > > > spaze > > > > > > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da > > > beginink > > > > > of > > > > > > > der > > > > > > > > > movie > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the > > > > > destruction > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The > > > > > Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at > home of > > > > > William > > > > > > > F. > > > > > > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, > Love Me > > > Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United > States > > > Army > > > > > > > arrives > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by > > > General > > > > > > > Augusto > > > > > > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected > President > > > > > > > Salvador > > > > > > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special > on > > > HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a > > > nationally > > > > > > > > > televised > > > > > > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to > > > remove > > > > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently > > > invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a > > > report > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 > > > possible > > > > > > > > > impeachable > > > > > > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World > Economic > > > Forum > > > > > > > meeting > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch > of > > > > > > > Alexandria > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained > helicopter > > > crash > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an > end > > > to > > > > > > > military > > > > > > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of > occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news > is > > > good > > > > > > > news. you > > > > > > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the > > > same > > > > > river. > > > > > > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the > heart > > > is. > > > > > stay > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles > and > > > Pee- > > > > > Wee > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am > > > > > home.......but > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the > > > battle.....but I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and > > > everything > > > > > for > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > > > > > > > obtaining....or > > > > > > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and > > > terrorists, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all > Love > > > but > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time > finding > > > a > > > > > > > partner to > > > > > > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from > the > > > alone > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is > not > > > > > > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of > Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy > your > > > line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to > the > > > > > ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere > abstractions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc > > > > > immolated > > > > > > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually > protesting > > > > > > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not > the > > > > > war. > > > > > > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US > > > action > > > > > > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path > and > > > > > showing > > > > > > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found > > > > > vietnamese > > > > > > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm > and > > > the > > > > > > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and > > > Beirut > > > > > must > > > > > > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California > Girls > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em > and > > > > > like 'em > > > > > > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > > > > > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and > melted > > > tent > > > > > > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all > > > just a > > > > > > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not > > > bound > > > > > by > > > > > > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by > what > > > is > > > > > fact > > > > > > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet > I > > > would > > > > > > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and > that's > > > OK > > > > > with > > > > > > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > > > > > > > > > > > rageman. > > > > > > > > > > > > get out a' the cage, man. > > > > > > > > > > > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > > > > > > > > > > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > > > > > > > > > > > no, so, for you > > > > > > > > > > > > here, now > > > > > > > > > > > > tis just a abstraction, > > > > > > > > > > > > no real action, man. > > > > > > > > > > > > all rage and horror > > > > > > > > > > > > here towing the company line > > > > > > > > > > > > pulled by the media motor. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's no way around the worst > > > > > > > > > > > > life has to offer > > > > > > > > > > > > 'cept through it in love > > > > > > > > > > > > or forever relive your reSistence > > > > > > > > > > > > to love -- > > > > > > > > > > > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > > > > > > > > > > > my white > > > > > > > > > > > > wide flying dove > > > > > > > > > > > > of honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor christ. I > > > know > > > > > it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your love > is > > > > > dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you have > some > > > > > friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a swinngin' > good > > > > > time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you > aren't at > > > the > > > > > bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of your > life > > > goes > > > > > raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that one., > my > > > rage > > > > > may very well be engendered. for someone who professes all > you > > > need > > > > > is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. > > > > > > > > > > the mortal coil of buddhas > everywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cold coiled cobra > > > > > > > > i am not > > > > > > > > and buddha and christ > > > > > > > > are your knot > > > > > > > > for here and now > > > > > > > > they're all but forgot > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is all we've got > > > > > > > > and my answer, > > > > > > > > kind sir, > > > > > > > > is YeS, > > > > > > > > i celebrate hell and high water > > > > > > > > no matter > > > > > > > > what others say 's the matter > > > > > > > > 's all all all sacred and acrid > > > > > > > > or it's nothing at all > > > > > > > > and my love today > > > > > > > > will simply fall > > > > > > > > with the banquet tray > > > > > > > > if i let time have such sway > > > > > > > > i'm here forever > > > > > > > > without your hot/cold fever > > > > > > > > my heart is warm > > > > > > > > most open > > > > > > > > to my soul so > > > > > > > > to relieve and receive her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ christ and the buddha disbeliever > > > > > > > > > this does not answer anything.......and why believe in love? what > > > does 'love' have that every other thing doesn't. frankly on a > loftier > > > level(metaphoric usage) than you dwell 'That' which 'IS', is > > > completely indiferent to anything.....including love....that is > just > > > more crap in the Final, First and Ever Incidence. just more grist > for > > > the mill to be ground into Nothing through which, by which and > from > > > whence it emerges. Love signifies absolutely nothing, and saying > that > > > love is what is ...is just more delusion. feelings of warmth and > > > receptiveness, just like thoughts of sacredness and profanity > > > devotions to christ and buddha are the same same...disbelieving > in > > > love as well as buddha and christ, I remain and serve that > nothing in > > > everything and laugh hardily at that which does or does not. and > > > while I play the game, I play as if it mattered, yet have ken > without > > > knowing that it's all for naught, not, and is knotted with > illusions > > > of granduer for all and sundry. And don't feel relieved (of > what?) > > > nor wait to receive....it's not forthcoming, it is already the > case. > > > without soul or warmth, rage or heat, without you or me, or they > or > > > that, or even 'it' itself......no words, no feelings, no bullshit. > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > the blind to the blind > > > > > > > > > you don't know what you believe, that's for sure........ > > > this is called 'psychological projection' a common problem among > those who know not what they believe. I on the other hand, have > stated in a direct manner that I believe in nothing. > > > and there's nothing " wrong " with that, either. > > > natch. > > > > but if everything and everyone is blind, then, everyone is also > > enlightened. that's as obvious as all your logic. is your logic. > > > say what!.....by who's logic does this hold? if everyone on an island > is black skinned, then they are also white skinned is a statement > that can only be considered 'obvious' by the most befuddled and wooly- > minded sort of thinking or thinker. > > > > so, you call yourself and others blind because, it is you who > does, > > in fact, believe yourself to be blind. > > > I reiterate.....I believe nothing. > > > > i only say that you don't know what you believe because you will say > > and believe something completely different -- in your very own > opinion > > -- any minute, now. > > > this seems to be your problem. > > > > whereas i can, in contrast, say and mean what i say, for more than a > > few minutes. is that good? > > > no such thing as 'good'. and you seem to hold a lofty opinion of > yourself and thinking patterns, if you think your thoughts on any > particular pattern or linear feature of thought is either good or bad. > > > > only if in my own opinion, not in yours, i believe it to be good. > for > > me, it's good. you in contrast, are yourself saying that what you > > belleve is not good: > > > where in the above post or on this green earth do I say that. your > disingenuous attempt at putting words in my mouth or thoughts in my > words that are not even found in any sort of context, relative to > your statement here, is not going to work. > > > > > so, i'm merely taking you for your own word. > > > don't take me at anything. don't believe anything. > > > > ~ the enlightened to the enlightened > > > delusional. > if anyone needed their ass kicked by judi, you do ~ judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > > > > > > <silver- > > > > > > > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes about > > the > > > > > > > > description of > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer can > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, und > > > > could > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > helpen > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den Herr > > > > Kubrik > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a zcreeplay > > und > > > > I > > > > > > vill > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia zee > > dis > > > > > > movie, > > > > > > > > und > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und plan > > dzeir > > > > own > > > > > > > > spaze > > > > > > > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from da > > > > beginink > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > der > > > > > > > > > > movie > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret this > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the > > > > > > destruction > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of The > > > > > > Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at > > home of > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > F. > > > > > > > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, > > Love Me > > > > Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United > > States > > > > Army > > > > > > > > arrives > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed by > > > > General > > > > > > > > Augusto > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected > > President > > > > > > > > Salvador > > > > > > > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost 17 > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a special > > on > > > > HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a > > > > nationally > > > > > > > > > > televised > > > > > > > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force to > > > > remove > > > > > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently > > > > invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr sends a > > > > report > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of 11 > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > impeachable > > > > > > > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World > > Economic > > > > Forum > > > > > > > > meeting > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) Patriarch > > of > > > > > > > > Alexandria > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained > > helicopter > > > > crash > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially declares an > > end > > > > to > > > > > > > > military > > > > > > > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of > > occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no news > > is > > > > good > > > > > > > > news. you > > > > > > > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all the > > > > same > > > > > > river. > > > > > > > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the > > heart > > > > is. > > > > > > stay > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The Beatles > > and > > > > Pee- > > > > > > Wee > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am > > > > > > home.......but > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the > > > > battle.....but I > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and > > > > everything > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not mutualy > > > > > > > > obtaining....or > > > > > > > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and > > > > terrorists, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's all > > Love > > > > but > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time > > finding > > > > a > > > > > > > > partner to > > > > > > > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even from > > the > > > > alone > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that which is > > not > > > > > > > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part of > > Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't buy > > your > > > > line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned to > > the > > > > > > ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's here, > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere > > abstractions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our reactions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc > > > > > > immolated > > > > > > > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually > > protesting > > > > > > > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, not > > the > > > > > > war. > > > > > > > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the US > > > > action > > > > > > > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened path > > and > > > > > > showing > > > > > > > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys found > > > > > > vietnamese > > > > > > > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of napalm > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad and > > > > Beirut > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California > > Girls > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can love 'em > > and > > > > > > like 'em > > > > > > > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > > > > > > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and > > melted > > > > tent > > > > > > > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's all > > > > just a > > > > > > > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm not > > > > bound > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound by > > what > > > > is > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or sweet > > I > > > > would > > > > > > > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and > > that's > > > > OK > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing something > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rageman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get out a' the cage, man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, so, for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here, now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tis just a abstraction, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no real action, man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all rage and horror > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here towing the company line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pulled by the media motor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's no way around the worst > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life has to offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'cept through it in love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or forever relive your reSistence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to love -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my white > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide flying dove > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor christ. I > > > > know > > > > > > it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your love > > is > > > > > > dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you have > > some > > > > > > friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a swinngin' > > good > > > > > > time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you > > aren't at > > > > the > > > > > > bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of your > > life > > > > goes > > > > > > raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that one., > > my > > > > rage > > > > > > may very well be engendered. for someone who professes all > > you > > > > need > > > > > > is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > the mortal coil of buddhas > > everywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cold coiled cobra > > > > > > > > > > i am not > > > > > > > > > > and buddha and christ > > > > > > > > > > are your knot > > > > > > > > > > for here and now > > > > > > > > > > they're all but forgot > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is all we've got > > > > > > > > > > and my answer, > > > > > > > > > > kind sir, > > > > > > > > > > is YeS, > > > > > > > > > > i celebrate hell and high water > > > > > > > > > > no matter > > > > > > > > > > what others say 's the matter > > > > > > > > > > 's all all all sacred and acrid > > > > > > > > > > or it's nothing at all > > > > > > > > > > and my love today > > > > > > > > > > will simply fall > > > > > > > > > > with the banquet tray > > > > > > > > > > if i let time have such sway > > > > > > > > > > i'm here forever > > > > > > > > > > without your hot/cold fever > > > > > > > > > > my heart is warm > > > > > > > > > > most open > > > > > > > > > > to my soul so > > > > > > > > > > to relieve and receive her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ christ and the buddha disbeliever > > > > > > > > > > > > this does not answer anything.......and why believe in love? what > > > > does 'love' have that every other thing doesn't. frankly on a > > loftier > > > > level(metaphoric usage) than you dwell 'That' which 'IS', is > > > > completely indiferent to anything.....including love....that is > > just > > > > more crap in the Final, First and Ever Incidence. just more grist > > for > > > > the mill to be ground into Nothing through which, by which and > > from > > > > whence it emerges. Love signifies absolutely nothing, and saying > > that > > > > love is what is ...is just more delusion. feelings of warmth and > > > > receptiveness, just like thoughts of sacredness and profanity > > > > devotions to christ and buddha are the same same...disbelieving > > in > > > > love as well as buddha and christ, I remain and serve that > > nothing in > > > > everything and laugh hardily at that which does or does not. and > > > > while I play the game, I play as if it mattered, yet have ken > > without > > > > knowing that it's all for naught, not, and is knotted with > > illusions > > > > of granduer for all and sundry. And don't feel relieved (of > > what?) > > > > nor wait to receive....it's not forthcoming, it is already the > > case. > > > > without soul or warmth, rage or heat, without you or me, or they > > or > > > > that, or even 'it' itself......no words, no feelings, no bullshit. > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > the blind to the blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't know what you believe, that's for sure........ > > > > > > this is called 'psychological projection' a common problem among > > those who know not what they believe. I on the other hand, have > > stated in a direct manner that I believe in nothing. > > > > > and there's nothing " wrong " with that, either. > > > > > > natch. > > > > > > > but if everything and everyone is blind, then, everyone is also > > > enlightened. that's as obvious as all your logic. is your logic. > > > > > > say what!.....by who's logic does this hold? if everyone on an island > > is black skinned, then they are also white skinned is a statement > > that can only be considered 'obvious' by the most befuddled and wooly- > > minded sort of thinking or thinker. > > > > > > > so, you call yourself and others blind because, it is you who > > does, > > > in fact, believe yourself to be blind. > > > > > > I reiterate.....I believe nothing. > > > > > > > i only say that you don't know what you believe because you will say > > > and believe something completely different -- in your very own > > opinion > > > -- any minute, now. > > > > > > this seems to be your problem. > > > > > > > whereas i can, in contrast, say and mean what i say, for more than a > > > few minutes. is that good? > > > > > > no such thing as 'good'. and you seem to hold a lofty opinion of > > yourself and thinking patterns, if you think your thoughts on any > > particular pattern or linear feature of thought is either good or bad. > > > > > > > only if in my own opinion, not in yours, i believe it to be good. > > for > > > me, it's good. you in contrast, are yourself saying that what you > > > belleve is not good: > > > > > > where in the above post or on this green earth do I say that. your > > disingenuous attempt at putting words in my mouth or thoughts in my > > words that are not even found in any sort of context, relative to > > your statement here, is not going to work. > > > > > > > > so, i'm merely taking you for your own word. > > > > > > don't take me at anything. don't believe anything. > > > > > > > ~ the enlightened to the enlightened > > > > > > delusional. > > > > > if anyone needed their ass kicked by judi, you do > > ~ judi nah....judi loved my butt, that was the bit that bag bought by and bye, and why she kicked it off the ranch........she bit the bit, but bit my butt, by being bad because the bull beyond the base of the bitch's brain baffled beauty and the beast she became.....it took balls I tell ya. brahma bull balls. beware the boohoo of the ballyhooed broad, it's voodoo and hoodoo and is her total fraud. buckaroo bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " > > > > > > > <silver- > > > > > > > > > > > 1069@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The philosopher intellectualizes > about > > > the > > > > > > > > > description of > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience which only the experiencer > can > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > which he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot describe adequately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus spake the philosopher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ zorathustra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > und den Richard Strauss 'ear him sprach, > und > > > > > could > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > helpen > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zucch a beautiful piece uv musik yah.Den > Herr > > > > > Kubrik > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinken, " hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vill get Herr Clarke to writen a > zcreeplay > > > und > > > > > I > > > > > > > vill > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movie " ......und den zome guys from Arabia > zee > > > dis > > > > > > > movie, > > > > > > > > > und > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad thoughts on der idea uf '2001' und > plan > > > dzeir > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > spaze > > > > > > > > > > > > > odyzzey fer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2001, und we start all ofer agains from > da > > > > > beginink > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > der > > > > > > > > > > > movie > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon yah? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........Hal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you...... let me interpret > this > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what hal is saying is that like him the > > > > > > > destruction > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always an inside job: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advaita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > garden of eden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oedipus rex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1939 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulf of tankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 911 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ freud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ouch!...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September 11: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1919......US marines invade Honduras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1922 - The British Mandate of Palestine > begins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 - Ground broken for the construction of > The > > > > > > > Pentagon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1960 - Young Americans for Freedom meeting at > > > home of > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > F. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buckley, Jr. promulgates the Sharon > Statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1962 - The Beatles record their debut single, > > > Love Me > > > > > Do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1965 - The 1st Cavalry Division of the United > > > States > > > > > Army > > > > > > > > > arrives > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1973......US backed coup in in Chile headed > by > > > > > General > > > > > > > > > Augusto > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinochet topples the democratically elected > > > President > > > > > > > > > Salvador > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allende. Pinochet remains in power for almost > 17 > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1981 - The Pee-wee Herman Show airs as a > special > > > on > > > > > HBO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987 - 9-1-1 Emergency Number Day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990 - President George H. W. Bush delivers a > > > > > nationally > > > > > > > > > > > televised > > > > > > > > > > > > > speech in which he threatens the use of force > to > > > > > remove > > > > > > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > > > > > > soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently > > > > > invaded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth Starr > sends a > > > > > report > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congress accusing President Bill Clinton of > 11 > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > > impeachable > > > > > > > > > > > > > offenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 - Activists protest against the World > > > Economic > > > > > Forum > > > > > > > > > meeting > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2004 - Petros VII, the (Greek Orthodox) > Patriarch > > > of > > > > > > > > > Alexandria > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > his company are killed in an unexplained > > > helicopter > > > > > crash > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mount Athos, Greece. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2005 - The State of Israel officially > declares an > > > end > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > military > > > > > > > > > > > > > rule in the Gaza Strip after 38 years of > > > occupation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 - ?????????????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pps....some of these were cheerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........Morely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again: war is the father of all things. no > news > > > is > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > news. you > > > > > > > > > > > > can't step into the same river twice. it's all > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > river. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's no place like home: home is where the > > > heart > > > > > is. > > > > > > > stay > > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > palindrome. all passion is a departure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ heraclitus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what war? you are none other than war. The > Beatles > > > and > > > > > Pee- > > > > > > > Wee > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the Pinto are not war and they are not you. I am > > > > > > > home.......but > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > not blind.....and I dance to the beat of the > > > > > battle.....but I > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > have to like the tune......Love is everywhere and > > > > > everything > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > > heraclitus.....but loving and liking are not > mutualy > > > > > > > > > obtaining....or > > > > > > > > > > > let's 'like' killers, and child molesters, and > > > > > terrorists, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > terrorists against terrorists.......maybe it's > all > > > Love > > > > > but > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > say you like it as well, you'll find a hard time > > > finding > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > partner to > > > > > > > > > > > dance the 'Dance of Life' with you........even > from > > > the > > > > > alone > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Alone there are degrees and diseases of that > which is > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > likeable.......not even loveable though all part > of > > > Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....Kant.... who can't > buy > > > your > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kant, you're merely duty bound, and socially pinned > to > > > the > > > > > > > ground. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it all, love it all, here, now, because it's > here, > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serial killers and child molesters are mere > > > abstractions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but here, now, they are you and me and our > reactions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as unknown and unknowable as the next eternity, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ james jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this of course is why 1963, Buddhist monk Thich Quang > Duc > > > > > > > immolated > > > > > > > > > himself in downtown Saigon. Quang Duc was actually > > > protesting > > > > > > > > > religious persecution under the Diem(our pal) regime, > not > > > the > > > > > > > war. > > > > > > > > > Oher zen monks followed his example in protest to the > US > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > there, for many ears.......it was their enlightened > path > > > and > > > > > > > showing > > > > > > > > > of how much the liked the whole shebang. Some guys > found > > > > > > > vietnamese > > > > > > > > > dope a truer form of enjoying the groovy beauty of > napalm > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > music to the ears of heavy artillery.....say! Baghdad > and > > > > > Beirut > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > be Fun Fun Fun these days.......like them California > > > Girls > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > wish they all could be, but aren't, but we can > love 'em > > > and > > > > > > > like 'em > > > > > > > > > just the same, cause hell on earth they're all just > > > > > > > > > abstractions.....like when Bubba got blown away, and > > > melted > > > > > tent > > > > > > > > > plastic fell on your arm in the jungle melees....it's > all > > > > > just a > > > > > > > > > dream and a lovely one at that. screw duty........I'm > not > > > > > bound > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > duty at my age nor anymore obliged.....but I am bound > by > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > in the world, no matter how philosophically cute or > sweet > > > I > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > like to come off......for you it seems different, and > > > that's > > > > > OK > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > me....but I don't think it's me that's missing > something > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're certainly missing my vibe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rageman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get out a' the cage, man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you in nam now cruizin in a san pan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or blasten by du in iraq or lebanon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, so, for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here, now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tis just a abstraction, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no real action, man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all rage and horror > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here towing the company line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pulled by the media motor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's no way around the worst > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life has to offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'cept through it in love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or forever relive your reSistence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to love -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thAt's the rEal terRor -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my white > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wide flying dove > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ buddha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not rage sky.........and you are no buddha nor > christ. I > > > > > know > > > > > > > it's be here now and that is what you got....but if your > love > > > is > > > > > > > dying a painful death in a hospital across town, do you > have > > > some > > > > > > > friends over for a few cocktails and laughs and a > swinngin' > > > good > > > > > > > time? and sit groovin' to the fact that at the time you > > > aren't at > > > > > the > > > > > > > bedside of anguish in that hospital where the love of > your > > > life > > > > > goes > > > > > > > raging into that good night. If you answer yes to that > one., > > > my > > > > > rage > > > > > > > may very well be engendered. for someone who professes > all > > > you > > > > > need > > > > > > > is love, at times you present a cold cold heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mortal coil of buddhas > > > everywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cold coiled cobra > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not > > > > > > > > > > > > and buddha and christ > > > > > > > > > > > > are your knot > > > > > > > > > > > > for here and now > > > > > > > > > > > > they're all but forgot > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is all we've got > > > > > > > > > > > > and my answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > kind sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > is YeS, > > > > > > > > > > > > i celebrate hell and high water > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter > > > > > > > > > > > > what others say 's the matter > > > > > > > > > > > > 's all all all sacred and acrid > > > > > > > > > > > > or it's nothing at all > > > > > > > > > > > > and my love today > > > > > > > > > > > > will simply fall > > > > > > > > > > > > with the banquet tray > > > > > > > > > > > > if i let time have such sway > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm here forever > > > > > > > > > > > > without your hot/cold fever > > > > > > > > > > > > my heart is warm > > > > > > > > > > > > most open > > > > > > > > > > > > to my soul so > > > > > > > > > > > > to relieve and receive her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ christ and the buddha disbeliever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this does not answer anything.......and why believe in love? > what > > > > > does 'love' have that every other thing doesn't. frankly on a > > > loftier > > > > > level(metaphoric usage) than you dwell 'That' which 'IS', is > > > > > completely indiferent to anything.....including love....that > is > > > just > > > > > more crap in the Final, First and Ever Incidence. just more > grist > > > for > > > > > the mill to be ground into Nothing through which, by which > and > > > from > > > > > whence it emerges. Love signifies absolutely nothing, and > saying > > > that > > > > > love is what is ...is just more delusion. feelings of warmth > and > > > > > receptiveness, just like thoughts of sacredness and profanity > > > > > devotions to christ and buddha are the same > same...disbelieving > > > in > > > > > love as well as buddha and christ, I remain and serve that > > > nothing in > > > > > everything and laugh hardily at that which does or does not. > and > > > > > while I play the game, I play as if it mattered, yet have ken > > > without > > > > > knowing that it's all for naught, not, and is knotted with > > > illusions > > > > > of granduer for all and sundry. And don't feel relieved (of > > > what?) > > > > > nor wait to receive....it's not forthcoming, it is already > the > > > case. > > > > > without soul or warmth, rage or heat, without you or me, or > they > > > or > > > > > that, or even 'it' itself......no words, no feelings, no > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > the blind to the blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't know what you believe, that's for sure........ > > > > > > > > > this is called 'psychological projection' a common problem among > > > those who know not what they believe. I on the other hand, have > > > stated in a direct manner that I believe in nothing. > > > > > > > and there's nothing " wrong " with that, either. > > > > > > > > > natch. > > > > > > > > > > but if everything and everyone is blind, then, everyone is > also > > > > enlightened. that's as obvious as all your logic. is your > logic. > > > > > > > > > say what!.....by who's logic does this hold? if everyone on an > island > > > is black skinned, then they are also white skinned is a statement > > > that can only be considered 'obvious' by the most befuddled and > wooly- > > > minded sort of thinking or thinker. > > > > > > > > > > so, you call yourself and others blind because, it is you who > > > does, > > > > in fact, believe yourself to be blind. > > > > > > > > > I reiterate.....I believe nothing. > > > > > > > > > > i only say that you don't know what you believe because you > will say > > > > and believe something completely different -- in your very own > > > opinion > > > > -- any minute, now. > > > > > > > > > this seems to be your problem. > > > > > > > > > > whereas i can, in contrast, say and mean what i say, for more > than a > > > > few minutes. is that good? > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'good'. and you seem to hold a lofty opinion of > > > yourself and thinking patterns, if you think your thoughts on any > > > particular pattern or linear feature of thought is either good or > bad. > > > > > > > > > > only if in my own opinion, not in yours, i believe it to be > good. > > > for > > > > me, it's good. you in contrast, are yourself saying that what > you > > > > belleve is not good: > > > > > > > > > where in the above post or on this green earth do I say that. > your > > > disingenuous attempt at putting words in my mouth or thoughts in > my > > > words that are not even found in any sort of context, relative to > > > your statement here, is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > so, i'm merely taking you for your own word. > > > > > > > > > don't take me at anything. don't believe anything. > > > > > > > > > > ~ the enlightened to the enlightened > > > > > > > > > delusional. > > > > > > > > > if anyone needed their ass kicked by judi, you do > > > > ~ judi > > > nah....judi loved my butt, that was the bit that bag bought by and > bye, and why she kicked it off the ranch........she bit the bit, but > bit my butt, by being bad because the bull beyond the base of the > bitch's brain baffled beauty and the beast she became.....it took > balls I tell ya. brahma bull balls. beware the boohoo of the > ballyhooed broad, it's voodoo and hoodoo and is her total fraud. > > buckaroo bob > ......the parrot's at the wheel, the ship's off its moorings, the anchor's lost and the rudder's broken.....bob raves on......and the band is gone........ ~ anybody can tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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