[ring ring] Who is the mirror? / Who is the real Self?

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote:

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> > Hi Marc,

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> > you say that the mirror is not the things it reflects,

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> yes....the mirror is necessary that things are reflected....but the

> mirror isn't this things...

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> but this things ...are....because mirror is

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> without mirror....no things.....

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> > in other words,

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> > The real self is not the things it reflects,

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> the real self is not this " names and forms " ....coming and going....

> ...appearing on the mirror.....changing all the time.....without rest

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> > is this your final viewpoint/decision?

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> this is my viewpoint....

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> a " viewpoint " can't realy be a " decision " .....

> a decision would mean a mind/intellect ....viewpoint/concept....

> valuable....for some moments of time....

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> real viewpoints....happen.....at times of a peaceful mind....

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> > Or can we twist your viewpoint of the mirror around into the

> exact opposite?

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> > The exact opposite would be that the mirror is all things it

> reflects,

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> > or the real self is all things it reflects?

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> so you mean...that all this forms and names.....coming and going.....

> is the real self?

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> if this would be the case.....then you would need

> to " know/see/follow/be... " all this things.....outside there

> in order to " see " the real self......

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> yes...this is a complete opposite " viewpoint " .....

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> > What do you think?

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> i think that you are trapped in the appearing things......coming and

> going.....

> taking them for the " real self " .......

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> (there are even some entities existing....who take their little ego-

> mind...for the real Self)

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> Marc

 

 

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