[ring ring] Who is the mirror? / Who is the real Self?

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> " no one in the dream had been aware of my Oneness with

> them "

>

> " it's realy fantastic this experience.....isn't it " ?

>

>

> Hi Marc, you think it's fantastic,

> I think it's frustrating.

>

> Lulu

 

do u have an effort index up yet?

 

buy one if you don't

 

set it up in your room

 

look at it while you write

 

notice how each word changes

 

with the index (measured in self units) as it points up or down

 

effortlessness: One Self Unite

 

effortfulness: many self units

 

~*~

[Guest guest]

" from your saying....that would mean speaking with

yourself... and how interesting is that...really ?

and to your second question...this you that might know

such an entity...would as well be yourself...right " ?

....iietsa

 

 

Hi iietsa,

 

Speaking with your real self can be very interesting,

....

 

... as long as the entity you are speaking with,

....

 

... your real self, ...

 

... doesn't occupy, ... the same body, ... you

occupy.

 

 

 

 

 

... if you are my real, unlimited self, ...

 

... and if I am your real, unlimited self, ...

 

... than we are both, ... the same ... real, ...

unlimited ... self.

 

 

Than we can speak with each other, .... from real

self, ... to real self.

 

 

But, if the entity, ... we are talking to, ...

occupies the same body we do, ... than how are we

going to speak with that entity, we could look in the

mirror and say: ...

 

.... " Hi imaginery self! "

 

The imaginery self in the mirror might say: ...

 

... " Hi, I am not your imaginery self, ...

 

... I am your real self! "

 

You would say: ...

 

... " No, you are my imaginery self, I am your real

self! How are you!? "

 

And the imaginery self in your mirror might say: ...

 

 

... " I'm FINE ... THANKS, but I'm ... NOT ... your

imaginery self, .... I'm your real self, ... YOU are

my imaginery self! "

 

You would say: ...

 

" No, no, NO! You've got it all backwards! You are

not my imaginery self, I am your real self! I mean, I

am your REAL self, ... you are my imaginery self! "

 

And the imaginery self in your mirror would say: ...

 

... " I got it backwards? You have it backwards! You

are my imaginery self, I am YOUR real self, get it, I

exist, you DON'T, I am real, you are not, you are not

real, you don't exist, you don't exist, you don't

exist, you don't exist, you don't exist! YOU DON'T

EXIST! Did you HEAR ME! "

 

And you would say, ... :

 

.... " How can you see things just so completely

reversed?! I am your real self, I exist, I am real,

you are not, you don't exist, I exist. "

 

And your imaginery self would say: ...

 

... " Wrong, wrong, WRONG AGAIN, I am real, you are

NOT. End of Discussion. "

 

And you would say: ...

 

... " Can you proof that you are real and that I am

not " ?

 

And your imaginery self would say: ...

 

... " Nothing is easier than that, when I turn off the

light, you vanish immidiately, you disappear into

nothingness. "

 

And you would say: ...

 

... " But how can I disappear into nothingness if I

don't exist? Beside you can't turn off the light

without my approval, I simply won't let you. "

 

And your imaginery self would say: ...

 

... " Of course I can, anytime I want " .

 

And you would say: ...

 

... " Ok, this time you win, ... you are real, ...

and I'm not. Turn off the lights now. "

 

And the imaginery self would say: ...

 

... " Hello, are you still there " ?

 

And you would say: ...

 

" Yes, I AM! "

 

And your imaginery self would say: ...

 

... " Oh, one last question, ...

 

.... " To my real self, in the mirror, ...

 

 

... I can't see in the dark,

 

... who are you and how do you look? ...