[ring ring] Who is the mirror? / Who is the real Self?

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> " from your saying....that would mean speaking with

> yourself... and how interesting is that...really ?

> and to your second question...this you that might know

> such an entity...would as well be yourself...right " ?

> ...iietsa

>

>

> Hi iietsa,

>

> Speaking with your real self can be very interesting,

> ...

>

> ... as long as the entity you are speaking with,

> ...

>

> ... your real self, ...

>

> ... doesn't occupy, ... the same body, ... you

> occupy.

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>

>

>

>

> ... if you are my real, unlimited self, ...

>

> ... and if I am your real, unlimited self, ...

>

> ... than we are both, ... the same ... real, ...

> unlimited ... self.

>

>

> Than we can speak with each other, .... from real

> self, ... to real self.

>

>

> But, if the entity, ... we are talking to, ...

> occupies the same body we do, ... than how are we

> going to speak with that entity, we could look in the

> mirror and say: ...

>

> ... " Hi imaginery self! "

>

> The imaginery self in the mirror might say: ...

>

> ... " Hi, I am not your imaginery self, ...

>

> ... I am your real self! "

>

> You would say: ...

>

> ... " No, you are my imaginery self, I am your real

> self! How are you!? "

>

> And the imaginery self in your mirror might say: ...

>

>

> ... " I'm FINE ... THANKS, but I'm ... NOT ... your

> imaginery self, .... I'm your real self, ... YOU are

> my imaginery self! "

>

> You would say: ...

>

> " No, no, NO! You've got it all backwards! You are

> not my imaginery self, I am your real self! I mean, I

> am your REAL self, ... you are my imaginery self! "

>

> And the imaginery self in your mirror would say: ...

>

> ... " I got it backwards? You have it backwards! You

> are my imaginery self, I am YOUR real self, get it, I

> exist, you DON'T, I am real, you are not, you are not

> real, you don't exist, you don't exist, you don't

> exist, you don't exist, you don't exist! YOU DON'T

> EXIST! Did you HEAR ME! "

>

> And you would say, ... :

>

> .... " How can you see things just so completely

> reversed?! I am your real self, I exist, I am real,

> you are not, you don't exist, I exist. "

>

> And your imaginery self would say: ...

>

> ... " Wrong, wrong, WRONG AGAIN, I am real, you are

> NOT. End of Discussion. "

>

> And you would say: ...

>

> ... " Can you proof that you are real and that I am

> not " ?

>

> And your imaginery self would say: ...

>

> ... " Nothing is easier than that, when I turn off the

> light, you vanish immidiately, you disappear into

> nothingness. "

>

> And you would say: ...

>

> ... " But how can I disappear into nothingness if I

> don't exist? Beside you can't turn off the light

> without my approval, I simply won't let you. "

>

> And your imaginery self would say: ...

>

> ... " Of course I can, anytime I want " .

>

> And you would say: ...

>

> ... " Ok, this time you win, ... you are real, ...

> and I'm not. Turn off the lights now. "

>

> And the imaginery self would say: ...

>

> ... " Hello, are you still there " ?

>

> And you would say: ...

>

> " Yes, I AM! "

>

> And your imaginery self would say: ...

>

> ... " Oh, one last question, ...

>

> .... " To my real self, in the mirror, ...

>

>

> ... I can't see in the dark,

>

> ... who are you and how do you look? ...

>

who am I ?...I am I...

how do I look ?...I do not do anything...there is simply looking...

and this looking or seeing or listening or openness or whatever

name...is of itself the natural (state)...

and all things that is (or comes and goes if you like)...is in this

looking...

....iietsa