[ring ring] Who is the mirror? / Who is the real Self?

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> >

> > " from your saying....that would mean speaking with

> > yourself... and how interesting is that...really ?

> > and to your second question...this you that might know

> > such an entity...would as well be yourself...right " ?

> > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> > Hi iietsa,

> >

> > Speaking with your real self can be very interesting,

> > ...

> >

> > ... as long as the entity you are speaking with,

> > ...

> >

> > ... your real self, ...

> >

> > ... doesn't occupy, ... the same body, ... you

> > occupy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ... if you are my real, unlimited self, ...

> >

> > ... and if I am your real, unlimited self, ...

> >

> > ... than we are both, ... the same ... real, ...

> > unlimited ... self.

> >

> >

> > Than we can speak with each other, .... from real

> > self, ... to real self.

> >

> >

> > But, if the entity, ... we are talking to, ...

> > occupies the same body we do, ... than how are we

> > going to speak with that entity, we could look in the

> > mirror and say: ...

> >

> > ... " Hi imaginery self! "

> >

> > The imaginery self in the mirror might say: ...

> >

> > ... " Hi, I am not your imaginery self, ...

> >

> > ... I am your real self! "

> >

> > You would say: ...

> >

> > ... " No, you are my imaginery self, I am your real

> > self! How are you!? "

> >

> > And the imaginery self in your mirror might say: ...

> >

> >

> > ... " I'm FINE ... THANKS, but I'm ... NOT ... your

> > imaginery self, .... I'm your real self, ... YOU are

> > my imaginery self! "

> >

> > You would say: ...

> >

> > " No, no, NO! You've got it all backwards! You are

> > not my imaginery self, I am your real self! I mean, I

> > am your REAL self, ... you are my imaginery self! "

> >

> > And the imaginery self in your mirror would say: ...

> >

> > ... " I got it backwards? You have it backwards! You

> > are my imaginery self, I am YOUR real self, get it, I

> > exist, you DON'T, I am real, you are not, you are not

> > real, you don't exist, you don't exist, you don't

> > exist, you don't exist, you don't exist! YOU DON'T

> > EXIST! Did you HEAR ME! "

> >

> > And you would say, ... :

> >

> > .... " How can you see things just so completely

> > reversed?! I am your real self, I exist, I am real,

> > you are not, you don't exist, I exist. "

> >

> > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> >

> > ... " Wrong, wrong, WRONG AGAIN, I am real, you are

> > NOT. End of Discussion. "

> >

> > And you would say: ...

> >

> > ... " Can you proof that you are real and that I am

> > not " ?

> >

> > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> >

> > ... " Nothing is easier than that, when I turn off the

> > light, you vanish immidiately, you disappear into

> > nothingness. "

> >

> > And you would say: ...

> >

> > ... " But how can I disappear into nothingness if I

> > don't exist? Beside you can't turn off the light

> > without my approval, I simply won't let you. "

> >

> > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> >

> > ... " Of course I can, anytime I want " .

> >

> > And you would say: ...

> >

> > ... " Ok, this time you win, ... you are real, ...

> > and I'm not. Turn off the lights now. "

> >

> > And the imaginery self would say: ...

> >

> > ... " Hello, are you still there " ?

> >

> > And you would say: ...

> >

> > " Yes, I AM! "

> >

> > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> >

> > ... " Oh, one last question, ...

> >

> > .... " To my real self, in the mirror, ...

> >

> >

> > ... I can't see in the dark,

> >

> > ... who are you and how do you look? ...

> >

> who am I ?...I am I...

> how do I look ?...I do not do anything...there is simply looking...

> and this looking or seeing or listening or openness or whatever

> name...is of itself the natural (state)...

> and all things that is (or comes and goes if you like)...is in this

> looking...

> ...iietsa

>

 

yes

 

and it

 

the answer

 

can be summarized as

 

nothing more or less than

 

 

 

 

 

 

?

 

 

 

 

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