[ring ring] Who is the mirror? / Who is the real Self?

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > " from your saying....that would mean speaking with

> > > yourself... and how interesting is that...really ?

> > > and to your second question...this you that might know

> > > such an entity...would as well be yourself...right " ?

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi iietsa,

> > >

> > > Speaking with your real self can be very interesting,

> > > ...

> > >

> > > ... as long as the entity you are speaking with,

> > > ...

> > >

> > > ... your real self, ...

> > >

> > > ... doesn't occupy, ... the same body, ... you

> > > occupy.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ... if you are my real, unlimited self, ...

> > >

> > > ... and if I am your real, unlimited self, ...

> > >

> > > ... than we are both, ... the same ... real, ...

> > > unlimited ... self.

> > >

> > >

> > > Than we can speak with each other, .... from real

> > > self, ... to real self.

> > >

> > >

> > > But, if the entity, ... we are talking to, ...

> > > occupies the same body we do, ... than how are we

> > > going to speak with that entity, we could look in the

> > > mirror and say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Hi imaginery self! "

> > >

> > > The imaginery self in the mirror might say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Hi, I am not your imaginery self, ...

> > >

> > > ... I am your real self! "

> > >

> > > You would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " No, you are my imaginery self, I am your real

> > > self! How are you!? "

> > >

> > > And the imaginery self in your mirror might say: ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ... " I'm FINE ... THANKS, but I'm ... NOT ... your

> > > imaginery self, .... I'm your real self, ... YOU are

> > > my imaginery self! "

> > >

> > > You would say: ...

> > >

> > > " No, no, NO! You've got it all backwards! You are

> > > not my imaginery self, I am your real self! I mean, I

> > > am your REAL self, ... you are my imaginery self! "

> > >

> > > And the imaginery self in your mirror would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " I got it backwards? You have it backwards! You

> > > are my imaginery self, I am YOUR real self, get it, I

> > > exist, you DON'T, I am real, you are not, you are not

> > > real, you don't exist, you don't exist, you don't

> > > exist, you don't exist, you don't exist! YOU DON'T

> > > EXIST! Did you HEAR ME! "

> > >

> > > And you would say, ... :

> > >

> > > .... " How can you see things just so completely

> > > reversed?! I am your real self, I exist, I am real,

> > > you are not, you don't exist, I exist. "

> > >

> > > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Wrong, wrong, WRONG AGAIN, I am real, you are

> > > NOT. End of Discussion. "

> > >

> > > And you would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Can you proof that you are real and that I am

> > > not " ?

> > >

> > > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Nothing is easier than that, when I turn off the

> > > light, you vanish immidiately, you disappear into

> > > nothingness. "

> > >

> > > And you would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " But how can I disappear into nothingness if I

> > > don't exist? Beside you can't turn off the light

> > > without my approval, I simply won't let you. "

> > >

> > > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Of course I can, anytime I want " .

> > >

> > > And you would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Ok, this time you win, ... you are real, ...

> > > and I'm not. Turn off the lights now. "

> > >

> > > And the imaginery self would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Hello, are you still there " ?

> > >

> > > And you would say: ...

> > >

> > > " Yes, I AM! "

> > >

> > > And your imaginery self would say: ...

> > >

> > > ... " Oh, one last question, ...

> > >

> > > .... " To my real self, in the mirror, ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ... I can't see in the dark,

> > >

> > > ... who are you and how do you look? ...

> > >

> > who am I ?...I am I...

> > how do I look ?...I do not do anything...there is simply

looking...

> > and this looking or seeing or listening or openness or whatever

> > name...is of itself the natural (state)...

> > and all things that is (or comes and goes if you like)...is in

this

> > looking...

> > ...iietsa

> >

>

> yes

>

> and it

>

> the answer

>

> can be summarized as

>

> nothing more or less than

?

>

>

>

>

> (the ear, open, available, ever present, never closed, eternal)

>

>

> ~*~

>

yes...and this listening is not only located in the ear...its all

over...

....iietsa